Mugen no Gunkan Yamato - Vol. 1 Ch. 3 - Air Raid on Tokyo

[MangaDex]

 

[razxiko]

Thanks for the translation!

 

[_Fallen_King_]

Wait wait the possibility of them winning has increased to 10% bc as we know American has the man power and the technology (and hatred ) to fight for at least 15 years while Japan has one big ship and umm “Ultimate attacks” and now a person from the future

 

[entity_101]

@_Fallen_King_ Wow! 10% I think you're being very optimistic there, I mean really? Is there any way a single battleship could actually change the history of the world, during a time it was shown they had already been outdone by carriers? In that example (I think it's an example of what the MC thinks is going to happen if they use the Yamato during the Doolittle attack) he says as if the Yamato could literally go againt a group of bombers and hit the USS Hornet that would clearly be way outside it's main guns range and all of that without being seen sighted before the attack, I say the Japanese chances go to -20% percent since she was destroyed by planes dropping bombs and torpedoes at her, and that was with her being accompanied by other battleships, destroyers, and cruisers, putting her alone against planes and that's the guy showing he never learned anything in history lessons or even tried to do a basic Google search about the only battle the Yamato actually took part for real, and the Japanese hearing that their creme de la creme battleship was sunk at the very start of the war would've been a huge, A HUGE damage to japanese morale

The Hornet and Enterprise launched the attack at Tokyo from 800 miles (1287,48 Km), the Yamato's main gun had a range of 42km (that's the main reason carriers were used they can attack without being attacked unless they're fighting another carrier), so the Yamato would've been sighted way earlier than the attack would happen and the strike would be called off or diverted to come from another direction, and that's considering it's alone (heck they might as well just change to bomb the hell out of the Yamato and then bomb Tokyo, gaining double the morale propaganda against Japan), that it's just plain stupid for a bunch of reasons because there would definitely be one or two extra battleships, with Destroyers and Cruisers to help with the anti-air attacks, and maybe a carrier, and even if the attack was launched (that wouldn't be launched due to something called scout planes) the Hornet and Enterprise would've already left their positions (And thatt's considering the Japanese could guess with 100% precision their positions without seeing the carriers) since the attack was literally a one way trip to Tokyo and then to China

In a nutshell, the guy is going to learn the hard why you learn history in school, and that a single battleship can't change history when it's was shown that it was built at the wrong time in history, and the meta had moved to carriers and torpedoes attacking from outside the range of a battleship guns

 

[_Fallen_King_]

@entity_101 fair enough let’s reduce it to 2% chance

 

[entity_101]

@_Fallen_king_ Nah, it's still too optimistic, let's make it -10% with the added bonus of giving the Yamato an earlier death

 

[_Fallen_King_]

@entity_101 alright japan stands at -5% of winning we can’t go lower

 

[entity_101]

@_Fallen_King_ We can always go lower than low... Make it -50%!

 

[_Fallen_King_]

@entity_101 unless u give me a essay of reasons why we should go below -5% we aren’t going lower

 

[entity_101]

@_Fallen_King_ The Yamato was destroyed by planes, in the only battle in participated for real, if the Hornet and Enterprise accidentally went against a lone Yamato during the Doolittle attack, as the MC says the Yamato should be used there, the two carriers would be definitely outside of Yamato’s main guns range, and the Yamato would definitely have no idea of were the carriers would be, while the Hornet and Enterprise, would’ve definitely accidentally find the Yamato with a scout plane

The Yamato was basically Japan’s Bismarck, their pride of the navy, main flagship, and extremely costly to make, so what would happen if their main flagship was sunk right at the start of the pacific war? A huge blow to morale, because it would also be combined with the bombing of Tokyo, and the army could even end up using the Yamato’s early sinking to convince the government to fund them and not the navy, to which it wouldn’t change very much or it would make the pacific war somewhat easier for the Americans, since the Japanese would be more demoralized due to Yamato’s early sinking

Now, with or without Yamato trying to intervene in the Doolittle attack, there wouldn’t be a lot of change in the war, if the Yamato’s is sunk then the MC lots it’s only connection to say anything else that happens in the war, making the war go basically in the same manner, but with a lower Japanese morale, if it’s not sunk, and by that it means it doesn’t intervene in the Doolittle attack, the MC could try to say that the Americans broke the Japanese code, but would anyone in the high command believe a crewmate of a ship that didn’t had any experience in code messaging? No, and the Japanese had one chance of finding out their code was broken, when the Americans sent some messages without any real strategic value to confirm that they had broke the Japanese secret codes, so the real change would definitely come if the Japanese won the battle of Midway, that even with that happened it would just be a setback to the Americans, since they would easily outproduce the Japanese, and the Yamato was supposed to participate in the battle of Midway, but couldn’t for a series of reasons

So that is my reasoning, a single battleship can’t make a nation win a war when the battleships were already obsolete, but it can cripple their own morale more than enough to make a difference when sunk

 

[_Fallen_King_]

@entity_101 after reading it can be concluded that that ur reasoning is understandable and correct thinking logically so Japanese possibility of winning has go down to: -25% ( unable to win unless plot armor intervenes)

 

[entity_101]

@_Fallen_King_ Or that the Author is one of those nationalists, so he'll pull some bullsh*it excuse from some 4ss. Or he'll be doing some satire on the wet dreams of Yamato battleship fans. But definitely, the plot armor will save the Yamato here, though probably with a bunch of plot holes in that plot armor of that plot ship

 

[RobottiZombi]

Cheers for the chapter~

 

[entity_101]

I just found a. video about the Yamato, and wow! It's worse than I expected, first, it's armor was relatively worse (and especially weak to torpedoes) compared to The British (and even Germans!) battleships, second before 1944/45, it had few AA guns and some of them considered as one of the worst AA guns and all needing visual sight for shooting, and third, it joined the fleet by May 1942 making it completely unable to try and stop the Doolittle attack as the MC said it should

So basically the Yamato was definitely more of a great idea on paper, but greatly underperforming in actual use

 

[greatninja3]

in this timeline the USA didn't have radar

and it won't solve the fact that Japanese pilot on that time are all shit so if they won't die in midway they will die somewhere else