Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[Bronadian]

I just want to remind everyone that the site's in this mess because a certain admin created NamiComi as a side hustle and used Mangadex to drive traffic to it.

It gets difficult to dance around legality when you throw OpSec to the wind for a few bucks.

 

[WhiteRaven_OfTheValley]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.


The stray cat girl series contained a high-school girl, which was ambiguous enough to be included. I'm not aware of any official content confirming her as over 18 and the scanlator did not provide any when I spoke to them.



Please see:


I won't bother with further "what about x series" replies.


If you believe there is anything wrong with what you quoted, spell it out. I don't mind replying if people are being civil, but if you're just gonna vaguepost and insult me you're just getting banned.


MD is a non-profit project, but the costs are still running. We gotta do what we gotta do. And as stated back in the takedown FAQ, one of the reasons for coming under NC management was due to the legal framework to handle claims like these.


Yes, it was uncalled for. I and several staff members wish she hadn't said that. I can't change the past, you can choose to believe in her apology or not. She's not getting demoted or removed over it. I'm not mad about it, but I think it's understandable that other people are. The choice to remove the content was unrelated to her or any staff member's personal opinion of the content.


Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

This isn't making anything better, if not adding more napalm to the fire.

 

[DavidianMillerian]

I just want to remind everyone that the site's in this mess because a certain admin created NamiComi as a side hustle and used Mangadex to drive traffic to it.

Alright. Show me your evidence.

And no, EtherealNeko being from NamiComi doesn't count as evidence.

 

[bep]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.

Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

This is interesting, last I checked knowingly hosting, distributing, and promoting pirated content is illegal in those areas and will have you taken to court.
Can you please tell us who we need to contact in order to help you guys remove all the illicit and illegal material from the site? Wouldn't want you guys to get fined and sent to prison for breaking IP laws.

 

[hibikiyamada]

It's extremely telling that, despite all the moderator/staff responses, we still have no idea who's requesting these removals and what's being planned for when they eventually order for more removals to be done. How much content needs to be deleted off the platform before it's too much? Sure it's case-by-case, but the reasons behind said removals can be applied to the vast majority of the works available on the site. Why is this point constantly being ignored? This is a website that exists solely due to the support that its users have given, what is with the lack of transparency?

Just recently, Brown Dust 2 (a gacha game) almost had to censor their entire game globally just because Germany decided to go after them for the content in their game. You know what they did after severe backlash? They just censored the offending aspects of the game for users located in Germany. What's stopping the team from just making it so that the removed works just can't be viewed by users within the country that's apparently pressuring you whilst allowing everyone else access to the content?

Edit: If you then say "it violates our policy so those works wouldn't be allowed anyway" then you'd have to remove 80% of the content available on the platform.

 

[KYsGzuFqJMEmtZZQeubX]

You want compliance? Bring back our ability to delete our MangaDex account, you're not in compliance with the GDPR.

 

[hatsuka]

This administration wants to be Fakku/CR so bad but they're nowhere near as competent as them.

Being less competent than CR actually quite an achievements if you ask me.

 

[Pauan]

This is interesting, last I checked knowingly hosting, distributing, and promoting pirated content is illegal in those areas and will have you taken to court.
Can you please tell us who we need to contact in order to help you guys remove all the illicit and illegal material from the site? Wouldn't want you guys to get fined and sent to prison for breaking IP laws.

Since we are all such upstanding citizens who care so much about the law, I suggest we should make reports to the UK police about the scandalous illicit activity on this site.

And because we are very morally righteous, we should make the police's job easier by providing them with the MangaDex company registration in the UK, including all legal names, so the police can solve this issue as quickly as possible.

 

[BestBoy]

I also didn't ask anything like "what about X series"

I think that was for the quote above yours.

 

[Straif_Sitri]

It's extremely telling that, despite all the moderator/staff responses, we still have no idea who's requesting these removals and what's being planned for when they eventually order for more removals to be done. How much content needs to be deleted off the platform before it's too much? Sure it's case-by-case, but the reasons behind said removals can be applied to the vast majority of the works available on the site. Why is this point constantly being ignored? This is a website that exists solely due to the support that its users have given, what is with the lack of transparency?

Just recently, Brown Dust 2 (a gacha game) almost had to censor their entire game globally just because Germany decided to go after them for the content in their game. You know what they did after severe backlash? They just censored the offending aspects of the game for users located in Germany. What's stopping the team from just making it so that the removed works just can't be viewed by users within the country that's apparently pressuring you whilst allowing everyone else access to the content?

noones requesting the removals its the staff wanting to follow and enforce EU regulations and laws on a world scale and they are saying they would rather do that than Ban everyone not in the EU(at this point not sure it matters anymore), and as for how much content if what has been said is true it is ANY manga of ANY rating that dipicts ANYONE that is not explicitly stated to be 18+ in any form of sexual situation

 

[seekermoc]

I just want to remind everyone that the site's in this mess because a certain admin created NamiComi as a side hustle and used Mangadex to drive traffic to it.

It gets difficult to dance around legality when you throw OpSec to the wind for a few bucks.

I suspect this may be the case, or at least close to the truth, especially given how vague any official information coming from the MD mods is on the nature of the MD / NamiComi relationship.

But it's all speculation without evidence. If you actually know anything, please share.

 

[sorawild]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.

"Its not illegal in the US, most of Europe, all of South America, and most of Asia, but its illegal in a few retarded anglo countries and those are the only people who matter."

 

[Garyk76]

Pedoshit is beyond cringe but MangaDex going more and more the Crunchyroll route is very sad.
Thankfully there are other sites

You're part of the problem

 

[bep]

Since we are all such upstanding citizens who care so much about the law, I suggest we should make reports to the UK police about the scandalous illicit activity on this site.

And because we are very morally righteous, we should make the police's job easier by providing them with the MangaDex company registration in the UK, including all legal names, so the police can solve this issue as quickly as possible.

I believe people on twitter and discord are also doing that, while also contacting various KR and JP companies (and in some cases if they have a twitter account the creator directly) who are having their IP stolen and hosted here.
After all, it's about "laws and compliance".
It's the duty of upstanding citizens to work together and make sure laws are followed!

 

[aunony]

Next on MangaDex:
Level 9 Reached! I Reincarnated as the Admin Who Sold Out Everyone… But the Site Lives On! Even if there's no content left, at least the server didn't die!

 

[Garyk76]

Stop being weird

Stop being a wuss

 

[Xnot]

This doesn't answer any questions, and seems to be intentionally evasive to downright dismissive of honest user questions.

Sorry if it seemed that way.

Why does it matter if it's illegal in the UK, CAN, AUS? This is a US-based site operating under US laws (according to the site terms). Why does it matter whether you can "operate" in those countries, and what does "operate" even mean? Why not just host servers literally anywhere else in the world where there's no problem, and let those countries decide if they want to ban MD IPs like most of the rest of Europe already has?

Can't answer that, partially because I'm not involved with legal or infra-level decisions.

Why does MD need NamiComi to handle takedown requests? Why of all the other manga hosts was NamiComi chosen? Why had nobody even heard of NamiComi before they took over MD? What relationship is there between MD admins and NamiComi ownership? Is this whole issue because MD needs to be "clean" so it can transition to a for-profit business?

Because as a bunch of volunteers with no legal training, we were not equipped to deal with the extremely high number of takedown requests that happened at the time. We some people at NC and had previously collaborated.

I also didn't ask anything like "what about X series" and any attempts to frame it as such are disingenuous. My question is "what about literally half of MD content that could fall under these rules," which is a very relevant question that NEEDS to be answered.

That was mostly aimed at the dozens of other people asking the same shit. The answer is that we have looked at what needs to be actioned it and that's that.

 

[Aya]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.

I'd just block those titles in those jurisdictions by requiring users to properly tag the series or chapters as loli/shota, while ensuring it doesn't get added to series where it's not a major theme. So Chichi Chichi would have it but not Maiddragon. Can never implement this perfectly, but can do a beset effort.

Surprised more sites like Danbooru/E-H don't do it, but I've seen it in a few places

 

[dmy96]

I'd just block those titles in those jurisdictions by requiring users to properly tag the series or chapters as loli/shota, while ensuring it doesn't get added to series where it's not a major theme. So Chichi Chichi would have it but not Maiddragon. Can never implement this perfectly, but can do a beset effort.

Surprised more sites like Danbooru/E-H don't do it, but I've seen it in a few places

EH actually did it with limited application. I remember few years back there a 4chan discussion on this. Some titles are actually region locked. But that is probably test case and not fully implemented.

 

[hibikiyamada]

That was mostly aimed at the dozens of other people asking the same shit. The answer is that we have looked at what needs to be actioned it and that's that.

Okay, can you be clear as to how the decision to remove said works ended up being the final solution? Were there other options suggested before this solution was decided upon?