Mob Shisai dakedo, Kono Sekai ga Otome Game dato Kizuita node Heroine o Ikusei Shimasu - Ch. 14 - Almost a Year

[MadlySoldier]

MC dense aside, at least this manga and many other with similar premise nowadays do something that kind of avoiding the what caused older mangas with similar premise's infamy. By showing the "romance feeling, yes this is that kind of story" since the start, so it's not "I follow this story for years and suddenly it's that kind of manga? I wasted my times for story I dislike!"

 

[BrotherCoa]

For Reina there will only be daddy...

 

[Anonyan]

One part of me hopes this is just puppy love, the other part of me expects the author already had plans for this to be Usagi Drop’d

People always bring up Usagi Drop in situations like this, but its memetic qualities have spread so far that I feel like it's rare for people to even know what the whole drama with Usagi Drop actually was. I'm sure you didn't mean much by mentioning it but I think Usagi Drop really belongs in its own category of manga like Gal Cleaning which pissed off all the readers with its own drastic tonal shift. Bringing UD up whenever incest is mentioned kinda dilutes what made it such a big deal in the first place.

There's room in the heightened escapist fantasy space of fictional manga for non-blood-related incest plots, where all questions of problematic power dynamics and grooming and age gaps are brushed aside with the assurance that it was destined to happen and the parental figure has no ill intent and it's a true authentic love or whatever the fuck the justifications may be. There's even room for actual blood-related incest with actual malicious grooming. Most readers will find that disgusting, and rightfully so, but people can write whatever fiction they want and the onus is on the reader to choose what they consume and stop reading things that they obviously aren't going to like.

What made Usagi Drop so upsetting to so many was that it spent the entire first half of the story being purely about Daikichi learning to be a dad, almost no hints that it could be going in any other direction, with Rin's romantic feelings being extremely subtle if they even existed at all. Most readers were already committed to what they saw as a pure story about family by the halfway point where suddenly everything shifts and it's about a high school girl crushing on her father figure. And then, out of nowhere, comes what feels like the asspull of them not being blood related. Surprise!

Even then, people who were familiar with josei manga tropes saw it coming from miles away, another part of why Usagi Drop had so much impact was because it reached far beyond its intended demographic. Plus, despite the not-blood-related asspull, Daikichi was never her dad in the first place, he was taking care of who he thought was his grandpa's kid, so they thought they were blood related but he was never her actual father. He thought he was raising his half-aunt who was a fifth his age!
But I'm getting off track, point is, UD went down in history for basically jumpscaring people with incest after they'd already been reading for 44 chapters, and then not even having the balls to commit to it being incest with a contrived twist.

This manga has been extremely clear from the start that the dynamic is going to be Klael seeing Reina as a static protagonist that he's just pushing down some kind of story path, while Reina sees Klael as her future husband. He's not even really a father figure, he's a priest taking care of an orphan. Nobody has any right to complain that they didn't see it coming if the story goes down the daughterwife road. If seeing "daughterwife" just now gave you a feeling of deep disgust, that's a good thing, but you should probably just unfollow the manga now and forget about it.


Having read the WN... yeah, sorry, if you aren't open to daughterwife endings you're in for a bad time. I feel like this barely qualifies as a spoiler since the manga is already so blatant about how strong Reina's feelings are and it's obviously going to keep playing out this dynamic rather than have it be "just a phase," but if you have any hope that this might be a pure platonic familial love just throw that hope away now. Like c'mon man the manga has the romance + loli tags and everything.

 

[Wizardrone]

thanks for chapter

 

[Shrimperor]

man
I wish this story was more degenerate. It's too tame, too tame

 

[inverseflip]

what is his obsession with trying to get her hitched, she is a child

He's been isekai'd into an otome game, so he is still thinking of it that way, seeing if any potential route have started.

 

[Miserys_End]

Shrug, he loves in a world governed by rules that make it very different from the one he comes from, and he hasn't been around to observe much of how she interacts with the other kids, a status check isn't out of the question.

O . o;
What are you on about, he is a reincarnator who was reborn as a child in this one. So the different cultures angle doesn't fly here.

Also didn't stop my aunt's etc. asking about such things when I was her age...

And while I'll acknowledge girls inhabit the interwebs, I doubt you are one of them. Boys act very different as adolescents then girls.

And no, just because they play house with dolls or pretend as adults with a family, that in no way means an adult should start asking leading questions or teasing a child with such questions. Sure there might be some situations where there is an obvious unhealthy obsession that needs to be addressed, but not after the first time they interacting with a new group...

 

[Miserys_End]

He's been isekai'd into an otome game, so he is still thinking of it that way, seeing if any potential route have started.

NGL that would be rather stupid logic from a person with in-game knowledge. He knows her tragic backstory and how her school life is where the capture targets will be. So why would he do more then let her be a child while she still can.

 

[Lukitass]

Thanks for the chapter!

 

[Manko-sensei]

man
I wish this story was more degenerate. It's too tame, too tame

And the novel covers are such a letdown...

 

[DeadintheWater]

NGL that would be rather stupid logic from a person with in-game knowledge. He knows her tragic backstory and how her school life is where the capture targets will be. So why would he do more then let her be a child while she still can.

As dumb as it is, I'm pretty sure this is author induced stupidity. Specifically, I think the author is having Klael do this to make it absolutely clear that he is not interested in Reina romantically.

 

[BrotherCoa]

O . o
As a perent and now grand perent I have a slightly different take. While I'll agree puppy love is a thing, it is not something a perent or guardian should go out of their way to acknowledge or even instigate. Because all to often such things fade away just as quickly as they developed.

While I do respect your opinion, since you have achieved something that unfortunately vast majority of men alive today will only dream off (talking about experiencing becoming grandparent), your own experience do not fit here since the circumstances are very different.

Unlike MC here you have flirted with your girl, asked her out, loved her and your kids are result of that love. Then you protected your kids and led them in life, and from this they were able to find their own love and as a result of that you became grandparent. That is how usually goes for most people not only today but throughout history. But MC here is not most people unfortunately.

The MC only adopted Reina when she was already a girl of certain age, not fully grown up or a tennager but not a baby either. He does not have a wife in this world and we do not know if he had a family at all in his previous life. Meaning that he potentially lacks a ton of experience and obvious things that he should know, and not only that - but by being single father he lacks second point of view that his potential wife would give him. So not only can he not notice her love for him he will also not do anything to tone it down in order for it to fade away in time. Which will lead to inevitable outcome in the future, one that this manga is hinting hard at.

O . o;
What are you on about, he is a reincarnator who was reborn as a child in this one. So the different cultures angle doesn't fly here.

How so? I think they play the biggest part here.

He is reincarnator who also remembers his past life. And by such his entire personality is influenced and built by culture in which he lived and died before reincarnating, which in most cases (of course giving the medium) is 21st century Japan. And that means that unlike vast majority of people in that new world he will have much more moral views, you know: showing compassion, helping other people, doing what is the right thing - the trademark of liberal cultural views and rule that started from late 20th century and is still alive and effective today (although somewhat weakening due to current world affairs). Different cultural angle plays a bit part, becasue without his reincarnator knowledge and morals he would be what he was in the original game - mob boss who did not give a damn about Reina and let her to suffer.

 

[darslinac]

Exactly, i dunno why people think he's dense as if he has experience taking care of kids, who of sound mind and not evil will ever think that a kid sees u in a romantic way?

I dunno, probably the same kind of adult that would play matchmaker with... (I don't know how old they are exactly) presumably single digit age children, describing one kid they've seen for a grand total of probably less than a few minutes as "handsome" to her and tell her that it seems like he comes from a good family and how lovely of a couple they would make. Or anytime she interacts with literally any boy around her age, immediately asking her "SO ARE YOU GUYS GONNA FUCK OR WHAT?" (I'm paraphrasing, because he might as well be with how out of nowhere it is.)

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Unrelated, a small gripe I have with Klael as a character.

Personally, I just wish Klael was less self-loathing for no reason. He simultaneously believes he's an insignificant NPC with no influence on how future events will unfold whatsoever, while also behaving as if he needs to be the one to take an active role in caring for Reina and pushing her towards these events or they're not going to happen. If his brain is still so stuck in this mindset of "This Is How The Game Goes Therefore This Is How It Has To Be," then his actions don't make sense. He already made the executive decision to spare Reina from much of her torturous childhood by taking her in and teaching her. But boy howdy whenever there is any opportunity for him to use game-logic to denigrate himself, and pretend as if he has zero agency to alter the course of events as he has already done, he is absolutely going to use it, every single time. There's such a cognitive dissonance between what he's thinking and what he's doing.

I like the manga quite well, don't get me wrong. This is hardly an issue that can't be fixed, or ruins the series, but Klael seriously needs to grow a consistent sense of self-worth. He's all over the place, it's so annoying.

 

[Miserys_End]

As dumb as it is, I'm pretty sure this is author induced stupidity. Specifically, I think the author is having Klael do this to make it absolutely clear that he is not interested in Reina romantically.

Oh please don't misunderstand, I've been reading and watching Japanese media as saturday morning cartoons in the early 80s? ~Googles macross and voltron~ yepper since around then. So I'm well aware of how authors pass the idiot ball to their characters or try to lead the audience to the conclusions they want to make.

So other then my orignal complaint, I've been mostly responding to comments about cultural norms and how this interactions shouldn't happen IRL.

 

[Jatopian]

O . o
As a perent and now grand perent I have a slightly different take. While I'll agree puppy love is a thing, it is not something a perent or guardian should go out of their way to acknowledge or even instigate. Because all to often such things fade away just as quickly as they developed.

How is that a different take? Nothing you said is in conflict with what I said.

i literaly mentioned experience too, i was saying that only crazy and evil people will see kids in that way

And your problem is that you don't see the difference between merely realizing that it is happening and indulging or reciprocating it. You claim that merely noticing is crazy and evil.

 

[thycondrius]

girl was ready to blast the boys into outer space

 

[Serverclosed]

Aging like a fine wine.

 

[Miserys_End]

While I do respect your opinion, since you have achieved something that unfortunately vast majority of men alive today will only dream off (talking about experiencing becoming grandparent), your own experience do not fit here since the circumstances are very different.

Unlike MC here you have flirted with your girl, asked her out, loved her and your kids are result of that love. Then you protected your kids and led them in life, and from this they were able to find their own love and as a result of that you became grandparent. That is how usually goes for most people not only today but throughout history. But MC here is not most people unfortunately.

Nice of you to assume, but do go on.

The MC only adopted Reina when she was already a girl of certain age, not fully grown up or a tennager but not a baby either. He does not have a wife in this world and we do not know if he had a family at all in his previous life. Meaning that he potentially lacks a ton of experience and obvious things that he should know, and not only that - but by being single father he lacks second point of view that his potential wife would give him. So not only can he not notice her love for him he will also not do anything to tone it down in order for it to fade away in time. Which will lead to inevitable outcome in the future, one that this manga is hinting hard at.

While I've only directly raised my own kids, my extended family on both sides have had extensive experience dealing with the foster care system and adoptions. So it is true that I've never personally adopted an abused little girl in a fantasy world, that doesn't quite mean my life experiences doesn't include aspects that would directly relate to it.

How so? I think they play the biggest part here.

Because he has two lives worth of knowledge to draw from , so isn't ignorant of either cultures idiosyncrasies.

He is reincarnator who also remembers his past life. And by such his entire personality is influenced and built by culture in which he lived and died before reincarnating, which in most cases (of course giving the medium) is 21st century Japan. And that means that unlike vast majority of people in that new world he will have much more moral views, you know: showing compassion, helping other people, doing what is the right thing - the trademark of liberal cultural views and rule that started from late 20th century and is still alive and effective today (although somewhat weakening due to current world affairs). Different cultural angle plays a bit part, becasue without his reincarnator knowledge and morals he would be what he was in the original game - mob boss who did not give a damn about Reina and let her to suffer.

Well in this world he is the 5th son of a high noble, so he not only has a decent education but also a decent understanding of the culture of this world in addition to his life experiences in the previous one.

That being said he also has an extended community of people helping him. They were at least peripherally aware of the the abuse and neglect that was inflicted onto Reina, and have fallen to her charms over the last few months interacting with her as an Apprentice Acolyte at the church. So I think it's fair to say that the perents and grandparents that frequent the church would act as an offscreen sounding board for any failures he or they found or perceived. While true it's not directly shown in the story, they do seem to be a rather tight nit community that care.

 

[Miserys_End]

How is that a different take? Nothing you said is in conflict with what I said.

Because to me there is a rather large distinction between puppy love and a crush. One in more innocent and ignorant, while the other is definitely not. The former is safe to ignore, while the later is much less so.

Also this is not our first round of comments, so they will likely influence any response I might have.

 

[Jatopian]

Because to me there is a rather large distinction between puppy love and a crush. One in more innocent and ignorant, while the other is definitely not. The former is safe to ignore, while the later is much less so.

I don't think these are rigorously defined terms with a widely recognized distinction. Whatever the distinction is to you, I am not using that distinction.

Also this is not our first round of comments, so they will likely influence any response I might have.

Well, since I have no idea who you are, that comes off rather creepily personal. Regardless, it's better to respond to what someone actually said, rather than imagining what they might have said based on your impression of them.