Mezametara Saikyou Soubi to Uchuusenmochi Datta node, Ikkodate Mezashite Youhei toshite Jiyuu ni Ikitai - Vol. 9 Ch. 48.2

[Hughmann27]

wait, i'm really confused, is the author using EVE online for reference for this series, or are they creating a brand new game (something we don't have on the market) for the series?

Supposedly at least somewhat based on the game Elite Dangerous.

 

[CruiserEgg97]

Anime adaptation has already been Announced in February 2025 (No Airing date yet though).

At least it'd be the most tone down version of all...

LN's way too sexed up... It's like reading eromanga but the illustrations jumpscare you in public with lewds...

 

[Morose]

At least it'd be the most tone down version of all...

LN's way too sexed up... It's like reading eromanga but the illustrations jumpscare you in public with lewds...

It's not really that sexed up though.
I mean, it only mentions MC sleeping with one of the girls when he is resting, that's all.
There is not much description on what happens in the Bedroom or the Bathroom, only mention of what happens before and the after.

 

[CruiserEgg97]

It's not really that sexed up though.
I mean, it only mentions MC sleeping with one of the girls when he is resting, that's all.
There is not much description on what happens in the Bedroom or the Bathroom, only mention of what happens before and the after.

I meant the illustration where the tits are literally poppin. (It's like a H in LN, while manga's more like a D.)

 

[Morose]

I meant the illustration where the tits are literally poppin. (It's like a H in LN, while manga's more like a D.)

Only a few illustrations are like that.

I know, because i recently created the Fandom Wiki for it, and had uploaded every illustrations (except one) from the LN until Vol.14.

Of the 140 Black & White illustrations in the 14 volumes so far, only 5 could be classified as Borderline-H.
As for the 28 double spread colour illustrations, about 4 could be classified as Borderline.

 

[electro_neanderthal]

Supposedly at least somewhat based on the game Elite Dangerous.

On the subject of sources of inspiration and being "based on XYZ":

Sci-fi borrows so much from other sci-fi that it's basically impossible to tell what things are "based on" unless the author reveals what they are basing their world building on.

It's clear that the author of this story is versed in many sci-fi and sci-fa stories, and what exactly inspired what, is, I would argue, extremely difficult to tell when it comes to the things that are found across multiple stories that tend to be universally implemented (economies often look the same once they get detailed and realistic enough).

I can guarantee that the following IPs are some of the direct inspiration that aspects of this story are "based on."

• Star Wars
• Coca-Cola and Dr. Pepper
• H.P. Lovecraft books
• Half-Life

And more

To be clear: I'm not saying each of the above are major parts of the story, I'm saying they directly affect something, even if it's just a single item's existence.

Also, I highly suspect the following are direct inspirations, but no direct mention of them, or any one thing purely unique to them, has been explicitly written into the story:

- Dune
(There are multiple things in the WN that, while individual elements have been co-opted in other famous sci-fi and sci-fa stories, only Dune has all of them.)

- Elite Dangerous
(I remember a commenter somewhere claiming the author said this was a major influence, which is why I'm including it - "the economy" is not a valid argument unless you can prove Elite Dangerous is the only game or famous story with a space mercenary economy.)

- Eve Online
(Hiro played "Stellar Online" and not "Elite Space"... and another other-worlder in the story later on mentions how this universe was similar to a game she played in her original universe called "Stellar Pirates Online" in the title.)

 

[CruiserEgg97]

Only a few illustrations are like that.

I know, because i recently created the Fandom Wiki for it, and had uploaded every illustrations (except one) from the LN until Vol.14.

Of the 140 Black & White illustrations in the 14 volumes so far, only 5 could be classified as Borderline-H.
As for the 28 double spread colour illustrations, about 4 could be classified as Borderline.

I meant cup size... Not manga type 😏😅

 

[electro_neanderthal]

I meant cup size... Not manga type 😏😅

The illustrations have been inconsistent... and so have the written descriptions in the WN. I don't know about the written descriptions in the LN. Regardless, we don't really know the body proportions they'll have in the anime, as the picture you see in the anime announcement was reused from the WN... and the written descriptions of Mimi contradict that image.

Spoiler: Not relevant to the discussion, just a tangent.

Also, fun fact: in real life, cup size is not simple at all. It changes depending on the size of the person, the shape of the cup, brand, and the respective country's general sizing standards.

I.E. A tall western woman with broad shoulders can wear a B cup and her bra will be noticeably larger than a slender, short Japanese woman with an H cup. Proportionally, however, that same Japanese woman will have a "larger" chest, even if it has less overall mass.

And since I'm already this deep into the rabbit hole: the anime/manga style rarely ever gets body proportions correct, and each series can have characters that look the same in size and proportions and be described a size or two apart.

This inconsistency was probably most clearly illustrated with the actress of the lead female character in the live action adaptation of Cowboy Bebop.

The actress who played said character said her character's proportions were impossible IRL, therefore she shouldn't have to wear the canon outfit.

This was silly on 2 parts because
1) Fans were quick to point out that actress already had the same proportions as canonically described, even if they didn't look the same visually.
2) The actress had definitely played characters in skimpy outfits before and was further proven as being a bit of a hypocrite for culture war reasons.

 

[cactus27]

Damn I caught up. I read that way too fast. Welp at least it should update soon (theoretically)

 

[theShear]

On the subject of sources of inspiration and being "based on XYZ":

Sci-fi borrows so much from other sci-fi that it's basically impossible to tell what things are "based on" unless the author reveals what they are basing their world building on.

It's clear that the author of this story is versed in many sci-fi and sci-fa stories, and what exactly inspired what, is, I would argue, extremely difficult to tell when it comes to the things that are found across multiple stories that tend to be universally implemented (economies often look the same once they get detailed and realistic enough).

I can guarantee that the following IPs are some of the direct inspiration that aspects of this story are "based on."

• Star Wars
• Coca-Cola and Dr. Pepper
• H.P. Lovecraft books
• Half-Life

And more

To be clear: I'm not saying each of the above are major parts of the story, I'm saying they directly affect something, even if it's just a single item's existence.

Also, I highly suspect the following are direct inspirations, but no direct mention of them, or any one thing purely unique to them, has been explicitly written into the story:

- Dune
(There are multiple things in the WN that, while individual elements have been co-opted in other famous sci-fi and sci-fa stories, only Dune has all of them.)

- Elite Dangerous
(I remember a commenter somewhere claiming the author said this was a major influence, which is why I'm including it - "the economy" is not a valid argument unless you can prove Elite Dangerous is the only game or famous story with a space mercenary economy.)

- Eve Online
(Hiro played "Stellar Online" and not "Elite Space"... and another other-worlder in the story later on mentions how this universe was similar to a game she played in her original universe called "Stellar Pirates Online" in the title.)

The Author actually pretty much straight out confirmed he's a Fan of Elite Dangerous and it was a big inspiration. Which is actually kinda neat considering as far as I know the game doesn't have a japanese Localisation.
Not that you are wrong. Last I checked E-D doesn't have Humanoid Aliens and mental powers

:EDIT: and this just reminded me I still wanted to order the Novels. I think they are already up to 13 in english?
Side note on the spoilered Part. It was specifically the Addon for Stellar Online called Stellar Online Pirates.

 

[Morose]

Damn I caught up. I read that way too fast. Welp at least it should update soon (theoretically)

Just going to say, translation for Chapters 49.1 & 49.2 is already out.

Though they are not on MD, because the translator seems to have stopped uploading his work here.

 

[electro_neanderthal]

The Author actually pretty much straight out confirmed he's a Fan of Elite Dangerous and it was a big inspiration. Which is actually kinda neat considering as far as I know the game doesn't have a japanese Localisation.
Not that you are wrong. Last I checked E-D doesn't have Humanoid Aliens and mental powers

Nice.

:EDIT: and this just reminded me I still wanted to order the Novels. I think they are already up to 13 in english?
Side note on the spoilered Part. It was specifically the Addon for Stellar Online called Stellar Online Pirates.

Is that what they did in the LN? I think that's a little disappointing. Not that it isn't cool that she's from Hiro's universe and world, it's just that I really liked the multidimensional aspect, and her being from a parallel world to Hiro's would have played so well into it.[/ispoiler]

And if I'm being brutally honest: I was told the LN handled Marie the same as the WN. With that knowledge, and under the assumption that the author wanted to do anything with Marie in the future, he chose the worst way to go about it.

I think it's universally agreed that bringing her back in any way would be a plot hole. If the author wants someone from Hiro's world for any reason, he needs to do it with another character.

 

[theShear]

I think it's universally agreed that bringing her back in any way would be a plot hole. If the author wants someone from Hiro's world for any reason, he needs to do it with another character.

That sounds like he killed her in the WN. Interesting. Last I read in the LN was their first Battle where she got away (where Hiro figured out who she is) but I think she reappears in a recent one(Edit: Nope I was wrong. Still Missing). Not sure if she gets killed there.

 

[electro_neanderthal]

That sounds like he killed her in the WN. Interesting. Last I read in the LN was their first Battle where she got away (where Hiro figured out who she is) but I think she reappears in a recent one(Edit: Nope I was wrong. Still Missing). Not sure if she gets killed there.

Oh boy, it seems I didn't word my reply well enough. Please let me correct the record on what happens in the WN:

Marie did successfully flee. She's still alive. However, Hiro never reported her nor killed her, even though he wanted to and had the legal right to, because he thought no one would believe his side of the story. Which is nonsense:

The world building literally shows that Hiro has evidence he can use to do either. The author had to make Hiro a literal low IQ moron in order for Marie to escape with no bounty on her head. This is why it's considered a plot hole, because if Marie returns as anything other than a pirate who's been on the run from the law ever since she tried to murder Hiro and some of his girls, her appearance makes no logical sense.

I was told the LN did the same thing as the WN here. Is this true, or did the LN change anything that would make her appearance not a plot hole created by Hiro's author-induced stupidity? Hiro really was out of character to let it happen the way it did.

Oh, and for the record, Marie still hasn't reappeared as of the latest translated WN chapter. I may be wrong, but I think the author got the overwhelmingly critical feedback and won't bring her back.

Actually, a similar reason is also why I'm not a fan of Tina and Wiska being in the harem: Hiro and Mei, and even Mimi to a lesser degree, were all out of character in order for things to happen the way they did. And they didn't have to be, there was a less nonsense reason for them to join, which is what boggles my mind the most about it.

Also, if it's not too much trouble, could I please get a source or an idea of what to search for regarding the conversation where the author's inspiration was discussed? I want to read or hear the whole discussion and all of the questions and answers in it (not just the Elite Dangerous answer).

 

[theShear]

"snipped because much text"

Ahh, then the Marie situation is same as WN. Though in the LN they actually made a point that everything up to Marie's "confession" is actually not enough as her Confession is "just" vague enough to not count as evidence and his attempts at attacking him where pushed under the rug as "Accidental friendly fire". Not sure if it's the same in WN but in LN they even detained Hiro after the Crystal Life form battle and questioned him due to his accusations. So it's less "Hiro is an Idiot" but more like "The damn Empire needs better people!". She is very much on Hiro's shite list.

 

[electro_neanderthal]

Ahh, then the

Spoiler

Marie situation is same as WN. Though in the LN they actually made a point that everything up to Marie's "confession" is actually not enough as her Confession is "just" vague enough to not count as evidence and his attempts at attacking him where pushed under the rug as "Accidental friendly fire". Not sure if it's the same in WN but in LN they even detained Hiro after the Crystal Life form battle and questioned him due to his accusations. So it's less "Hiro is an Idiot" but more like "The damn Empire needs better people!". She is very much on Hiro's shite list.

Ah, so the LN improved the writing. In the WN, Hiro was detained and questioned about who summoned the crystal lifeforms, but never even tried to accuse Marie of wrongdoing.

Poor government investigation is at least believable. Thanks for your time and responses.

 

[theShear]

Ah, so the LN improved the writing. In the WN, Hiro was detained and questioned about who summoned the crystal lifeforms, but never even tried to accuse Marie of wrongdoing.

Poor government investigation is at least believable. Thanks for your time and responses.

Gonna be honest here I might actually remember this wrong about the reason he was questioned but Hiro quite openly confronted her about getting fired at if I remember right. They also go into detail why her "confession" is only one for people who truly understand the context and is useless in court. She is officially a well established Gold Rank mercenary for many years now after all.

 

[electro_neanderthal]

Gonna be honest here I might actually remember this wrong about the reason he was questioned but Hiro quite openly confronted her about getting fired at if I remember right. They also go into detail why her "confession" is only one for people who truly understand the context and is useless in court. She is officially a well established Gold Rank mercenary for many years now after all.

Yeah, in the WN, chapter 286, the following facts are mentioned:

Spoiler

- Marie is gold rank, but has been investigated "several times" by the guild.

- Even though her fleet has a "solid track record" of killing pirates (as many as Hiro or more, though over a much longer period of time), Marie was never able to give the guild a good answer as to why she got as much loot and found as many pirate bases as she did.

- Hiro and co.'s group thinks that Marie is suspcted of attacking other pirate groups that got in the way of the red pirates and was using that as a cover/"laundering" mechanism for their own pirating activities.

This is based on the information Mei was able to get from hacking the guild records. Furthermore, in chapter 285, it's made clear that guild rank isn't that solid of a defense, and that one substantiated criminal report would be enough to make any guild member a wanted criminal.

And this is where the world building and setting come in: It's sci-fi, the ships can record themselves and their surroundings visually (Marie used her "one of a kind" ship killing gun against him 10 times), there's the vioce recordings, and even more evidence.

For example, in 297, we get the circumstances of reuniting with the Crimson Lance and a singing crystal is broken within seconds of exiting a hyperlane occur (that's such a coincidence it can't be anything but a trap).

298, Marie stopped trying to hide it:

Spoiler

"『Nfufu…… Alrighty then. We’re gonna perform support fire again, so make sure you dodge properly, m’kay?』

Marie’s voice that no longer hid her cruelty and malice echoed out from the comms."

Tone of voice is used is real court cases to determine intent with other supporting evidence... and there's plenty of that to go along with this shift in the tone of voice.

Chapter 299 is where the writing starts to really fall apart. It makes several claims, from both sides, about the evidence being erased/not existing, however those claims literally contradict the facts.

For example:

Spoiler

Hiro literally says, "there's no battle record" despite the fact he's been battling crystal lifeforms and his ship has been recording things visually... like Marie’s "the only one like it" rainbow canon only missing him because he had to make sudden maneuvers... 10 times.

Marie said she left no evidence... except for the navigation data from both their ships, which could be downloaded in an investigation. Erasing her ship's data would just be suspicious, considering the voice recordings combined with the data from Hiro's ship alone could get her a criminal conviction.

I was wrong about 1 thing: Chapter 300 explains that Hiro got to explain everything, including the events leading up to, the attack. However, there was no conclusion discussed. In fact, Marie left before there would be time for the investigation to conclude. Hiro does, too.

Comments making criticisms and arguments against the writing are mostly concentrated in chapters 299 and 300, if you're interested. A common one is how Hiro could have used his rights as an honorary noble. If he did, evidence could be forcefully obtained from Marie’s ship. But comments in future chapters pop up every so often about how bad these chapters were so I can't point to every single one.

Regardless, I've seen not one defense of how chapters 299 and 300 concluded, and quite a few criticisms and agreements with the criticisms. Among the WN readers, at least. LN sounds like it did a better job.