Mannen D-rank no Chuunen Boukensha, Yotta Ikioi de Densetsu no Ken wo Hikkonuku - Vol. 3 Ch. 14 - Krusche Joins!

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@Giga There are several points in your post I have to disagree with, so let me make a small list:
1. Small, well-shaped breasts are not an oxymoron. The more weight breasts have, the faster they sag for two reasons: first, more weight pulls on Cooper's ligaments, and second, bigger breasts are so big because of fat tissue, not gland tissue, which in turn makes breast's structure less stable. So the bigger breasts a girl has, the less likely she is to have a good shape of breasts and earlier they lose that shape, most unfortunate girls never keeping it past 14, especially when they gain and lose weight often.
2. You can see Krush's tits on page 9. What doubt are you speaking about?
3. Said butt is also feminine, the very moment the butt is shown, the angle at which it is placed is physically impossible for a male. It's not the width of a pelvis, it's the angle of hip joints.
4. Yes, I find the whole "draw a girl and call it a trap" thing ridiculous. Hell, even often-mentioned Alphonso is most often drawn as a girl and only claimed to be a guy. Ridiculous!

By the way, I think I understand your frustration since subathletic constitution often gets called androgynous, but that's not what actually makes it attractive as far as I know. It's more that people, protagonist included, like active, fit, healthy girls. Of course, I agree that a healthy fat tissue on thighs is much more attractive for evolutionary reasons, though.
 
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@Morsealworth: Then I'll respond to each point individually.

1. Ignoring the subjectivity in this (that's what makes it fun, frankly), I assert that they are. They can't be well shaped because they haven't developed enough to take much shape in the first place. With such breasts, you get more ribcage than breast; the breasts themselves are, in such a case, an afterthought on the chest of such an ill-fated woman. Regarding sagging, don't think that it can't happen to small breasts as well--volume and mass are only two factors that contribute to the phenomenon. Such a thing is ultimately left up to genetics and age, with factors such as physical activity and weight fluctuation (as you said) being subordinate. Once it does happen, they end up no better than a sagging pair of large breasts--nothing you'd want to look at. Before that, however, there's much to see, make contact with (in various ways, and of course their natural movement. Speaking of which, indeed--it's that adipose tissue that gives breasts their characteristic bounciness and jiggle; small breasts have far less of it, and thus can only exhibit a poor imitation of the aforementioned characteristics--at best. Small breasts simply cannot move appreciably by virtue of having little free mass against the wider pectoral muscles with which to do so.

I will also easily admit that breasts can grow large but also be poorly formed--that happens. But in the case of small breasts, they don't have the opportunity to be well formed because their small size only reflects a lack of femininity; and no, I do not take seriously the claims of the Itty-Bitty-Titty Committee: large, well-developed breasts are an unmistakable symbol of femininity--they do not manifest normally on any body other than a woman's. Small breasts are closer to the flat chest that is common to men and women. Speaking of, the main reason why there have been so many arguments in favor of small breasts--and almost always concurrent with adamant arguments against big ones--is an ongoing campaign against traditional femininity and ideas thereof (hence why a "girl" who looks like Krusche gets so much attention, frequently with increased antipathy toward a character who looks like Aria).

2. That image is exactly what I was referring to before. Her breasts, canonically, are small enough to convince the MC that she is just a male with a butt he considers pleasing to the eyes (in other words, likely, feminine); enough so that she is living in a male dorm. If they're that small, there's no way they should protrude through an undergarment and outer garment, beyond the sides of her ribcage, and at that that level on her ribcage, they way they're shown to do on that page. She would need much more mass in order to pull that off, and with that much more mass would come a significant forward protrusion--which Krusche does not exhibit, or else she'd not be able to pass as a male in the story nor create doubt in the minds of so many readers. Once again, by page 18, the artist abandons the bait and switches back to a featureless (minus the hip width) body.

3. The appearance of that butt is feminine, yes--but the anatomical feature isn't inherently feminine at all: a butt is something both men and women have, while a pair of large breasts are something that only manifests normally on women. In abnormal cases (such as the case that the author and artist are pretending applies to Krusche), you can find a man afflicted by Klinefelter syndrome, which can result in the development of a number of female traits--wide hips being one of them. That aside, the main reason for Krusche's butt to be depicted so prominently and exaggeratedly (for an alleged male) is to ensure the idea that "Krusche (possibly) is a girl". This can only be pulled off with that body part, not breasts, because the latter is inherently feminine.

4. I think, at this point, that it's the action of artists either attempting to project their own hidden homosexuality on those who view their art (in the case of male artists), or artists getting off on the idea of males looking lustfully upon actual other males (in the case of female artists/yaoi fans). It's gotten to the point at which a character can be drawn with every single patently female and feminine characteristic that exists, and the creator will turn around and say, "This is a male." It's not 100% relevant, but it's why I hate the BlazBlue character Mai Natsume: the form is perfectly attractive and adorable as far as females go, but the creator designed Natsume as originally male. Guilty Gear and BlazBlue always struck me as pretentiously countercultural/edgy, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was the author's dream of a perfectly successful MtF transsexual operation. Natsume's design is an absolute waste.

Frankly speaking, my frustration isn't with women developing masculine traits (considerable muscle development--even to the loss of feminine curves, short hair, adopting masculine fashion, attempting to adopt masculine behavior, et cetera) being considered androgynous, because that's what that is. My frustration comes from how a) properly feminine girls are somehow taking a backseat to these women that want to be something they are not and will never be (i.e., men), and b) if there is such a feminine girl, and she has large breasts, she will almost always play second fiddle either to a girl who's flat (the Shanaclone era was a blight upon anime/manga history, in retrospect), a girl who's androgynous as described above, or both--and the girl with diminished femininity will develop a considerable fanbase that will attempt to sacrifice the feminine girl on the altar of their lust for the mangirl. It even happens in stories in which the feminine girl is the main female character.
 
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@Giga I see your points, and I feel that if I try to refute 1 and 2, I'll get banned because I would need the pictures. On the matter of 3, however, I must say that there is nothing more feminine than well-shaped hips and thighs, and I absolutely refuse to accept your claim that big breasts are the only innately feminine characteristic.

Also, I must include the point of neoteny, but I don't want to take it too far to get accused of something completely untrue and irrelevant.

Let's just say that I now get your point, but still cannot agree for several reasons, main being the discrepancy in our prerequisite postulates on what constitutes a feminine body.
 
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@Morsealworth: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that large breasts are the only inherently feminine physical characteristic, I'm saying that they're one of the only external physical characteristics that're inherently feminine.

As for the rest, we can conclude there, if you wish.
 
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Fucking right next to an uninvolved party like that is a major faux pas. Just go outside. Or if you're that ballsy, ask the other person to give you some moments of privacy. Almost every high school or college student will understand and give you the space.

It's your fucking roommate, buddy. You'll need to keep cordial relations with him for at least a year. Don't involve him with no warning or chance of escape like that.

And no, the fucking in "fucking roomate" was for emphasis, not an injuction to try to do him too.

Although I fully expect you to try anyway.
 
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Ok, we know the trap is a girl and soon enough Lucas will learn that, but I found very disrespectul of Lucas and Aria to have sex in the same tent as Krusche, ok this will be downplayed since she'll be the next harem member and will slowly warm up to the idea of a threesome, but if this was a genuine guy without the whole androgynous gimmick he'd probably quit the party in the next day, I mean any guy with self respect would, and would bad mouth them for the rest of the students (rightfully so).

C'mon Lucas you should know better than to do mistakes like these. Either go do it outside of the tent or finish the quest, leave the school for a few hours with Aria, rent a room or go to the middle of the forest and then mate like a bunch of rabbits you are but never do that to a roommate without informing his/her beforehand (maybe he or she would give them a private space for a few hours).

Also this action of Aria raised a red flag, I mean the fact she's becoming more and more pervert will probably be good in the harem context because she will probably accept other women easily and maybe actively join a threesome or something with no drama attached.

But if she thought of Krusche as a guy and still was so insistent on banging right next to "him", either she was horny with the idea of being discovered by other people or she found Krusche attractive and was hoping that Krusche would do a threesome with them and this might a trigger for a more depraved comportament: NTR.
 
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