Mushoku Tensei ~Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu~ - Ch. 108 - Strategy meeting

[Astra_Starwalker]

Zenith outlined that she didn't want Paul to ever lay his hands on another woman, and he did it anyway. She established clear boundaries and he betrayed them, whilst fully knowing it would hurt her. It doesn't matter what real Japanese women's perspective on sex is, or even what Paul's perspective on it is, because at the end of the day he disregarded her feelings. When you love someone earnestly, you don't do that.

The point I made with the Japanese women's perspective just completely flew over your head.
It was meant to show you how you (or Zenith's) view on this topic might be different from someone else's view on the topic.

Anyway, I'm agreeing to disagree here, as I did with my last paragraph in the comment you replied to, too.
Have a good day/evening/night.

 

[musicfreak12]

Wow. This is literally, beat by beat, just a scene from anime.

You should save yourself the wait and just watch the anime, it's like 10 15 chapters ahead of the manga and it's better (because it moves and talks and what not)

I used to just read the manga too but I just finished the anime last month and I think it's a better way to do mushoku tensei now 🤷‍♂️

 

[popo53414]

 

[Evidenox]

This would be so much better if I could care about Paul at all positively. But between his absolutely horrible “parenting”, history of sexually assaulting women, infidelity, and generally crappy behavior, I just can’t be concerned with him.

I mean he's just Rance. No seriously, he's just a color-inverted Rance. Rance wears green clothing and a white cape, Paul wears white clothing and a green cape. It really explains a lot

 

[Northern]

A lot of comments here are going to look kind of dumb in the next chapter or two. I still can't believe there are folks who didn't watch the anime.

 

[twinklecake]

Paul is a garbage person and a shit character too.

 

[vedrit]

I don't know if the reverse would get a worse response or not, honestly, I don't think there would be much difference.
Also, while it's true that it was a massive betrayal, especially because Zenith had warned him already not to lay hands on the maid, as she knew he had a tendency to lay hands on women that looked good, that betrayal doesn't in itself mean that he loves Zenith any less.

If we look at places like Japan, for instance, where some of the women that were interviewed were asked "how would you feel if your man went and had sex with a prostitute?" answered various versions of "I wouldn't mind, it's not like he loves this prostitute, he paid to have sex with her to relieve his sexual frustration, that's all." because they knew that at the end of the day, they were the ones their man loved, and they are the ones that their man would always come back to.

What matters in this comic was his actions after the betrayal, and I would say he did more than make up for his betrayal, he stepped up and became a better man and took responsibility, even grew positive from it because he understood what he had done was wrong and regretted it.

This is a good point. Historically, Japan had a very different view of sex than Western (Christian) countries and cultures

 

[Zulmat]

Well...he's


An Apostle of the Hitogami, alongside Badigadi and Luke

Wait... Luke too? What has he ever done for hitogami btw?

 

[tnemmoComment]

Can someone explain pages 5 and 6 to me without spoilers, please?
I couldn't understand his reasoning because I don't remember what moment or conversation he was talking about.

I know someone else already answered, but I interpreted Rudy's concern slightly differently.

Rudy is puzzled by Geese's second line.

Roxy fell into a trap in the same labyrinth Zenith had disappeared in...

How come Geese was confident that Zenith's disappearance happened specifically within the labyrinth? That's not something that can be known, unless one also knew she could not have had an opportunity to leave the labyrinth town. We now know that Zenith did in fact not have an opportunity to leave because she got encased in a crystal. So maybe Geese somehow knew about the crystallization all along.
And as the other reply put it, Geese knowing about it beforehand would be suspicious, because he couldn't possibly have heard about it from other people.

…but as Rudy put it, it might just be being nit-picky with his choice of words (eg saying "had disappeared in" vs "was last sighted at").

 

[Drake98]

Its official, i hate paul

 

[NotSomeone]

What you are talking about all comes down to your own culture, life-style, and view of things, for some people love and sex are so separate that they know it doesn't matter how many their SO has sex with, because they know their SO only has love for their SO and no one else.

On the other hand, you have those that view sex and love basically as strongly interconnected, so much so that you should only ever have sex with the person you love, no one else, and if you have sex with someone else that means you no longer love your SO.

In the case of Zenith and - I forget his name... - her husband, they are basically on complete opposite ends of the spectrum from each other, Zenith is very religious in her views of sex, love and marriage, where she believes you should only ever have sex with the one you love and plan to marry - I forget if she had him wait until they were married before she let him have sex with her or not.

While he didn't really care about all of that, to him sex was just sex, while love was something entirely separate and something I think only Zenith was able to make him feel. To him, sex was just a means to relieve his frustrations and have fun, nothing more. It wasn't until after he married Zenith that he started doing his best to control himself and remain faithful to Zenith despite having sex with only one person was entirely against who he was as a person, and then he inevitably ended up failing to stay faithful once one of his previous sexual companions (maid) - reluctant on her part, as I believe I remember she was against it at first, but then just reluctantly accepted it - from their adventuring days came to live with them as their maid.

He obviously betrayed Zenith, and what he did was obviously wrong, we're likely not disagreeing on that part, where we seem to disagree is when it comes to whether him having had sex with someone else is a sign of little love for Zenith or not, I'm of the mind that it changes nothing in terms of how much he loved Zenith, that he loved Zenith immensely before he had sex with the maid, and loved Zenith just as much as before, and even more so because she decided to forgive him and give him a chance to prove himself a changed man.

It's because he betrayed Zenith that I'd argue that his love for her was not as immense as you proclaim it to be. It didn't really had to be sex really, it could be any other number of things, the fact is that his desire to do something outweighed the trust built between them.
But that was Paul at a point in time. We don't disagree that he betrayed Zenith and we also don't disagree in the fact that he changed and decided to do better after his colossal blunder.
If anything I think Paul loves Zenith more now than he did then.

 

[lymewash]

I'm so glad I finished the LN like 2 years ago so I don't have to wait on this shit or be spoiled anymore.
I highly recommend anyone else that likes this series to just read the book and get it over with. It's going to be 10+ years of waiting on the manga to finish, if not longer. There's no way they're ever going to even finish the anime.

 

[dereth]

If we look at places like Japan, for instance, where some of the women that were interviewed were asked "how would you feel if your man went and had sex with a prostitute?" answered various versions of "I wouldn't mind, it's not like he loves this prostitute, he paid to have sex with her to relieve his sexual frustration, that's all." because they knew that at the end of the day, they were the ones their man loved, and they are the ones that their man would always come back to.

I don't think their response came from some kind of stoic belief in their marriage or something like that.

AFAIK, family relationships in Japan are all kinds of fucked up, from cheating being normalized due to frequency (particularly cheating from women), to husbands pretty much being absent from home due to insane work hours and being unable to fulfill their roles as husbands and fathers. The meme about the salaryman being a glorified wage slave is not far from the truth.

So when they say that they "wouldn't mind", it most likely means that they are either cheating on their husbands already, considering it or just numb to the idea of "being unfaithful" due to their surroundings.

 

[Keplite]

It's still hard to believe that Paul cares for Zenith so much when you know he didn't hesitate to knock up the help.

stop spamming the same thing in every chapter, dumbass

 

[Zarabas]

So geese is a traitor?

Maybe, or maybe he was just too ashamed to admit that Zenith is in that situation because of his failure.

 

[Casshern]

I'm really surprised they used his correct Greek name, Heracles, and not his Roman one, Hercules

 

[adfjs]

Yeah, but one would hope your love would outweigh your desires.
I mean, how much do you really love someone if you can't keep it in your pants for the sake of, you know, not betraying her?

Paul was drunk when she seduced him. I'm not defending the act itself, but talking as if he was in sound enough mind to make a decision isn't logical either.

 

[AlphaDovah]

I mean he's just Rance. No seriously, he's just a color-inverted Rance. Rance wears green clothing and a white cape, Paul wears white clothing and a green cape. It really explains a lot

I had to google who you meant. Lol

 

[Grye]

alright guys i'm looking forward to next chapter! We got this

 

[Cisco55987]

I get why he has little to no love for his pops but come on not giving a fuck about your mom kinda hope one of his kids pay him back for that one.