Monogatari no Kuromaku ni Tensei Shite - Vol. 2 Ch. 8

[Happyfatkid90]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[QueenNether]

All of your points make a lot of sense, but I think you forget that a lot of stories like this have the reincarnated character lose control of their free will whenever game plot happens. which is what he could be worried about

 

[RanmaChaos]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[spamtrashed]

Thanks for all the hard work you put into scanlating for us! (^_^) I can't wait to read more!

 

[Wolvenworks]

Ah yes…plot (the bad kind)

 

[Ann2004]

It's always like this, isn't it.

MC: I will stay away from the story as much as possible so I won't die.
Something happened and now MC is given a choice between staying far away from the story or following it. And if he choose to stay away from it in this choice will guarantee his survival.
MC chooses to follow it.
Story progresses, MC is now facing the situation which would kill him.
MC: Why did this happen? Why did everything go wrong? I guess I can't escape the story after all.

 

[Terrate]

Or he was framed, and couldn't admit it without ruining his lover's reputation.

That’s good too! Hell, we don’t even know why mc is so fixated on him dying by following the route. The game literally ended saying that there’s a sequel, for all we know, it can even be a staged death of the girl and she’s most likely alive.

 

[The_Noblesse]

What a nice way to get out of the situation the MC was avoiding. Love it, hope it goes well like this further... Hope for the best for MC to not die .

 

[zerio]

Weird how hes so fixated on the events of the game and not on his own freewill, is his skill going to stab her out of some weird universal deterministic law? Or can he just.. not stab her.

Its a weird trope that's for sure, how they keep avoiding something which is literally entirely avoidable by simply not doing it ô_o Unless he'd be possessed by some ghost and lose his free will in which it wouldn't matter either way, but in those kinds of stories I often hope they break away from that early otherwise story gets rather annoying to read real fast x_x

Note that the game didn't state the reason why Len killed the saintess. Not to mention, MC didn't play as Len, but as the hero protagonist. So, he really had no idea what events that led to Len, a side character, becoming the enemy of the protagonist. In ch 0, it's mentioned that all of these are still mystery. These mysteries are supposed to be revealed in the unreleased 3rd game, but then MC got isekaied.

Now, he's reincarnated as a side character whose pov he didn't know much about, who was going to kill the saintess, and then got chased/hunted by the protagonist and the kingdom. He just didn't know the flow of events. Sure it's easy to just not stab someone. But what if things aren't that simple?

One example, what if in the game, it wasn't Len who killed the saintess, but he was made to be the scapegoat? We now know that the saintess and the hero faction don't see eye to eye, so I can see the possibility. How do you avoid the accusation? What exactly do you need to avoid in this case?

So, the easiest solution is to attempt to avoid everything all together by staying in the village. Sure, it doesn't seem to work now, probably the game trying to force events. But with his small amount of information, it sure was a valid approach.

 

[infernotez]

Big thing about these events is, the character that stabbed her is not him. He literally has a completely different personality to that of the games character, so just that would have drastic changes in the story.

I think part of it is thinking that the story will correct over time the deviations that they make to the story. It's a written story, it has an ending already, various different series that are similar run into the problem where even if they make big deviations, certain things will happen regardless although the details might change a bit.

 

[RamNubb]

Would he rather to spend life in peacefulness or make moves to the fmc and accidentally gone back to the original route 💀

 

[Kaarme]

well there could be several things forcing him to do it later which he is not aware of, he doesn't know how the events transpire or what could happen
cutting ties early on and evading the story completely is the safest choice in such a scenario since they might blackmail him or hold his family hostage later on, they might even use brainwashing/slavery magic on him

The problem is that as a speedrunner, he doesn't know as much as he might otherwise. It's possible that even if he wasn't a speedrunner, the game might not have bothered to elaborate, at least for now. It's entirely possible that the original Len did everything exactly the same, trying to stick to the village, but then something nightmarish happened, and the rest is history. I said it before, but at no point has the MC tried to ponder why the original Len became a villain. He just accepts it as the game setting, disregarding the fact every character is now a living, breathing human. So, there would be a reason for everything. Trying to isolate himself could as well be the worst thing he could do. It even ensures he doesn't have political influence and external sources of information.

 

[gorore]

The problem is that as a speedrunner, he doesn't know as much as he might otherwise. It's possible that even if he wasn't a speedrunner, the game might not have bothered to elaborate, at least for now. It's entirely possible that the original Len did everything exactly the same, trying to stick to the village, but then something nightmarish happened, and the rest is history. I said it before, but at no point has the MC tried to ponder why the original Len became a villain. He just accepts it as the game setting, disregarding the fact every character is now a living, breathing human. So, there would be a reason for everything. Trying to isolate himself could as well be the worst thing he could do. It even ensures he doesn't have political influence and external sources of information.

speedrunners are actually more knowledgable about the games they play than normal players though (they are mostly people who played the game and liked it enough to try and beat it as fast as possible, though repeated playthroughs and constant interaction with the game they come to know all of the little details that can be known in regards to its lore and characters)

one thing is that he has been training since he was basically a baby thanks to his memories, that training led to him saving his father then meeting the girl and then getting invited to the school
most likely scenario on og story would be that the father died, boy trained then got taken in by the guy who invited him to the school in which he met the hero and from there became a cultist after they understood his ability by feeding him people (might have told him that it'd revived his father if he killed enough) if things were to follow this scenario then simply accepting the invite is a chain event in which they will probably hold his family hostage and force him to act for them
trying to understand what happened in regards to him in the original route isn't as helpful because it inherently changes from the very first moment his thoughts and actions differ from it, every action causes a ripple effect which may stop or speed up things because everyone has their own conscience as you've said (and he doesn't even know what the original set of events for this characters' childhood is meant to be)

the other thing is that he has to be careful of "fate" or "forced events" per say in which no matter what he attempts to do he will always end up at the exact same point that its intended if certain requirements are met, simply put shutting himself in , never interacting with anything and hoping everything works out is the safest choice
but that last point just depends on the authors belief on how the story should go, "the world is a normal world and the events told in the game are just coincidences and nothing else" or "the world is the world of the story and will make the events happen in some sort of manner even if they differ regardless of anything"

also share the feelings of zerio's reply

 

[Kaarme]

speedrunners are actually more knowledgable about the games they play than normal players though (they are mostly people who played the game and liked it enough to try and beat it as fast as possible, though repeated playthroughs and constant interaction with the game they come to know all of the little details that can be known in regards to its lore and characters)

Yeah, speedrunners indeed have a high potential to know much of the game better than anyone, but not when the game is new and they try to create the first speedrun result. Then they would only be interested in game mechanics and glitches. No time to read books, talk to every NPC, and meticulously go through their dicussions for every piece of info and side quest. This story started with the speedrun of a brand new game.

one thing is that he has been training since he was basically a baby thanks to his memories, that training led to him saving his father then meeting the girl and then getting invited to the school
most likely scenario on og story would be that the father died, boy trained then got taken in by the guy who invited him to the school in which he met the hero and from there became a cultist after they understood his ability by feeding him people (might have told him that it'd revived his father if he killed enough) if things were to follow this scenario then simply accepting the invite is a chain event in which they will probably hold his family hostage and force him to act for them
trying to understand what happened in regards to him in the original route isn't as helpful because it inherently changes from the very first moment his thoughts and actions differ from it, every action causes a ripple effect which may stop or speed up things because everyone has their own conscience as you've said (and he doesn't even know what the original set of events for this characters' childhood is meant to be)

Unfortunately due to trying to make a record time, he most likely wouldn't know much of the original Len's background and any tragedies in his life. Which is evident now when he, really, doesn't know anything. Maybe he could have learned something in the game, maybe not. Perhaps his very actions will now spur the conspiracy, which will have his parents die, possible the whole village burn, and will make him a bitter man. Or at least made the original Len, who must have also been talented to become a major villain.

the other thing is that he has to be careful of "fate" or "forced events" per say in which no matter what he attempts to do he will always end up at the exact same point that its intended if certain requirements are met, simply put shutting himself in , never interacting with anything and hoping everything works out is the safest choice
but that last point just depends on the authors belief on how the story should go, "the world is a normal world and the events told in the game are just coincidences and nothing else" or "the world is the world of the story and will make the events happen in some sort of manner even if they differ regardless of anything"

also share the feelings of zerio's reply

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I believe it's utterly pointless to try to avoid forced events. If they really are that, they will happen nonetheless, so you might as well try to live your life fully before it happens. It's like a self-fulfilling prophesy: when you think you are avoiding it, you are actually heading for it with the accuracy a sharpshooter. It'd also be wise not to miss the forest when only staring at the individual trees: the point is Len killing Lycia. Does it really matter where it happens? If Len doesn't go to the mountain, the mountain will come to him. He might try to avoid the original story MC and Lycia by sticking to the village, but maybe that will result in those characters coming to his village instead. Lycia already is. Then he will be forced to know the original MC, and later end up as the apparent murderer of Lycia. There's no practical difference compared to the game story.

 

[W1770W]

thks for the chapter

 

[Pallington]

speedrunners are actually more knowledgable about the games they play than normal players though (they are mostly people who played the game and liked it enough to try and beat it as fast as possible, though repeated playthroughs and constant interaction with the game they come to know all of the little details that can be known in regards to its lore and characters)

one thing is that he has been training since he was basically a baby thanks to his memories, that training led to him saving his father then meeting the girl and then getting invited to the school
most likely scenario on og story would be that the father died, boy trained then got taken in by the guy who invited him to the school in which he met the hero and from there became a cultist after they understood his ability by feeding him people (might have told him that it'd revived his father if he killed enough) if things were to follow this scenario then simply accepting the invite is a chain event in which they will probably hold his family hostage and force him to act for them
trying to understand what happened in regards to him in the original route isn't as helpful because it inherently changes from the very first moment his thoughts and actions differ from it, every action causes a ripple effect which may stop or speed up things because everyone has their own conscience as you've said (and he doesn't even know what the original set of events for this characters' childhood is meant to be)

the other thing is that he has to be careful of "fate" or "forced events" per say in which no matter what he attempts to do he will always end up at the exact same point that its intended if certain requirements are met, simply put shutting himself in , never interacting with anything and hoping everything works out is the safest choice
but that last point just depends on the authors belief on how the story should go, "the world is a normal world and the events told in the game are just coincidences and nothing else" or "the world is the world of the story and will make the events happen in some sort of manner even if they differ regardless of anything"

also share the feelings of zerio's reply

speedrunners know more about the mechanics of the game, but they don't necessarily know as much about the plot or lore. Speedrunning rain world for example tells you approximately jack shit about the ancients, because nobody speedruns all pearls%, everyone does any%.

 

[Pallington]

regardless, the safest way to do things is not to hide in a corner, contra many people here, but to actively dig into things and figure out what the issue is, and try to gain initiative instead of passively reacting, smh. It's not easy, it's in fact a very hard mindset to get into, i understand, but if we wanted to talk on principle then we should get our principles straight; moving second is only better when you get a turn's worth of material incentive.

 

[NishaAzalea]

Bro how long will you not realize that you are in control of the body now?

Like yeah the character in the game betrayed the hero and killed the saintess.

But that's in the GAME!
You are now the one moving and taking control of the body.

Sure maybe there may come some circumstances that causes you to be forced into following the games storyline.

But you've already proven that you can change the games story when you met her too early.

Even if situations come, you can just decide not to betray the hero, to not kill the saintess, to not be the villain who is most suspected to have revived the demon king.

Why are you so stupid that you can't even realize this?

I swear it's like the mc thinks he's just gonna start moving without any control and start talking like a villain against his will.

 

[DooScoobyDoo]

Why these mcs don't understand that all these characters are living humans with emotions and their own story like his own home world including himself, not some program and pixels/polygons? (Same thing in that Mob Isekai which took him so long to understand). Even if he decided to not follow the storyline, surprising things will still happen but guess making them overpowered idiots are better 🤡

 

[kyself]

Annoying little brat indeed.