Mezametara Saikyou Soubi to Uchuusenmochi Datta node, Ikkodate Mezashite Youhei toshite Jiyuu ni Ikitai - Vol. 9 Ch. 41.2

[TestAddress]

yes, yes they are and more to come.
They are getting a big mothership for a reason.

Ship of mother's. Guess who will be the father...

 

[theShear]

Although on that note the elf is also on the loli body type but somehow the twins is what riles the people.

It is funny yes. That and both Girls so far are much smaller than the MC. Just that the dwarfs are specifically designed to adhere to the "Legal Loli" Archetype with no debate so I assume that is what's triggering people. Personally I don't really care, it's an age old trope and that Anime Characters look like "Children" thanks to the often "cute" art style is as old as it's presence in the west to begin with. I would know, I was there

 

[Bel-Shug]

People discount shortstacks as "loli" because they don't want to accept the idea of oppai loli.

Although on that note the elf is also on the loli body type but somehow the twins is what riles the people.

Accepting shortstacks as loli is as ridiculous as thinking white chocolate is chocolate too.

 

[theShear]

Accepting shortstacks as loli is as ridiculous as thinking white chocolate is chocolate too.

Oppai Loli is pretty much the term Japan uses for Shortstack (though not only), you can find characters like Shiori from my "Tiny Sempai" under it on Pixiv for example. Granted they use "Loli" as a descriptor for characters with a "Petite and small" Bodytype and not like the west is using it so the base thinking differs to begin with.

 

[CinderSquall]

Oppai Loli is pretty much the term Japan uses for Shortstack (though not only), you can find characters like Shiori from my "Tiny Sempai" under it on Pixiv for example. Granted they use "Loli" as a descriptor for characters with a "Petite and small" Bodytype and not like the west is using it so the base thinking differs to begin with.

I think under and including 140cm is the only "rule" for loli characters which is why Hestia fro Danmachi is also counted as one.

The western "meaning" of loli is just stupid, especially nowadays.

 

[Baronoflight]

You can just smell the stench of American LARPer in this thread without even reading through each posts.

 

[leoelawesome]

They're probably his age, seeing as their dwarves, but personality-wise they seem like children.

So dunno, hopefully author wouldn't throw kids his way. 🤨

Or maybe even older like elma

 

[Outflanks10]

Well that escalated quickly

Thanks for the translation hidamari

 

[electro_neanderthal]

i really hope he throws a fit just because the company made that dumb specific move but makes them new addition to the crew only if they're useful as an on-board mechanic

Good news, then.

Spoiler

They did this independently from the company, as the more crass sister wanted to not be fired and hoped pleasuring Hiro would prevent that. The company does get crap before they clarify who is to blame. And the twins are useful as mechanics. The actual bedding doesn't happen for quite a while.

I think under and including 140cm is the only "rule" for loli characters which is why Hestia fro Danmachi is also counted as one.

The western "meaning" of loli is just stupid, especially nowadays.

The western meaning comes from a 1955 novel called "Lolita", in which a man methodically preys on his underage stepdaughter.

I've briefly looked into the Japanese origin of the term "loli", to see if it's different, and have come up with conflicting information from different sources.

Do you have a good source for the Japanese history of the term?
(Edits and corrections made: also see below for more details on the origins, as I have discovered an answer while doing a little more research)

 

[Iamcheater]

They're probably his age, seeing as their dwarves, but personality-wise they seem like children.

So dunno, hopefully author wouldn't throw kids his way. 🤨

Um... They are not kids although admittedly they are legal lolis. If that's a turn off for you, then I suggest "

Spoiler

you don't read further

 

[Iamcheater]

Good news, then.

Spoiler

They did this independently from the company, as the more crass sister wanted to not be fired and hoped pleasuring Hiro would prevent that. The company does get crap before they clarify who is to blame. And the twins are useful as mechanics. The actual bedding doesn't happen for quite a while.

The western meaning comes from an old (1700s or 1800s) novel called "Lolita", in which a man methodically preys on his underage niece.

I've briefly looked into the Japanese origin of the term "loli", to see if it's different, and have come up with conflicting information from different sources.

Do you have a good source for the Japanese history of the term?

Nooooo how later are we talking about 😭? And is it FFM or just with each one separately?

 

[Iamcheater]

Spoiler

Just a heads up for folks, the harem grows. As of chapter 465 of the WN, there are 8 official harem members and 2-3 unofficial/potential members.

I need to know if the blonde noble girl, Serena, is an official member at the point you are. Please please tell me she is. I feel so bad for her I want her to get fucked and waifued by Hiro more than any other of the girls.

And yes I know what I said and stand by it lol.

 

[TiaoAK47]

Nooooo how later are we talking about 😭? And is it FFM or just with each one separately?

Spoiler

Hiro usually only sleeps with one girl at a time according to the WN. BUT there is at least one instance (maybe more, I don't remember) where it's everyone at once.

 

[electro_neanderthal]

I need to know if the blonde noble girl, Serena, is an official member at the point you are. Please please tell me she is. I feel so bad for her I want her to get fucked and waifued by Hiro more than any other of the girls.

And yes I know what I said and stand by it lol.

Spoiler

She is. It's recent as far as the English translation of the WN goes, but she did join the harem.

 

[E421T]

Spoiler: minor spoiler

This is not nearly as bad as yall think it is, just two idiots overthinking.

 

[E421T]

Nooooo how later are we talking about 😭? And is it FFM or just with each one separately?

Spoiler: Spoiler for Relationships

well, in the LN at least it's FFM. Idk what the other dude who responded to you was talking about. There is plenty of group f*ckery in that novel idk

 

[E421T]

Spoiler

She is. It's recent as far as the English translation of the WN goes, but she did join the harem.

Spoiler

wait what I have read the WN up to linke 425 and while she has a major (no pun intended) crush on him there is no harem or "interaction" going on, what chapter was that? (If you answer, please no story spoilers, just the approximate chapter number or something)

 

[electro_neanderthal]

Spoiler

wait what I have read the WN up to linke 425 and while she has a major (no pun intended) crush on him there is no harem or "interaction" going on, what chapter was that? (If you answer, please no story spoilers, just the approximate chapter number or something)

Chapter 452 of the WN.

The reason for it... well, the chapter is titled... eh, I'll leave it at that.

 

[CinderSquall]

The western meaning comes from an old (1700s or 1800s) novel called "Lolita", in which a man methodically preys on his underage niece.

If I recall that novel(and the movie based on it) "Lolita" isn't even an actual word but the name of the niece no?

Do you have a good source for the Japanese history of the term?

Not 100% sure since I'm not a historian but I'm pretty sure the origin in Japan is from the gothic lolita fashion.

 

[electro_neanderthal]

If I recall that novel(and the movie based on it) "Lolita" isn't even an actual word but the name of the niece no?

It's the title of the book and the nickname given to the abused stepdaughter (I thought she was a niece, I was wrong—the book is also more recent than I thought). It's derived from the Spanish nickname for "Delores" which is the stepdaughter's given name.

Not 100% sure since I'm not a historian but I'm pretty sure the origin in Japan is from the gothic lolita fashion.

So I found a Wikipedia article on "lolita fashion" and... the book actually is the origin of the term, but came to be viewed in an entirely different way than it did in the west.

In Japan, however, discourse around the novel [Lolita] instead built on the country's romanticized girls' culture (shōjo bunka), and came to be a positive synonym for the "sweet and adorable" adolescent girl, without a perverse or sexual connotation.

So they took to discussing Lolita (the book) and focused entirely on the aesthetic without the context it had within the book. This happened to the point no one today seems to really make the connection of the term's current meaning to the book that inspired it.

But there is a Japanese term that shares the origin and is sexual: "lolicon".

The Japanese sense of "Lolita" also appears in lolicon (from "Lolita complex"),[132][133] a term associated with Russell Trainer's novel The Lolita Complex (1966, translated 1969) and associated with otaku (anime and manga fan) culture. The concept and genre of media reflects a blend between the aesthetic of kawaii and sexual themes in fiction.

So to simplify, "lolita" means:
Most places - pedophilia
Japan - innocent aesthetic around young girls.

And "lolicon" is sexual in nature in Japan (anyone saying it isn't probably doesn't realize the origin of the word).

Honestly, I'm not entirely trusting that nearly all discussions on the book in Japan left out the predatory context, especially with how late the country was to ban child porn (early 2000s), but for now I'll give Japan the benefit of the doubt and say that it (lolita, and later loli) was innocent in its use over there.