Maria no Danzai - Ch. 38 - The Truly Vulnerable.

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Imma be honest. I feel like Okaya could do better in a doujinshi with incest tag instead of being a cartoonishly evil villain in a revenge manga.
And then in the second part Maria enters and yuri NTRs his mom away from him.
AND THEN IN THE THIRD ACT OKAYA WILL BLACKMAIL MARIA INTO HAVING SEX BUT IT QUICKLY BECOMES AN INSTANT DOMLOSS FOR HIM
 
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See Maria while your right about yes maybe you could have tried to lead them into a better direktion lets be honest nah fuck them honestly althou ironic enough considering how nice a kid your son were he would probaly liked that outcome more. Well maybe everyone but Okaya fuck that guy actually
More importantly, none of those guys were even Maria's own children. It's up to the parents to make sure their own children are raised and taught to behave as a model citizen. Having those bullies turn out the way they are/were was definitely partially due to the parents' neglect of their upbringing, if not all of it. Those who were struggling at one point in their lifetime and finding a respected role model who helped them develop as a person far more than their parents could like Yuda has with Maria (except with a far more healthy and sane background) are very few and far between to the point of being miracles.

And sure, maybe there are good adults out there who are determined to help struggling kids find the right path to a morally good and successful future, even if it involves a little discipline that they weren't given enough of while growing up, if at all. If that's what they want to do in their life, more power to them, but in these times, there are walls that just cannot be overcome for those adults to help those troubled children (like they're already living with their neglectful/abusive biological parents under their legal custody), no matter how much they want to. They'd have to break a law or two to achieve those ends, but that would go against the very morals they're trying to enforce on them.

It's a tad unfortunate, but even if Maria did want to turn those bullies' lives around for the better, not only was there nothing she could do to make it happen, but they likely wouldn't accept her 'help', anyway, because their current lives were just too good to give up to redeem themselves and be morally good.
 
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i find it interesting that maria believes that she could have redeemed the bullies had she wanted to. personally,i don't think she could have. she's smart and resourceful as hell but there's absolutely no redemption for people that naturally shitty.
They were naturally shitty, yes, but not that shitty - just unruly
It was only after Okaya entered their lives that they became monsters; they could very well have led somewhat normal lives if he hadn't corrupted them and encouraged their worst impulses
 
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They were naturally shitty, yes, but not that shitty - just unruly
It was only after Okaya entered their lives that they became monsters; they could very well have led somewhat normal lives if he hadn't corrupted them and encouraged their worst impulses
i don't know,man...take that first guy for example: he could have just shook down any kid for money like a typical bully does,but he didn't instead,he exclusively targeted girls he knew wouldn't fight back and not only beat them but even went as far as to torture and rape them for blackmail. as far as i see it,his death and the brutality of it was 100% justified and that's because of the simple fact that he wasn't redeemable. there was nothing our homegirl could have done to make that kid think that what he did was bad and he should stop,even as he was begging for his life. somethings can not and should not be forgiven and these "bullies" (let's be real here: these are outright criminals) have long crossed that line between redeemable and irredeemable.
 
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i don't know,man...take that first guy for example: he could have just shook down any kid for money like a typical bully does,but he didn't instead,he exclusively targeted girls he knew wouldn't fight back and not only beat them but even went as far as to torture and rape them for blackmail. as far as i see it,his death and the brutality of it was 100% justified and that's because of the simple fact that he wasn't redeemable. there was nothing our homegirl could have done to make that kid think that what he did was bad and he should stop,even as he was begging for his life. somethings can not and should not be forgiven and these "bullies" (let's be real here: these are outright criminals) have long crossed that line between redeemable and irredeemable.
Unforgivable, yes, but he only started doing that shit after he met Okaya
 
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Unforgivable, yes, but he only started doing that shit after he met Okaya
and okaya is just as irredeemable as the rest of them. meeting and befriending a flat out psychopath isn't an excuse for the sheer brutality of what every one of them have done on their own.

even if maria did attempt to redeem them,there's nothing she could have possibly said or done that they wouldn't have just ignored. keep in mind that these people KILLED her son with absolutely no remorse or hesitation: some people are just bad by nature and this entire pack of psychos are simply that.
 
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and okaya is just as irredeemable as the rest of them. meeting and befriending a flat out psychopath isn't an excuse for the sheer brutality of what every one of them have done on their own.

even if maria did attempt to redeem them,there's nothing she could have possibly said or done that they wouldn't have just ignored. keep in mind that these people KILLED her son with absolutely no remorse or hesitation: some people are just bad by nature and this entire pack of psychos are simply that.
Oh no, Okaya is definitely irredeemable
But, again, while the rest were already messed up before Okaya, he's the main reason they became rotten to the core
If they had a proper role model looking after them, maybe they could've been salvaged
But now it's too late
 
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Oh no, Okaya is definitely irredeemable
But, again, while the rest were already messed up before Okaya, he's the main reason they became rotten to the core
If they had a proper role model looking after them, maybe they could've been salvaged
But now it's too late
i honestly don't think it would have helped. i'm willing to give the big angry one (i forget his name) a BIT more benefit of the doubt because he,at the very least had a redeemable quality (loyalty to his friends) and had actually suffered abuse in the past so it can be argued that he's a "hurt people,hurt people" kind of deal. the rest,though didn't even have that much so i don't think there was anything anyone could have done to teach them right from wrong because at the end of the day,they all just loved the power of it and that's the exact reason they followed okaya in the first place,even if he was the only person they were ever really afraid of.

it's akin to if a group of normal serial killers were to become joker henchmen: they are still monsters in their own right,they're just monsters under an even bigger monster.
 
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Look like someone here is new to revenge manga.
Is really tipical that the evil mastermind is some always a step ahead mastermind, and the revenger is someone with incredible skills at making traps and killing for some reason.
You should look at these mangas as something akin to an action movie where the protagonist is able to gun down on it's own an entire army. This is a genre dominated by rule of cool and over the top nonsense.
 

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