Mato Seihei no Slave - Vol. 16 Ch. 125 - Bell's Reward

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As you said it yourself, that's tests on SCENT/ODOR, not pheromones, they're not the same thing.
Let me quote the first thing on the article you linked "Many examples exist in animals but their role in humans remains uncertain since adults have no functioning vomeronasal organ". It's actually the same article I got my information from earlier.
The VNO is vestigial(if it still functions at all, it's up to debate) and still doesn't seem to play a role over any other human sense, including smell.

The results of all this studies are as I said: "I'm not saying they don't have effects on humans but from all the research done the modern human biology doesn't use them or use it on extremely low levels."
Studies on a lab don't show the reality of people socializing, ie. no one is smelling your armpits to know if you're a woman or if they're attracted to you, like other animals use pheromones for. The effects are minimal and mostly work for research.
And at least one of the other articles actually explicitly shows related function, like I said. The entire point of why that last article was included was in that last line you seem not to have read, either, so let me quote it for you: "I have, however, included it here in defense of human olfactory capability being strong enough to provide scent-based cues in general, even though we are far more oriented on visual and auditory stimuli."
 
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I check this manga occasionally, so I have a question for long time readers, is it worth it? Do they ever go all the way or it is always foreplay? Do they at least nut or is the guy always getting blue balled?
 
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i'm really impressed that the manga that's all about showing of the girls as much as it can would actually dare to actively scar some of the cast. normally these types of wounds just naturally heal magically somehow despite the scaring that they would leave and i don't think many would do that especially not to the main haroine (even if her wiskers don't stay)
 
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I check this manga occasionally, so I have a question for long time readers, is it worth it? Do they ever go all the way or it is always foreplay? Do they at least nut or is the guy always getting blue balled?
It's worth it , I really like it , but you do you , I can only vouch for myself. In particular the development and relations between the charachters are really good and interesting to me.Up until now it has been only hot sexy foreplay, or so it seems. If he nuts it is not shown "on screen" haha. But I believe that as the story progresses they will eventually have sex.
 
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So, after careful review, I have arrived on the questions: is the presence of the lead heroine getting weaker and is the cast getting too big?
The other female characters are great , but Kyouka is always around , she is Yuuki's main romantic interest, so she will always have more screen time than the others , it just happens to be Varvara Philipenko's arc right now, and also Bell's development, that is why they are receiving more attention. But the focal point of the story is Yuuki and Kyouka.
 
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Why do people take showers if sweat is this wonderful aphrodisiac that drives people crazy? It's because we have bacteria on our skin and when they come into contact with sweat, people start to stink.
If you never clean yourself you have other issue than working out... it's weird that you think that being covered in sweat will change the amount of bacterie you have on your body. And washing yourself will only remove a minimal amount of these.

Since you pulled the illogical, "but there are bacteries mixed in sweat." do you know that your hand and mouth have more bacteries than any other part of your body.
So you're saying that you did never and will never kiss anyone or shake hand with anyone? Since bacteria are dirty?

Studies on a lab don't show the reality of people socializing, ie. no one is smelling your armpits to know if you're a woman or if they're attracted to you, like other animals use pheromones for. The effects are minimal and mostly work for research.
Studies on lab are made to show the reality... All these studies are made to be as close as reality as possible, if it was not the case then no researsh on human sociology would be usefull. Same for all other research. Labs research recreate the environement they are research and constrol it to remove useless factor.
If their aim is to know if and how human are impacted by another's pheromone it's obvious that they would no do their experiment somewhere with car and other things that would ruin every mesurement.

Pheromone like hormone are used by all mammal and a lot of other class, but you're trying to say that human, who are similar to all other mammal species, are different only for this?
Most people who say "human dont produce pheromone" dont show researsh that back their claim, but only that it is because they say so.

If you look at human interaction you'll see that some comportment are similar to those who, for other species, are attributed to pheromones.
 
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And at least one of the other articles actually explicitly shows related function, like I said. The entire point of why that last article was included was in that last line you seem not to have read, either, so let me quote it for you: "I have, however, included it here in defense of human olfactory capability being strong enough to provide scent-based cues in general, even though we are far more oriented on visual and auditory stimuli."

You do realize that's exactly what I said, right?

If you never clean yourself you have other issue than working out... it's weird that you think that being covered in sweat will change the amount of bacterie you have on your body. And washing yourself will only remove a minimal amount of these.

Since you pulled the illogical, "but there are bacteries mixed in sweat." do you know that your hand and mouth have more bacteries than any other part of your body.
So you're saying that you did never and will never kiss anyone or shake hand with anyone? Since bacteria are dirty?


Studies on lab are made to show the reality... All these studies are made to be as close as reality as possible, if it was not the case then no researsh on human sociology would be usefull. Same for all other research. Labs research recreate the environement they are research and constrol it to remove useless factor.
If their aim is to know if and how human are impacted by another's pheromone it's obvious that they would no do their experiment somewhere with car and other things that would ruin every mesurement.

Pheromone like hormone are used by all mammal and a lot of other class, but you're trying to say that human, who are similar to all other mammal species, are different only for this?
Most people who say "human dont produce pheromone" dont show researsh that back their claim, but only that it is because they say so.

If you look at human interaction you'll see that some comportment are similar to those who, for other species, are attributed to pheromones.

No, studies are meant to prove or not a hypothesis, they're always in a super controlled environment which a lot of times changes completely the results you would get on the real world, ESPECIALLY for social interactions.

Humans have evolved a lot past other mammals on many aspects, we don't use a bunch of things our ancestors did but current mammals still do, pheromones is one of them. Pheromones exist, we might even perceive them but they have little to no effect on our actions, SCENT plays a role a lot stronger than them(and please, don't get them mixed up), even then our brain relies so so so soooo much more on sight for everything.

People who believe pheromones have that much impact should buy them on the internet and shower themselves so girls will be obviously attracted to you, I'm sure it works lol
 
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If you never clean yourself you have other issue than working out... it's weird that you think that being covered in sweat will change the amount of bacterie you have on your body. And washing yourself will only remove a minimal amount of these.

Since you pulled the illogical, "but there are bacteries mixed in sweat." do you know that your hand and mouth have more bacteries than any other part of your body.
So you're saying that you did never and will never kiss anyone or shake hand with anyone? Since bacteria are dirty?

First: Don't put words in my text. I didn't write that being covered in sweat changes the number of bacteria you have on your body and I also didn't write that the problem is that there are bacteria mixed in the sweat. What I wrote was:
It's because we have bacteria on our skin and when they come into contact with sweat, people start to stink.
I didn't write anything illogical. This is a fact. Also, when I wrote "sweaty and dirty" I specified that the dirty was dust from battle and I didn't mention bacteria.

Second: Like you said, bacteria are everywhere and that's ok. I don't have any problem with that. The problem is that bacteria, when in contact with sweat, produce chemical substances that stink (3M2H, HMHA). When you take a shower you remove sweat and inhibit bacteria from producing chemical substances that stink. The purpose of showering is to remove sweat and dead skin cells. It also removes "various forms of dirt, oil, fecal matter, and other things that are soiling your skin" (@Amariithynar 2024, p 8).

Edit: I added Amariithynar's reply. My reply was more directed towards the purpose of showering in relation to the stench but I thought his reply was a good complement.
 
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The purpose of showering is to remove sweat and dead skin cells.
Also various forms of dirt, oil, fecal matter, and other things that are soiling your skin.

You do realize that's exactly what I said, right?
No, it wasn't. You were doing everything you could to downplay human scent capability.

No, studies are meant to prove or not a hypothesis, they're always in a super controlled environment which a lot of times changes completely the results you would get on the real world, ESPECIALLY for social interactions.
Which has no bearing on if human pheromones exist and have function, which they do.

Humans have evolved a lot past other mammals on many aspects, we don't use a bunch of things our ancestors did but current mammals still do, pheromones is one of them. Pheromones exist, we might even perceive them but they have little to no effect on our actions, SCENT plays a role a lot stronger than them(and please, don't get them mixed up), even then our brain relies so so so soooo much more on sight for everything.

People who believe pheromones have that much impact should buy them on the internet and shower themselves so girls will be obviously attracted to you, I'm sure it works lol
No one reasonably involved in this conversation thinks that human pheromones work like they do in insects, where, when affected, you have no higher brain function and become a slave to the instinctual response; they provide subconscious cues to your body to prepare for things or change your perceptions on things, but they don't force you to act upon anything. they are how and why women sync their cycles when they are near each other for long enough a period of time, and why women can find a man more attractive through scent if he's sweating. Human pheromones exist and have effects, whether you like it or not.
 
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Listen Mr. One-message-totally-not-an-alt-account, I made a joke comment about how brave they are for doing everything they did in this chapter and Kaezeribato keeps replying to me saying how wonderful sweat is. He's the one trying to impose his Kink on me and I'm just responding to him, with facts, why I don't like it. At no point did I say anything like: "Don't do that, it's disgusting." or "You're a degenerate/pervert for liking this.". I'm not kink shaming.
cool, thanks for the nickname. this mr.one-message-totally-not-an-alt actually have other fun things to do than composing walls of text arguing over sweat on a forum of an ero-manga. stay classy
 
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cool, thanks for the nickname. this mr.one-message-totally-not-an-alt actually have other fun things to do than composing walls of text arguing over sweat on a forum of an ero-manga. stay classy
You butt into the discussion, accuse me of kink shaming and now you're acting supercilious instead of giving me a proper reply. You're delusional.
 
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The other female characters are great , but Kyouka is always around , she is Yuuki's main romantic interest, so she will always have more screen time than the others , it just happens to be Varvara Philipenko's arc right now, and also Bell's development, that is why they are receiving more attention. But the focal point of the story is Yuuki and Kyouka.
That's the thing, she's just around. I can't remember the last significant interaction between those two. Hell I can't even remember if it progresses them in their relationship.
 

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