Musume no Tomodachi - Vol. 5 Ch. 37 - Anonymous Complaint

[Kalamel]

@sirflimflam

Yes, sadly company can take a big hit just by accusation of employee behaviour, but take relatively much lighter hit for firing employee based on only accusation. Much less when the person in question isn't a key worker. In that case, unless proven without a doubt that it is a false accusation, punish him is always better option for the company.

In this case though, proven without a doubt is pretty much impossible. And from what I heard about Japanese society, false accusation is more than enough.

Btw, while I completely agree that what he did is wrong, legally, I also believe that he wasn't in the proper mental state to avoid it. It is clearly his responsibility to maintain his mental state per said, but we all know it is impossible to do it exactly 100%. What happens to him is pretty much mental health equivalent of a fetal accidents. What the mother is doing is also equivalent of homicide, mentally.

Ironically, her accusation about effects of his alleged crime can be applied to her perfectly.

 

[0nca]

This is so fucked dude, now i can really understand why men are 3-4X more likely to commit suicide, and how abusive people can so unnoticed.

 

[jazz9]

The dude went on dates and kissed a naked 16yo in a hotel room.
Even if she was the initiator, you don't end up in those situations if you really don't want to.

 

[Tamerlane]

I knew what was going to happen from the title alone and I already hated it.

Let the man just have a break, for the love of god.

Also, that mom just ain't right. She's the type that would send the twitter mob after people.


Technically not illegal. You can date someone who is a minor, you just can't have sex with them, and by Japanese law, you just can't have vaginal intercourse with them. (Though, prefecture law may change this) (Also, I don't think she was completely naked at the time.) Also, I can imagine quite a few ways that you could end up in those situations even if you really didn't want to. @jazz9

(I should also note, whilst I don't know the prefecture law, in my state the Age of Consent is 16. They also had a prior relationship. That changes the circumstances a little.)

 

[Varler]

Are people still going to be defending the mother after all this? Taking away the daughter's shoes so she's locked in the house, trying to ruin this guy's life off of nothing more than a hunch and insubstantial and easily misinterpreted "evidence." She's messed up.

 

[jazz9]

@Tamerlane

That's the thing though.
She didn't knock him out and dragged his body in the room or force him at all for that matter.

And I'm not even talking about the legal side of it.
A 40 something with a naked 16yo in a hotel room.....yikes

Just imagine that's your daughter there, would you be ok with it?
I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd beat the hell out of him

 

[Tamerlane]

There's a difference between someone subjectively being uncomfortable with an idea and that idea being intrinsically wrong, or unethical.

And the context changes it. When you remove the context, you make it out to sound like he's engaging in predatory behavior, when he is very clearly not and refuses to engage in any sexual activity with her. She's the one that brings him to dates and in the hotel, she was the one to undress even if he told her not to.

Also, a 40-year-old may sound weird and gross in the modern age, but that is a luxury only modern times have granted us. When looking back on human history, that age-gap is not too uncommon. Add that to the fact the one pursuing the relationship is the younger one, and the age-gap doesn't seem as disconcerting because the unspoken stereotype of the older person taking advantage of ht naive, younger party is no-longer applicable.

Appealing to emotions (i.e. "what if it was your daughter?") only confuses the issue, but does not outline a principle or really make a concrete point beyond trying to make someone justify it by making them feel a certain way without thinking through the situation.

You're making a subjective argument, which is fine for you, but don't project it onto them. @jazz9

 

[uwaktere]

i know it will coming, but fuck it. I really want to punch that bitch right now

 

[PedroSimao002]

Another week, another chapter wanting to punch this manga’s characters in the face...

 

[fernaldi01]

@jazz9 if you're talking about imagining things, why don't you imagine if you're in their shoes?
Imagine you're a middle-age man getting fed up with both work- and family-matters without anyone to talk with.
Imagine you're a teenage girl having a freak mother.

I agree the middle-age man had made wrong decisions along the way, but I believe he wouldn't do that mistake if he's living in a privileged lifestyle full of love from his family.

 

[jazz9]

@fernaldi01 I can assure you there'd be zero scenario in which I'd start a relationship with a teen

 

[Uvenam]

@jazz9

Where can I learn to be so savage?

 

[fernaldi01]

@jazz9 good for you, then.

 

[Zhou]

This fucking mother needs to be dealt with.

 

[Tamerlane]

There's always a situation in which anyone will do anything, it just takes the right factors all pushing them into a certain direction, as horrible as it may seem.

For instance, you say that there's not a situation that you can imagine where you would ever get into a relationship with a teen. (We'll assume that excludes people over the age of consent for reasons.)

Consider:
-Someone who is a daughter of or is a famous ruler with immense power and influence (dictator, royalty, etc.) and basically puts a gun to your head to marry them. Social and political pressures are forcing you to comply, possibly because of rank or of familial influences. I bring this up because this is most often the case both historically and internationally.
-You are isolated from the rest of the world, but you still seek companionship and intimacy. One day someone shows up and is interested in a relationship.
-Your life and life of others would be put into peril if you don't enter a relationship with this person.


What I'm trying to get at is everyone has a breaking point in which they will be forced to violate their own principles in a way that most would be considered justified, even if those without context may scoff at it. That's what makes for interesting conflict.

Hell, the entire book Lolita is based on this concept and the ethical dilemmas and it was considered one of the most influential works of the 20th century.

@jazz9

 

[relic626]

@jazz9 you know what the manga is about, why are you here bitching? lol
Just unfollow and move along, you're not presenting any constructive conversation.

 

[orochijes]

Oh my god, that letter is such a boomer thing to write.

 

[relic626]

Honestly the mother is sooo over bearing, i'm not mad at the report she obviously made.... however the problem lies with the intent, she isn't doing it to protect her daughter. because she has a daughter complex and wants the daughter all to herself, i believe even if it were a male of her daughter's age she would not be okay with it, by what has transpired so far.

 

[RigobertoParedes]

Oh god, pls someone kill that hag

 

[sad_historian]

Mother's name must be Karen.