Move Faster on Tagging Manga for Sexual Violence

[Granitefish]

That's not a good argument, I've noticed that tags tend to get added by the mods even when they don't really exactly fit the entirety of the manga. I'm not sure they always actually check the manga before they add them. It's part of why I don't trust the tags as much anymore.

 

[Greenfrost]

Well, I read the chapter, and it seemed incredibly tame, at least be my standards. You could barely see anything. I get that some people are squeamish about certain things for different reasons; but, I think OP is expecting too much from unpaid volunteers. They have lives too.

 

[Pika]

I wonder why I never see these types of people in aggregator sites, but only on mangadex big thonk
MANGADEX IS A MISTAKE! THESE VOLUNTEERS ARE FCKING SLOW FOR MY BELOVED MANGA, THEY RUIN MY EXPERIENCE!

Dunno, mate. How did he survive the other sites where the tags are all over the place. I mean at least MangaDex got the decency to add these tags and even highlight it so you can easily see. Implicit rape probably needs the sexual violence tag for you.

I guess the shock factor the author intended worked perfectly!

 

[Yatsuki]

With that amount of content (you don't see the details + it was very short), maybe the translator should put a courtesy warning in the first page, but I also don't think it needs to be tagged with SV

 

[KMoore]

Are we gonna put everything with blood in it a Gore tag?

How about mangas like:
Assassination Classroom - Koro-sensei get his limbs shot off quite a lot.
D.Grayman - Someone gets his heart pierced by hand.
Naruto - Didn't someone with long white hair got f*** up by a certain group and didn't someone get ripped in half?


It seems ridiculous that every small thing that isn't even a focus to the story is added a "content tag". How about ecchi? are we just gonna add the ecchi tag one every freaking fan service? it seems far to strict without any context to actually justify adding such tags. This is incredibly worrying considering that those content tag are something that can be deciding factor whether to read the series or not.

Shouldn't there be like some sort of counter for repeat offenders? maybe after 3-4 times a content tag is shown it is added the tag? still not perfect but definitely better.

 

[crazybars]

@AbyssalMonkey

Yeah, that's really bad.

People are overusing the Trigger tags and spamming them too much already, I've seen too much Trigger tag spam already. If you slap a Trigger tag on a manga because of only one or two instances instead of looking at the Manga as a whole the Tag doesn't tell us anything anymore. I've already started ignoring the Gore and Sexual Violence tags already.


Well whatever, I will just Report poorly done Sexual Violence tags if I see them on something like Cestvs. (Seriously, who the hell would put Sexual Violence and Gore Tags on a manga about Greek Bois punching each other? It's not even a big part of the plot, anyone can see that. )

https://mangadex.org/title/3840/kentou-ankokuden-cestvs
https://mangadex.org/chapter/134676/1
https://mangadex.org/chapter/211745/3


(*Note, If I see some Gore or Sexual Violence tags pop up on Cestvs after this, I will laugh because that would prove my point. People are overusing Gore and Sexual Violence tags too easily for any sort of Sexual Assault or Bloody military Violence.)

 

[KMoore]

@crazybars The fact that I've been using those content tags to filter out mangas that may not even need those tags actually pissed me off. Those tags are basically non-existent for me now.

 

[crazybars]

@KMoore

Yeah, it's not gonna get any better. The tagging system just doesn't work well because there's no consistency when people add them. They're pretty much all over the place. Like is the Gore tag justified on this manga? Someone certainly thought so, I don't think so.

https://mangadex.org/title/7139/one-punch-man

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I guess I could post a thread on the subject in suggestions to ask for more concrete and consistent definitions for the Extreme Content Tags Sexual Violence and Gore, but it would too obvious where I got the inspiration for such a thread and draw attention to Oeconomist for no good reason.

Hmmmmmm. Maybe much later . . . yes.

 

[Kanami-chan]

How do you guys even survive real world if you need trigger warning in everything? fucking lol
@Pika is right. Why is it only in Mangadex that people bitch about this kind of shit? Interesting phenomenon.

 

[calvitre]

Perhaps, in cases like this, it would help to have a warning just in front of the chapter in question? It could be turned off, just like the warnings for missing chapters, but personally I’d really appreciate it. Like @Oeconomist said, it can really be ruining and quite literally triggering. I don’t think it’d be asking too much, maybe just a little red flag at the beginning or a popup (like with the missing chapters) that could be turned off. It would mean that the entire manga wouldn’t be labelled, since it’s not a major plot/central theme, but it would also keep us safe.

Oh, but I do think the hours thing can be a bit much, just with how much we’ve grown… Again, staff increase or something. But the principle of the suggestion I 100% stand by.

 

[sterven]

@calvitre
in other words you're asking for chapter specific tags i'm positive that's been rejected before and I don't want to dig it up.

 

[Oeconomist]

As far as I know, no one has demanded that the current admins increase their diligence. In my original entry, I wrote:

Possibly a special reporting button may be needed

It should be evident that some reports (as when a series has been mistagged “Yuri” when it should be “Shoujo Ai”) are of lower concern than are others, but in the absence of a special reporting process for some matters, or some automated filtration, the admins will be dealing with a slush pile of reports. (Increasing the number of admins is, of course, another possibility, but still leaves reports in a slush pile.)

 

[Nick86]

Giving credit to a minority of swj with a loud voice that whine for every stupid little thing is what will ruin active communities, MD is already on a worrysome road., is because in the past i suggest to not open to comments or you will end up as Batoto 2.0.
Other "aggregators" don't give a shit about such trivial matters, they post chapters, no matter the content, and do not care, readers will read what they want and discard what they do not like as it should be. You can't post comments or whine, this is how it is, take it or go somewhere else.
As much as you are going to please every complain you are already on the bottom of the barrel and is going to become even worse since you are easy to manage and more you easily accept complains more people will requests changes, censorship and such. Is just another reminder, like i did in the past for other complains.

 

[Pika]

Tbh priorities should be used when things really matter, like an official upload report or something... You know shit that can take down a whole site and make people get arrested, not on maybe someone got touched on a sore spot cuz that one or two pages had a shock factor on a generic manga.

It's a bummer that you don't like it and you react bad at it, but I don't think that this is an issue that needs priority. I mean just the fact that there's a report button for this kind of thing is already doing more than what other sites does.

 

[Oeconomist]

@AbyssalMonkey—

I quoted my words which contradict your claim. A hallucinated tone or the pretense of a hallucinate tone won't somehow trump those words. Take your misuse of prefabricated rhetorical templates elsewhere.

 

[Afiaki]

@Oeconomist

Move Faster on Tagging Manga

A demand

When a user has reported a manga as needing to be tagged

For the moderators.

That's it. You don't have to say "demand"; the tone is what makes it demanding.

 

[Oeconomist]

@Afiaki—

What I wrote: _Oeconomist:

no one has demanded that the current admins increase their diligence

And your pretense that my title in the Suggestions forum should somehow be read differently from every other title suggesting action in this forum is one more bit of disingenuousness.

A problem with you folk is actually the same as a problem with the SJWs that you despise: You think that you're entitled to cheat in arguing for what you're sure is the Greater Truth. That wouldn't be the case even were it a Greater Truth, but it's actually a mountain built mostly of many molehills of lies.

 

[Pika]

And now we're nitpicking!

To me it felt like a demand. Either stay on topic or just leave it be...

 

[KiTA]

One chapter with a single takeaway of a villainous monster doing something villainous and monstrous is no reason to flag an entire manga as having "sexual violence," Just like a single chapter of gender bending shenanigans in a fantasy manga isn't enough to get the entire manga flagged as such. To suggest otherwise is absolute madness.

No, just because you really hate the villainous and monstrous thing does not change this.

The site does not have the ability to flag individual chapters for tags, so this is as far as it can go really. Having said that, I rather like the idea of individual chapter tags, and maybe some way of highlighting chapters that have certain tags, like manga that aren't flagged H or ecchi but chapters that ARE being in bold or red or what have you, so you know not to read that chapter of Funny Fantasy Manga #512 on the bus, or someone who really doesn't want to see sexual violence can get a warning when opening the chapter.

Ultimately though, this seems like the sort of thing that asking translators to put in content warnings or -- ugh -- trigger warnings at the start of chapters might be the way to go. Failing that, maybe some mix of hardening up and seeking therapy on the part of the reader is warranted, especially if they are either having some form of metal breakdown at the idea of bad people doing bad things in fiction, or are pretending to have one for clout and attention.

 

[stareatmyname]

While I agree that the moderators shouldn't be placed on a time limit to update the tags of a given title, the whole concept of a content tag is to inform the potential reader or viewer about any potential content in the work itself. Just because it isn't the main focus doesn't mean it isn't there. The content tag is an entirely different thing compared to a genre tag; the latter describes the main theme of the work while the former can be objectively applied regardless of where, when, how and why the content appears.
This isn't about the "triggered" "tumblrinas" or "wokefags" (coming from someone who would go on for hours about the NWO or whatever to any willing listener), it's about basic expectations and common sense. If you're the type of person to take content tags seriously in the first place (like I sometimes do, cause it's a good indicator of how edgy the author can get), then it shouldn't even matter if the title only has a single panel of tits or unwanted penetration or that a bad guy did it so it never happened. Right now, the content tags are pretty damn useless because of the uncertainty surrounding the threshold at which the content tags are applicable.
What should happen is that the content tags should have genre tag equivalents that apply when the manga is primarily focused or places a significant focus on smut, rape or whatever it may be.