[MEGATHREAD] Tags Suggestions

[kouyo]

This thread is for suggesting and discussing new tags to be implemented in MangaDex. To suggest a new tag, please follow the guidelines below.

Guidelines:​

1. Your tag should represent a broad theme or concept that applies to a wide range of content. Providing examples is encouraged to clarify where it would be used.
2. Tags should be clear, easy to understand. Try to avoid suggesting tags that are too abstract or based on niche references that might confuse others.
3. Avoid suggesting tags that could closely overlap with existing ones. If unsure, check our Tags Definition for guidance, ask if you're still unsure.
4. Provide a clear explanation of the tag's purpose and what type of content it is meant to categorize.
5. Tags should primarily focus on describing content itself, such as its themes, genres, or storytelling structure. Tags that focus on external conditions or processes are not in line with this rule. Other types of tags may be accepted, provided they help users identify the reading structure or navigational format of the content.
6. Tags promoting content that violates site rules won't be accepted.

Important:​

Anything falling under the banner of "porn tags" is currently pending a tag rework. We're in need of a system for categorizing these tags that will allow us to flag them appropriately and segregate them from the main list of tags.

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Below is a list of suggested tags that meets the previous requirements. This is not a list of tags that we will add. Only if the tag meets the requirements, it will be added to the list. Porn tags are excluded from this list.

Suggested tags:​

• Age Gap
• Childcare
• Idols
• Economics
• Educative
• Short Comics
• Kingdom
• Enterprise
• Cute Girls Doing Cute Things (CGDCT)
• Maid
• Banishment/Abandoned Protagonist
• Farming/Agriculture
• Child Abuse
• Power Fantasy
• Game Elements
• Romantic Subtext
• Iyashikei
• Journey
• Dungeon Crawl
• Politics
• Robots
• Kemonomimi

 

[Arin-san]

You will read Futanari manga and you will enjoy it.

 

[Remocracy]

Tags continued: 404: Men not Found, Comfy Content, Age Gap, NTR (surprised its not already here). Most of these are to filter out content, since Futanari is firmly entrenched in the "Girls' Love" tag space, and Hetero content is prevalent as well. NTR should be obvious, some are into it, the rest of us hate it.

Edit: John below makes my point clear, most of these I want to filter out except comfy content.

Why do we need a 404 men not found tag? Doesn't "Girls' Love" already exist?

 

[RogerZero]

Why do we need a 404 men not found tag? Doesn't "Girls' Love" already exist?

There are Yuri purists that vomit blood at the very idea of the male sex existing in their gay chinese cartoons.

 

[infernotez]

This doesn't disagree with what I said. What I meant is that the Venn diagram of "Short chapters" would fit almost entirely inside "Web comic", which is a problem because we want to avoid adding tags that basically by default come with another tag. That's just poor design.

The problem is that almost all manhwas fall into the web comic tag too along with stuff like spellcross, all of those ARE NOT tiny 1-5 image non-panel pages. The issue being the expectations of what a title you see is not adequately reflected in a general tag like that. If you see a 4-koma tag you know that the series is drastically different than a standard series which is drastically different than an anthology series, which is also different than a one shot. A tag is useful to set expectations of what a group of something is, in this case types of comics. I would argue that technically a 1 page would not even be considered a chapter in the context of a story and they would be better off changed to decimals.

 

[Teasday]

The problem is that almost all manhwas fall into the web comic tag too along with stuff like spellcross, all of those ARE NOT tiny 1-5 image non-panel pages.

Yes, obviously I know. "One-page" being a subset of "Webcomic" doesn't imply that all webcomics are one-page, it only implies the opposite.

My point is that Webcomic would become dead weight as a category name for just about everything that is One-page. You'd have to search for "include Webcomic, exclude One-page" when what we'd really want in that case would be more like a separate "More-than-one-page-webcomic" tag, whatever that would actually be called. In other words, in a case like this we'd want to split the tag in two, not just add a new one.

 

[infernotez]

Yes, obviously I know. "One-page" being a subset of "Webcomic" doesn't imply that all webcomics are one-page, it only implies the opposite.

My point is that Webcomic would become dead weight as a category name for just about everything that is One-page. You'd have to search for "include Webcomic, exclude One-page" when what we'd really want in that case would be more like a separate "More-than-one-page-webcomic" tag, whatever that would actually be called. In other words, in a case like this we'd want to split the tag in two, not just add a new one.

I thought webcomic was more a descriptor of a comic that's primary release is online? They are often never released via a physical medium, but sometimes can if proved to be popular enough.

Maybe what is needed is just a "Short Form" tag? It seems like potentially a lot of backend work to try and manage how many pages something is, especially when you talk about how manhwas can end up broken into say 8 very long pages or 40+ standard pages.

If we were talking dev time I would massively rather see a local filtering solution. My solution on that is much more crude(ublock on the images)

https://imgur.com/0hMAD1R

 

[Teasday]

I thought webcomic was more a descriptor of a comic that's primary release is online? They are often never released via a physical medium, but sometimes can if proved to be popular enough.

It is, yes. My point here is like... imagine if someone started demanding a "Released on Twitter" tag. All titles with that tag would automatically also get a Webcomic tag, pretty much by definition, so it's a weird situation where the presence of one tag always demands another. Or, like, having "Romantic comedy" as a tag, automatically demanding both "Romance" and "Comedy". This just sounds like tag misdesign to me.

• full color and official colored

Official colored refers specifically to works that were originally released in black and white but were colored after the fact, while Full color includes works that were colored to begin with. Good point, though, we should probably consider removing Full color from all titles with the Official/Fan-colored tags and make it only refer to originally colored works.

 

[infernotez]

It is, yes. My point here is like... imagine if someone started demanding a "Released on Twitter" tag. All titles with that tag would automatically also get a Webcomic tag, pretty much by definition, so it's a weird situation where the presence of one tag always demands another. Or, like, having "Romantic comedy" as a tag, automatically demanding both "Romance" and "Comedy". This just sounds like tag misdesign to me.


Official colored refers specifically to works that were originally released in black and white but were colored after the fact, while Full color includes works that were colored to begin with. Good point, though, we should probably consider removing Full color from all titles with the Official/Fan-colored tags and make it only refer to originally colored works.

Ya, there is definitely a blindspot with all these single page/few page series. I found this one a bit ago and fixed the tags, just another single page getting posted. I do agree there is no point creating jointed tags like romantic comedy when the two tags do the job as not all romance has comedy. With that as an example, that is exactly why I think there needs to be a separation for these short form series from the standard web comic. I would definitely say anything under 10 manga sized pages would be outside the norm with consideration of a short form tag and anything 5 or less is 100% short form.

 

[Teasday]

Official colored refers specifically to works that were originally released in black and white but were colored after the fact, while Full color includes works that were colored to begin with. Good point, though, we should probably consider removing Full color from all titles with the Official/Fan-colored tags and make it only refer to originally colored works.

I didn't know but apparently this is already enforced on the frontend, there's just old invalid data left over.

 

[Teasday]

Yeah but the tag is so... specific. I already told this brave on Discord, but if those two tags are so specific, then I really don't get why a Twicomic and promo/pre-serialization tag is a problem to add.

I don't know in how many more ways I can describe the subset thing

Are you guys just not reading what I say

but isn't it the same with official colored when you can just tag:"full color" -tag:"fan colored"?

But this is exactly the reason why Full color is getting cleaned

You can't use it as an example of "isn't it fine to do this when this is happening elsewhere too" when the thing that is happening elsewhere is explicitly blocked and considered bad data

 

[mangadexprofile]

They already have cross-dressing and Gender-Swap though i guess Futanari just means hermaphrodite in Japanese so that is different, as for Hetero it is the default so i would think that you you could filter it by selecting anything else or hitting exclude on the ones that you are not interested in. i do not know what this means 404: Men not Found, Comfy Content. Age gap i understand giving that they already have a bloody loli tag though could get weird with all the 5000 year old dragons goddess's. though i would suggest adding a trans tag of some kind along with Futanari.

 

[HOMEBOUND11]

Suggestions of manga that apply:
How Heavy are the Dumbells you Lift (fitness)
Chichi no Jikan (breast feeding)
Boku ga Watashi ni Naru Tame ni (Indonesian Sex-change industry)

There are probably more out there, and I know it would be a niche tag, but it would an interesting thing to have. I personally have found amazing info from these various educational manga, and an ability to find more easily would be greatly appreciated.

 

[solstice258]

Imo, it's too vague of an idea to make a tag and I'm not sure if the number of educational manga is enough to create a new tag.

But at least there is a thread on the forums where people are sharing/compiling them:
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/list-of-mangas-with-educative-content.1230598/

 

[GipoScribantino]

If this were to pass, the majority of the tagged works would be isekai as authors, for unknown reasons, are hellbent in providing the smallest minutiae regarding any particular activity the MC performs even when nobody cares but the author, thus being technically "educative" despite not being the actual goal.

Also, would the tag be for comic with detailed explanations in general, or would it be for correct explanations?
There are many works (comics or otherwise) which would fall into the first category but not in the second and if they were to be tagged as "educational" you'd basically endorse falsity as true informations.

 

[UnnamedPlayer]

The problem is that deciding if a manga is educationnal or not is sometimes arbitrary. How much information do a manga need to contain to be classified with this tag ? Some mangas are clearly enough, some other not, and there is a lot who are in between and for whom it's very difficult to decide if they are educationnal or not. And the decision is quite arbitrary, everyone have different threshold for that. For example : is Shine (Runway de Waratte) educationnal or not ? There is some information about fashion in it, but not everyone will say that it's enough to make this manga educationnal : it will be enought for some, not for others. Same for ascendance of a bookworm, for another example.

At best, you can try to make a difference between educationnal mangas where educative content is the primary goal (like the "Manga de Wakaru ..." series), and non-educationnal where educative content is inexistant or secondary to the plot (Dr Stone, Otomeyogatari), and base the tag on it, but the tag will be very rarely used...

Also, would the tag be for comic with detailed explanations in general, or would it be for correct explanations?
There are many works (comics or otherwise) which would fall into the first category but not in the second and if they were to be tagged as "educational" you'd basically endorse falsity as true informations.

A good example : the Investor Z series contains a subtle blend of good and wrong/outdated explanations. For me, it's educationnal, but i have put a warning on the dedicated thread to warn about that. I also have concerns about Koi to utatane, Elf-san wa Yaserarenai and Danberu Nan Kiro Moteru?...

 

[RogueKitsune]

The only way this would work would be for this tag to strictly apply to titles that are just for education like those learn C++ and SQL manga. Otherwise it would apply to lots of titles (i.e. food/cooking, Isekai, etc. manga)

 

[fchiisaia21]

Imo, it's too vague of an idea to make a tag and I'm not sure if the number of educational manga is enough to create a new tag.

But at least there is a thread on the forums where people are sharing/compiling them:
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/list-of-mangas-with-educative-content.1230598/

Educational manga is actually pretty common in Japan, but when it get licensed outside Japan, it rarely promoted as "Japanese manga", but rather as a general educational comic. That's why we rarely see them in any English manga database.

Manga de Dokuha series is probably the most prominent title in the genre that regularly promoted as both educational and Japanese comic.

The problem is that deciding if a manga is educationnal or not is sometimes arbitrary. How much information do a manga need to contain to be classified with this tag ? Some mangas are clearly enough, some other not, and there is a lot who are in between and for whom it's very difficult to decide if they are educationnal or not.

We can use the categorization based on publisher, the same way we categorize shounen-shoujo-josei-seinen.

I recall that in Japanese-language manga database, all educational-tagged manga always based on publisher definition. Like Bentame Jump https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-n...-educational-manga-magazine-with-top-creators

 

[OisE]

We can use the categorization based on publisher

The issue is that people don't really do that.

 

[CosmicIceTea]

I would like to suggest these two, as it would help finding manga titles easier

The tag COOKING is good, but I believe FOOD/DRINK would be a better choice. This would allow a larger selection of titles to be included, and it would be more direct of a tag to understand. The manga Sleepy Barmaid is a good example, there is no cooking, but it does relate to food/drink.

I see there is nothing for motor vehicles on the site. I have checked out some titles, and they just say SPORT. I think we should add a new tag, and it should be VEHICLES. This would allow all manga titles that have cars, racecars, motorcycles, and much more. The manga Wangan Midnight has sport, but it could include VEHICLE. The manga Super Cub could have VEHICLE as well, as it has nothing to relate it to what the manga is about.

 

[LunaonaMoon]

Makes sense. I have read a bunch that do not have the correct tags, or the tags do not match.