Medalist - Ch. 50 - Proof of Earnestness

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Inori has been competing for years at this point. She shouldn't have such a mental fragility anymore. All the competitions she took part of, all her effort, all her interaction with other skaters trying their best... all this should have made her mentally stronger.
There are multiple examples of even top tier male adult professional athletes crying and breaking down emotionally from their failures, loses and even anxiety. You see this even in the Olympics. Do you know when in professional football matches, the striker is right in front of the goal and still misses hard? That's anxiety, those are nerves. My national team, for example, when they start losing, they get really down and lose even harder, remember the 7-1? Those guys are older and have way more experience than Inori, they played hundred of games, they kick at goal for many thousand times, even so that still happens.

Other than that, Inori is is still a kid and fragile emotions are not really something not associated with children. Her behavior really doesn't seem all that unlikely to me.
You're missing something important here. What drives Inori to advance as fast as she does is her competitive spirit, it's the fact she saw herself as HIkaru's rival despite having no basis for it. If the author moves on from rivals to friendship, Inori will lose what's driving her to push herself so hard, and she will never catch up to Hikaru without this driving her forwards.
And exactly because there was not basis for it, she started to doubt that assessment, which is a development. About moving to friendship, I see your point and now agree with you, that would not make sense. Regarding the rest of what drives Inori to compete, I stand by what I said in my previous comment.

Basically Inori's mental character development got MASSIVELY caved in and regressed as far back as...holy shit, what chapter 2 where getting yelled on by Rioh shook her really badvand she was breaking down hearing the moms talk about her? Getting the yips and being upset are things, but this was just well beyond that when they should've been things that were taken care of or very much seemed to be getting taken care of over the course of the last year both in universe(the last big competition) and out universe(that was literally 12 to 14 chapters ago). It also doesn't help that it's to give Hikaru what frankly feels like the WRONG kind of development or at least not one that she needs as much as other types.

There's more, but that's a start.
Apologies, I'm a bit confused.

Can you explain a bit further what you meant by this?
they should've been things that were taken care of or very much seemed to be getting taken care of over the course of the last year both in universe(the last big competition) and out universe(that was literally 12 to 14 chapters ago).
Why did it seemed to be taken care of? And in your opinion, what would be the correct kind of development for Hikaru in this case?
 
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I don't think Inori's breakdown here is totally unreasonable. She's had her goals(surpassing Hikaru) within her grasps multiple times and have let it slip away. She's frustrated because she knows that she is capable of doing the things necessary to beat Hikaru but just haven't been able to execute on them. It's something that's faced by anyone doing anything competitive, and if you watch any high level sports you know it never goes away even into adulthood. I think Inori's potential for development here is that because she's been beaten down so many times, she's letting her frustrations get in the way of her confidence, where she's actually starting to doubt herself on whether she actually is capable of surpassing Hikaru. This isn't something we've seen her face before and I don't think she's shown anything or have done anything to suggests that she would've gotten past this.
 
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There are multiple examples of even top tier male adult professional athletes crying and breaking down emotionally from their failures, loses and even anxiety. You see this even in the Olympics. Do you know when in professional football matches, the striker is right in front of the goal and still misses hard? That's anxiety, those are nerves. My national team, for example, when they start losing, they get really down and lose even harder, remember the 7-1? Those guys are older and have way more experience than Inori, even so that still happens.
What happens with Inori goes beyond just a bit of anxiety. This is basically a trauma, most likely steming from what happened to her sister. And while I wasn't expecting her to have gotten over it completely, the fact she self-destroyed her performance suggests she hasn't grown at all. Again, that doesn't make any sense to me.
Things being like this, it's hard to buy into the idea that she has any chance to ever beat Hikaru or Iruka. Not only they are far more skilled, but also way more mentally resiliant than Inori.

Other than that, Inori is is still a kid and fragile emotions are not really something not associated with children. Her behavior really doesn't seem all that unlikely to me.

Figure skating careers are really short, specially for women. Inori is already 15. If she can't get over her mental hang-ups now, she's finished. And the fact she hasn't grown at all so far is a bad sign. She really doesn't have the time for this shit. Bombing the All Japan means she might not be selected for the Junior World championship. And that will make it harder to get selected for the Olympics any time soon, if ever. Every time she loses a competition, she's not just losing that one time, she's losing chances of getting selected for future tournaments too.

And exactly because there was not basis for it, she started to doubt that assessment, which is a development.

No. She started to doubt herself because she bombed her performance. And at this point, doubting herself is a regression, not a positive development. It means going back to the begining of Inori's journey. It's a setback that will hurt Inori's growth as a skater because she doesn't have the time for this shit right now, as I explained about.

I don't know what the author is planning for Inori. What I do know is that if the author wants Inori to beat Hikaru at some point in the future, this isn't the right way to get there.
 
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I don't really comment or participate in comment sections. and i apologize if anything is badly written since i'm not that good at english, but I've seen quite a lot of comments and discussions both here and in other platforms not liking the direction scores 49 and 50 took because "it makes it seem that all of Inori's progress disappears or reverts back", but i do have to say, i HARDLY disagree with this view and i think people that have fallen into this line of thought during these chapters are similar to the coaches that have been making mistakes regarding reading their students during this arc.

Inori has shown absolutely no progress regardless her issues with self esteem and her frustrations towards competitive skating, there's been no development in that front and i have no idea why people think she has grown regarding the issue. She's better regarding her pre performance anxiety, sure, but in terms of her frustrations, the only thing Inori has become better at is hiding her frustrations from the adults and skaters around her.

I think a lot of the people reading Medalist expect and want to hold Inori to an emotional maturity that's expected from a fully grown up athlete (and even then, her reaction is also not unreasonable for grown, experienced athletes at all). People dismiss a lot the fact she's a 13 year old kid growing up in a highly stressing competitive environment. Regardless of how good Inori is, she is still a child just now barely starting her teen years, and quite literally entering the age in where kids start having their first identity crisis. At age ranges similar to where Inori is right now, a kid's whole worldview starts changing; so its absolutely no surprise she has started to act different to how she did at the start, or that she has become more self conscious of herself or has started bottling stuff up instead of talking it out with the grown ups in her life. People expect Inori to inmensely improve mentally from habits that have been rooted to her core in a timeframe that is way too short for someone so young (because two to three years IS indeed a short timeframe of growth), and i think its unfair to judge how she reacts to these issues when the problem itself is something that hasn't been tackled in the story yet.

This also doesn't really come out of nowhere, i don't think it's hard to see how Tsurumaikada has slowly been building up to this, since they have shown Tsukasa's and Inori's communication issues a couple of times so far. Her characterization right now as both, a highly competitive character and also a kid in the specific developmental stage Inori is right now is completely on point with how she's grown so far.
Believing Inori is improving on these aspects people claim are being thrown away now just because she didn't cry against Iruka (even though not only is that a whole different situation, since Inori's and Iruka's relationship is different to the one she shares with Hikaru, AND even though she herself admited she was putting on a front to mask how frustrated she truly was) or because she didn't get particularly ancious after what happened regarding Iruka's injury is quite literally falling for the intentional facade she's putting on that we as an audience are supposed to be smart enough to realize is fake in the first place.

Besides that, i want to talk about the fact i read a lot of people thinking Hikaru declaring she will skate for Inori is a disservice to their relationship as rivals, and while i can somewhat get the thought process that might take you there, i also HARDLY disagree with that take, and i think its mischaracterizing the characters Tsurumaikada is trying to write. Rivalry is not the same as enemies or people disliking each other, and it's something that can come hand in hand with things like friendship, love and support. Hikaru cheering Inori up by saying she will skate for her is not putting down Inori as someone who is less than in terms of her rivalry with Hikaru; its quite literally doing the opposite.

The fact Hikaru is skating for the first time for someone else, and actively confronting Jun's phylosophy is a huge indicator of how desperate she is to have Inori on the ice with her; for Hikaru, Inori has never been someone below her, she's her equal, and not only that, but as she says herself, she's also the only skater that has made her feel like she's not alone in the ice on the first place. Hikaru wants to be a motivator for Inori's skating because she understands that the flame she put on Inori's heart back in score 2 is one of the main reasons Inori has always been so reactive and competitive towards her. Hikaru skating for Inori is not some kind of pity party in where she amazes Inori and she becomes a fan, it's a challenge.

"I'll skate for you if you skate for me" or "I will keep amazing you, as long as you do the same". Hikaru is not putting down Inori as a less skilled skater, she's lifting her up as the one she herself says, loves. She is the only one that has been able to amaze her this much while on the ice, and with this, she's inviting Inori to keep reaching out for her. Her relationship with Inori is what has made Hikaru actually want to start to skate for herself, that's how important Inori is to her, and i think reading it or simply reducing them as an invencible idol and the follower that will never truly be her rival is just undermining their relationship and the two of them as characters; their relationship is reciprocated, thinking the two talking things out makes they will stop being rivals is just a bad take.
 
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I think there's a lot of emphasis being placed on her performance here which I think is unfair. Her performance is totally within reasonable deviation of what she would've skated even without anxiety or anything affecting her. It's totally within the realm of possibility for her to just have slightly messed up her axis and have to single out on a jump, and then fall on the 3Lz that she's always been inconsistent on. The shortcomings she had during her performance can very easily be explained by just slightly bad luck, it's just that its effects are exaggerated due to the SP being incredibly unforgiving when it comes to mistakes. I don't think Inori's anxiety is as much of an issue as many people are making it out to be.
 
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I think there's a lot of emphasis being placed on her performance here which I think is unfair. Her performance is totally within reasonable deviation of what she would've skated even without anxiety or anything affecting her. It's totally within the realm of possibility for her to just have slightly messed up her axis and have to single out on a jump, and then fall on the 3Lz that she's always been inconsistent on. The shortcomings she had during her performance can very easily be explained by just slightly bad luck, it's just that its effects are exaggerated due to the SP being incredibly unforgiving when it comes to mistakes. I don't think Inori's anxiety is as much of an issue as many people are making it out to be.
Interesting interpretation. But isn't this worse for Inori? If she's still inconsistent at the 3L after so long, then she'll never beat Hikaru who is almost supernaturally consistent.
 
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Inori has been competing for years at this point. She shouldn't have such a mental fragility anymore. All the competitions she took part of, all her effort, all her interaction with other skaters trying their best... all this should have made her mentally stronger. Yet, it didn't. She hasn't progressed at all. That makes no sense to me. You can't go through all that without becoming at least somewhat stronger (mentally-speaking).
On what basis do you say this?
How many examples of people taking part in many competitions did you track the psychological development of? Where are the statistics?

Throughout middle, high school and college I went to national competitions in 8 subjects and international competitions in 3 subjects, won many trophies and medals, and how strong did that make me mentally? I became a shut-in weeaboo.
 
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What happens with Inori goes beyond just a bit of anxiety. This is basically a trauma, most likely steming from what happened to her sister. And while I wasn't expecting her to have gotten over it completely, the fact she self-destroyed her performance suggests she hasn't grown at all. Again, that doesn't make any sense to me.
Things being like this, it's hard to buy into the idea that she has any chance to ever beat Hikaru or Iruka. Not only they are far more skilled, but also way more mentally resiliant than Inori.



Then she has no chance, because figure skating careers are really short, specially for women. Inori is already 15. If she can't get over her mental hang-ups now, she's finished. And the fact she hasn't grown at all so far is a bad sign. She really doesn't have the time for this shit. Bombing the All Japan means she might not be selected for the Junior World championship. And that will make it harder to get selected for the Olympics any time soon, if ever. Every time she loses a competition, she's not just losing that one time, she's losing chances of getting selected for future tournaments too.



No. She started to doubt herself because she bombed her performance. And at this point, doubting herself is a regression, not a positive development. It means going back to the begining of Inori's journey. It's a setback that will hurt Inori's growth as a skater because she doesn't have the time for this shit right now, as I explained about.

I don't know what the author is planning for Inori. What I do know is that if the author wants Inori to beat Hikaru at some point in the future, this isn't the right way to get there.
She's actually 13 and is guaranteed a slot in the upcoming tournament due qualifying with her previous gold(off-screen), but your point still very much stands.
 
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Interesting interpretation. But isn't this worse for Inori? If she's still inconsistent at the 3L after so long, then she'll never beat Hikaru who is almost supernaturally consistent.
I think both are going through body changes which is affecting both of their consistencies. We're seeing Hikaru also show inconsistencies here. I think they're just at that age where they struggle to maintain their past performance level.
 
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I think both are going through body changes which is affecting both of their consistencies. We're seeing Hikaru also show inconsistencies here. I think they're just at that age where they struggle to maintain their past performance level.
Hikaru's mistake was minor in comparison, and her free program will most likely be so fabulous that it will completely overwrite any minor inconvenient anyway. You can't compare that to what happened to Inori.
 
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Hikaru's mistake was minor in comparison, and her free program will most likely be so fabulous that it will completely overwrite any minor inconvenient anyway. You can't compare that to what happened to Inori.
I'm just making the point that neither of them are perfect, and Inori's performance isn't that far off from Hikaru's. If Inori got slightly luckier on the combo her performance would've been pretty comparable to Hikaru's. Hikaru is supernaturally consistent and she's definitely still the better skater, but I don't think it's unreasonable for Inori to be able to beat her at times when luck shines favorable on her side
 
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She's actually 13 and is guaranteed a slot in the upcoming tournament due qualifying with her previous gold(off-screen), but your point still very much stands.
She got a slot for the GP finals, but I was talking about the Junior Worlds, a different competition. To secure a slot for the Junior Worlds she needed to podium in the All Japan. She bombed her performance hard so she's not gonna podium. She still has some chances to get a slot for Worlds, but it's gonna be harder now and dependent on other factors.
 
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I'm just making the point that neither of them are perfect, and Inori's performance isn't that far off from Hikaru's. If Inori got slightly luckier on the combo her performance would've been pretty comparable to Hikaru's. Hikaru is supernaturally consistent and she's definitely still the better skater, but I don't think it's unreasonable for Inori to be able to beat her at times when luck shines favorable on her side
Even if Inori didn't screw up her jumps, I doubt her GOE scores would ever get anything close to Hikaru's. It would probably take Hikaru making mistakes of her own for Inori to have a chance. And that doesn't happen often.
 
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What happens with Inori goes beyond just a bit of anxiety. This is basically a trauma, most likely steming from what happened to her sister. And while I wasn't expecting her to have gotten over it completely, the fact she self-destroyed her performance suggests she hasn't grown at all. ...
In ch.49 scoreboard you can see that Manaka Roba, who goes to the same club as Iruka scored even lower than Inori.

I think it's understandable that unlike Dahlia, at their age they still don't have the mental strength to maintain their performance after seeing someone close to them get injured.
 
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She got a slot for the GP finals, but I was talking about the Junior Worlds, a different competition. To secure a slot for the Junior Worlds she needed to podium in the All Japan. She bombed her performance hard so she's not gonna podium. She still has some chances to get a slot for Worlds, but it's gonna be harder now and dependent on other factors.
Ah okay. Yeah that got talked about in the other thread.
 
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Inori losing is fine, but been completely trashed was unnecessary. imo. I think the author went overboard this time. This outcome is cheap too, since it basically means Inori got no emotional character growth all this time. She still gets psyched out and completely self-destroys when faced with any problems. This issue should have been fixed at this point.

Also, having Hikaru save Inori means Inori is not a proper rival. She's been reduced to a Hikaru follower like everyone else. I don't like this development. I feel it's a regression for Inori, characterization-wise.
We all have bad days. She espescially must have gotten nervous after Hikaru and Iruka and was trying to put up a strong face
 
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Basically Inori's mental character development got MASSIVELY caved in and regressed as far back as...holy shit, what chapter 2 where getting yelled on by Rioh shook her really badvand she was breaking down hearing the moms talk about her? Getting the yips and being upset are things, but this was just well beyond that when they should've been things that were taken care of or very much seemed to be getting taken care of over the course of the last year both in universe(the last big competition) and out universe(that was literally 12 to 14 chapters ago). It also doesn't help that it's to give Hikaru what frankly feels like the WRONG kind of development or at least not one that she needs as much as other types.

There's more, but that's a start.
I mean in real life, you never truly move on. That incident was part of Inori. The Iruka thing reminded her of her sister espescially as she looked up to Iruka.

Also what was undone? Remember how the same thing happened when Tsukasa got a rib injury. Then too she couldn't perform
 
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Inori has been competing for years at this point. She shouldn't have such a mental fragility anymore. All the competitions she took part of, all her effort, all her interaction with other skaters trying their best... all this should have made her mentally stronger. Yet, it didn't. She hasn't progressed at all. That makes no sense to me. You can't go through all that without becoming at least somewhat stronger (mentally-speaking).



You're missing something important here. What drives Inori to advance as fast as she does is her competitive spirit, it's the fact she saw herself as HIkaru's rival despite having no basis for it. If the author moves on from rivals to friendship, Inori will lose what's driving her to push herself so hard, and she will never catch up to Hikaru without this driving her forwards.
She is stronger though. The Iruka thing reminded her of her sister espescially as she looked up to Iruka. Remember how the same thing happened when Tsukasa got a rib injury. Then too she couldn't perform.

She has become stronger but this loss has brought her insecurities to light.
 
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I think it's understandable that unlike Dahlia, at their age they still don't have the mental strength to maintain their performance after seeing someone close to them get injured.
I don't know. Maybe this could be interpreted as an isolated incident if we hadn't seen what happened when Tsukasa got hurt. Back then Inori lost her ability to land her jumps, just like right now. So I don't think this is an isolated incident. I think there's more to it. And something must be done. And there's no time. GP finals is around the corner and Junior Worlds just a few months after that. It's do or die now.

And I get the feeling Hikaru saving Inori with her performance is not the right move. Inori needs to stop depending so much on others. It feels like Inori's regressing to the beginning.
 
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Another thing that bugged is Inori's apology for at worst, just kind of standoffish at the camp they went to. It felt kind of gross since it was like she was apologizing for deigning to be ambitious and competitive and viewing herself as Hikaru's rival. Like she was sorry that she stepped out of line and thought she was at that level.
She was apologizing because she and Hikaru were never at the same level. She was just chasing after Hikaru. It was an act of arrogance to call herself Hikaru's rival. She got Hikaru hopes up and then dashed them.
 

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