Namaiki na Gal Ane wo Wakaraseru Hanashi - Ch. 68 - 『Worst 1』

[cajones]

Woah, I guess hag solidarity really is a thing. You'd rather pay an arm and a leg to have some cunt give you empty advice than just deal with your problems yourself. Maybe the two of you can bond over your lack of eggs; I'm sure it's a common problem nowadays. If only you had gotten married and had kids sooner, I'm sure most of these mental afflictions wouldn't exist. Maybe you'd have a husband to listen to your worthless troubles rather than some stuck-up woman hounding for your money.

Sorry, I'm a big boy and can handle my own problems. If I wanted to pay a woman for her time, I'd use her for her body and not her brain.

You definitely sound just like a big boy, that's for certain, and absolutely inspire confidence you can handle your own problems.

Fix your life, man.

 

[Xelarion]

[Yaps in circles before repeating my entire previous message while missing the point]

You failing to have empathy for people outside your worldview proudly is not a achievement. Please leave the conversation if you're going to spend the entirety of it cherry-picking contention points and moral grandstanding about--again--someone else's lived experience that you want so badly to have a say in.

I'm not even going to quote my previous post, since you only read direct replies:

I'm not here to play devil's advocate or change anyone's opinions; don't put words in my mouth when you can't control what comes out of your own.

Should I suddenly cry over your mental health issues because they're suddenly front and center? You're not someone I care about with a problem I can see solutions to. Do you have any people in your life that deserve your help, even if you cannot possibly relate to their struggles?

I'm not here going to bat for your politicians or your Hollywood Epsteins, or your preachers and priests considering the state of Christianity; I have people I care about with a problem that doesn't need instant dismissal because people like you have your comfort bubble that you're desperate to not have popped by other people brushing past you, people who know what they're compelled to is wrong and seek whatever methods they can to prevent themselves from becoming the actual end problem you're so rallied to hate despite not giving a fuck about the details.

If you don't give a shit--which you have made perfectly clear--then stay in that bubble and keep your nose out of the brown. Noone needs a blind Yes Man to prop up their argument with empty "but me too" platitudes.

 

[Michika]

I'm not here to play devil's advocate or change anyone's opinions;

Feeling sexually attracted to drawings that depict children is wrong.

 

[Xelarion]

Feeling sexually attracted to drawings that depict children is wrong.

So you're also going to start cherry-picking what soapbox you think nets you an objective standpoint?

Even if I play this on the nose, I can rebut your broad statement with the only question you can't answer objectively: By who's standards?

Neither I nor the majority of your potential readers made your moral standards the baseline, you just happen to wield something approximate to the common consensus for the sake of blindly condemning others. Your exceedingly flimsy standpoint wouldn't even hold up in a civil case due to the simple fact that the interpretation of art in any manner is subjective and sits on the grayest legal area possible, where you need definitive proof to flip the issue one direction or the other.
Even if I agree that there is a problem, we do not universally agree on what, or the harm caused, or the proper solutions; what kind of point do you even prove saying "_____ is wrong" when your entire argument breaks down at the sign of proper opposition?
Don't think I haven't been reading the other comments, this has devolved into a "nuh-uh" competition of insults and mudslinging the moment you're met with a single comprehensive view--should I take you seriously just because your morals match what people pretend the baseline is?

I see many shades of grey between the colors, nevermind the black and white. I agree that people having any kind of sexual attraction to real-world children or their hyper-realistic depictions is wrong. And that's not a hard stance to have!

But the buck stops there, because I am neither ignorant nor bigoted enough to blame every person with a mental disorder for the bad actors sharing the same issue.

Should every single kleptomaniac have their hands cut off to stop stealing? Would it be fine starving every single person with a large appetite? Should I start shooting couples in the street who have an age gap over five years?

Do I start doxxing ignorant people because they can't tell the difference between static pixels on a screen and real-world people?

For the Third Time:

Thank you for the chapter.

Weird-as-absolute-fuck direction you felt the explicit need to pivot to, my fucking word...

 

[Michika]

So you're also going to start cherry-picking what soapbox you think nets you an objective standpoint?

Even if I play this on the nose, I can rebut your broad statement with the only question you can't answer objectively: By who's standards?

Neither I nor the majority of your potential readers made your moral standards the baseline, you just happen to wield something approximate to the common consensus for the sake of blindly condemning others. Your exceedingly flimsy standpoint wouldn't even hold up in a civil case due to the simple fact that the interpretation of art in any manner is subjective and sits on the grayest legal area possible, where you need definitive proof to flip the issue one direction or the other.
Even if I agree that there is a problem, we do not universally agree on what, or the harm caused, or the proper solutions; what kind of point do you even prove saying "_____ is wrong" when your entire argument breaks down at the sign of proper opposition?
Don't think I haven't been reading the other comments, this has devolved into a "nuh-uh" competition of insults and mudslinging the moment you're met with a single comprehensive view--should I take you seriously just because your morals match what people pretend the baseline is?

I see many shades of grey between the colors, nevermind the black and white. I agree that people having any kind of sexual attraction to real-world children or their hyper-realistic depictions is wrong. And that's not a hard stance to have!

But the buck stops there, because I am neither ignorant nor bigoted enough to blame every person with a mental disorder for the bad actors sharing the same issue.

Should every single kleptomaniac have their hands cut off to stop stealing? Would it be fine starving every single person with a large appetite? Should I start shooting couples in the street who have an age gap over five years?

Do I start doxxing ignorant people because they can't tell the difference between static pixels on a screen and real-world people?

For the Third Time:

Thank you for the chapter.

Weird-as-absolute-fuck direction you felt the explicit need to pivot to, my fucking word...

Being attracted to children is bad, And if you need someone to explain why, go to a psychologist.

 

[Xelarion]

Being attracted to children is bad, And if you need someone to explain why, go to a psychologist.

I genuinely did expect better... Well, at least I won't feel bad for your future.

You have my condolences.

 

[Michika]

I genuinely did expect better... Well, at least I won't feel bad for your future.

You have my condolences.

 

[Loliphilosophy]

Whenever I see a rant like this a count down for allegations of grooming minors on Discord or Roblox starts ticking.

They're always projecting and grandstanding.

 

[Darkdoom123]

Translator crash out has people realizing that their opinions are not the best sometimes. News at 11.

 

[Michika]

Translator crash out has people realizing that their opinions are not the best sometimes. News at 11.

I don't know if people get angry because I tell them that being aroused by fictional children is wrong... I'm not the one who's wrong here.

 

[Enju_Anasenko]

Virtue signalling in a TL sure is a choice... yikes

 

[cajones]

You failing to have empathy for people outside your worldview proudly is not a achievement. Please leave the conversation if you're going to spend the entirety of it cherry-picking contention points and moral grandstanding about--again--someone else's lived experience that you want so badly to have a say in.

I'm not even going to quote my previous post, since you only read direct replies:

I'm not here to play devil's advocate or change anyone's opinions; don't put words in my mouth when you can't control what comes out of your own.

Should I suddenly cry over your mental health issues because they're suddenly front and center? You're not someone I care about with a problem I can see solutions to. Do you have any people in your life that deserve your help, even if you cannot possibly relate to their struggles?

I'm not here going to bat for your politicians or your Hollywood Epsteins, or your preachers and priests considering the state of Christianity; I have people I care about with a problem that doesn't need instant dismissal because people like you have your comfort bubble that you're desperate to not have popped by other people brushing past you, people who know what they're compelled to is wrong and seek whatever methods they can to prevent themselves from becoming the actual end problem you're so rallied to hate despite not giving a fuck about the details.

If you don't give a shit--which you have made perfectly clear--then stay in that bubble and keep your nose out of the brown. Noone needs a blind Yes Man to prop up their argument with empty "but me too" platitudes.

Yea, like I said, the gaslighting isn't going to work on me. "I feel bad, so you can't criticize my desire to jack off to kids" is never going to be a valid sentiment, no matter how much you pontificate or tergiversate about oppressive social norms.

I'll say it again: mental health disorders are not a hall pass for terrible or deviant behavior. You seek treatment specifically to stop the deviant behavior. You don't continue just keep endulging in the undesirable behavior. This isn't like methodone for an addict, and it never will be: it's just the heroin itself.

Seek actual help from a professional. The mental gymnastics you're going through to validate jacking off to kids instead of just going to therapy it's unsuprising and yet still insane.

 

[cajones]

I don't know if people get angry because I tell them that being aroused by fictional children is wrong... I'm not the one who's wrong here.

They get angry because they're addicts being told to seek actual help instead of taking another hit. If you've ever had to deal with an addict of any kind, you see the patterns. "It's just a picture!" is psychologically identical to "So what if I have a few drinks after work?!"

 

[Xelarion]

Continues to ignore any and all points that contradict their "just go get help" hardline

Again, do not put words in my mouth when you're not capable of doing more than repeating the same tired lines. If I express at any point my own personal preferences, you'll see me actually stating so implicitly. You spend far too much time trying to pivot this into a personal argument.

Mental Health disorders are not easy nor cheap to treat. Telling people "just get professional help" shows just how unqualified you are at even considering the conditions it takes to receive that help.
Will you personally fund every individual's rehabilitation? Will you reach out to and find those hidden individuals who are only attracted to drawings to offer them aid?
I repeat, again, it isn't as simple as "just get help." It takes a decently deep economic well just to treat common PTSD symptoms; do you think the cost suddenly drops because the mental disorder becomes a moralistic issue?

People don't refuse psychiatric treatment because they're universally comfortable with their condition--most are poor, without community, without self-sufficiency and many are like yourself completely set in their ways believing that they are unilaterally right in their life choices. Bitching about how it's "validation" reeks of entitlement to your own experience, nevermind your standing in life where your problems have nearly never intersected with those of people you don't personally know.

I will say this again--if you have no actual room to talk, please excuse yourself. I'm not the only person who can see how lacking you are in the ability to rationalize beyond your personal life. You don't solve problems by saying "not my problem, _____ is bad" and calling it a day.

 

[Michika]

Again, do not put words in my mouth when you're not capable of doing more than repeating the same tired lines. If I express at any point my own personal preferences, you'll see me actually stating so implicitly. You spend far too much time trying to pivot this into a personal argument.

Mental Health disorders are not easy nor cheap to treat. Telling people "just get professional help" shows just how unqualified you are at even considering the conditions it takes to receive that help.
Will you personally fund every individual's rehabilitation? Will you reach out to and find those hidden individuals who are only attracted to drawings to offer them aid?
I repeat, again, it isn't as simple as "just get help." It takes a decently deep economic well just to treat common PTSD symptoms; do you think the cost suddenly drops because the mental disorder becomes a moralistic issue?

People don't refuse psychiatric treatment because they're universally comfortable with their condition--most are poor, without community, without self-sufficiency and many are like yourself completely set in their ways believing that they are unilaterally right in their life choices. Bitching about how it's "validation" reeks of entitlement to your own experience, nevermind your standing in life where your problems have nearly never intersected with those of people you don't personally know.

I will say this again--if you have no actual room to talk, please excuse yourself. I'm not the only person who can see how lacking you are in the ability to rationalize beyond your personal life. You don't solve problems by saying "not my problem, _____ is bad" and calling it a day.

We just said that being sexually attracted to drawings that depict minors is wrong

 

[Xelarion]

We just said that being sexually attracted to drawings that depict minors is wrong

And I just said "Life ain't that simple."

Would you prefer I said "Grow up" to spice up the reply?

 

[Michika]

And I just said "Life ain't that simple."

Would you prefer I said "Grow up" to spice up the reply?

I would tell you to "Grow Up" because, yes, the world is gray, but I don't know, there are many shades of black when it comes to attraction to real or fictional minors. Psychological help is necessary. I understand you like to contradict everyone, but this is not the time.

 

[cajones]

Again, do not put words in my mouth when you're not capable of doing more than repeating the same tired lines. If I express at any point my own personal preferences, you'll see me actually stating so implicitly. You spend far too much time trying to pivot this into a personal argument.

Mental Health disorders are not easy nor cheap to treat. Telling people "just get professional help" shows just how unqualified you are at even considering the conditions it takes to receive that help.
Will you personally fund every individual's rehabilitation? Will you reach out to and find those hidden individuals who are only attracted to drawings to offer them aid?
I repeat, again, it isn't as simple as "just get help." It takes a decently deep economic well just to treat common PTSD symptoms; do you think the cost suddenly drops because the mental disorder becomes a moralistic issue?

People don't refuse psychiatric treatment because they're universally comfortable with their condition--most are poor, without community, without self-sufficiency and many are like yourself completely set in their ways believing that they are unilaterally right in their life choices. Bitching about how it's "validation" reeks of entitlement to your own experience, nevermind your standing in life where your problems have nearly never intersected with those of people you don't personally know.

I will say this again--if you have no actual room to talk, please excuse yourself. I'm not the only person who can see how lacking you are in the ability to rationalize beyond your personal life. You don't solve problems by saying "not my problem, _____ is bad" and calling it a day.

Drawing the logical conclusion of your argument isn't putting words in your mouth just because you don't like how it aounds when someone else says it. Absolutely nothing you've said changes the fact that the solution to non-offending pedophlic ideation is therapy, and all your tergiversating cannot change that. You're not some deeply sympathetic and open-minded champion for a hapless, oppressed group. You're just making the same endless excuses every addict makes for themselves and other addicts. "It's hard for me to seek help!" is never going to be a valid solution to any problem. The sympathy and understanding offered to non-offending pedos is telling them to seek therapy, not giving them a hall pass to keep offending. Letting the mentally unwell and socially ostracized pedos engage in the act that makes them unwell and socially ostracized isn't a real solution for obvious reasons, even as presumed prophylaxis (which it's not). The cause of the problem is not the fix for the problem. No reasonable person would claim that.

I feel like it's necessary to repeat that the solution to the problems associated with being a pedo is to stop being a pedo and seek help to do that, and will never be to continue indulging in the stuff that makes them unwell and socially ostracized. That's the reasonable stance anyone actually trying to help would have. Instead you're just gaslighting people who tell pedos to seek help by asserting, in place of an actual argument, they're asympathetic or closed minded for not just letting pedos indulge in the exact cause of their problems as some supposed prophylaxis. And, again, the gaslighting isn't going to work on me, champ. Try a different argument.

And you can claim all day that this isn't about you, but hit dogs holler, bud. Seek professional help, because that's the only valid solution.

 

[Xelarion]

I would tell you to "Grow Up" because, yes, the world is gray, but I don't know, there are many shades of black when it comes to attraction to real or fictional minors. Psychological help is necessary. I understand you like to contradict everyone, but this is not the time.

I am at best contradicting you, some unspoken audience to this debacle of your own making, and one other vocal person.
You are assumed to be an adult, in an adult space where the majority of the adults you put these opinions in front of do not care for you using your work to soapbox morality to them about what should never have been your personal business in the first place.

For the sake of not dragging this out further, I will be addressing both you and "cajones" from here on, and referring to the latter as Big Balls, given the translation.

Most of everything that needed to be said was done on page one of these comment; indulging you and Big Balls over here was my own choice, but you have done yourself no favors or any kind of tangible progress preaching morality from a Legal Grey Area scantilations forum.

Going back to one of my previous replies to you, nothing you've said here is objective truth--just common consensus being wielded like a bludgeon against people who would likely agree with some of your thoughts if you weren't so inarticulate. It doesn't help that your logic is at best elementary school levels of understanding; "Wrong is wrong" is the kind of statement a child makes when they've been told not to steal all the way up until their family becomes destitute, and they catch their mother stealing to feed them.

You are on the internet conflating the indulgence of fictional media to the act of assaulting a child in real life, and blindly throwing that assertion around at anyone who so much as shows any kind of disagreement with you. The vast majority of anyone who should be present would be adults who have lived their entire lives so far without your "wisdom" or "perspective" to guide them--what porn they diddle their jiggy bits to is neither your concern nor is it your right to pretend to be concerned about. Neither you nor Big Balls actually know anyone here and cannot speak to who is "contradicting everyone."
These last exchanges have been three frogs in a well loudly croaking for the entertainment of the viewers above, but at the highest point this has been me engaging you with a sincere hope that you are not actually somehow so lacking in self-awareness as to see exactly how... Redundant you're being.

Ah, to clarify, for the most part, the credit here still goes to Ichika for starting and retaining any kind of meaningful presence in this. This has been a train wreck of a genuinely meaningless PSA/"Argument", but you can plainly see that it's yours and you've owned it despite not being able to rebut a single point made by anyone responding to you. Big Balls, your entire presence here has equated to repeating either the entirety of other people's talking points back at them or sucking up to Ichika's statements whenever it looks best, aside from the frequent attempts at pinning personal blame despite not actually reading a single point to the contrary. You continue to spend your entire breath of logic on "if there's smoke, there's fire" and "he who points fingers" arguments, when the same can immediately be said to match you.

Again, as was said multiple times by now:

If you actually think this, coming to this forum and trying to convince the handful of people who are even remotely likely to be your audience, to blindly capitulate to your moral preferences without considering their own?
Please seek help for your obsession. The pedophiles you should be actually concerned about are the ones with your kids in the real-life churches, gov't offices, and on private islands owned by your CEOs.

Thank you for the Chapter.
Please educate yourselves before trying to convince people who barely give a fuck about what they're going to read, given this manga's content, nevermind about the opinions of the scantilator who's translating it for them.

 

[DrgnMechanic]

toxic ass chat lmao.
The way i've always seen it, no issue with liking petite/physically small charecters (skinny, short, etc.), the issues really start to arise when part of the atracction is to a charecter cause they act like a child. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. if it looks like a child and acts like a child, it's a child. (if it looks like an adult and acts like a child, it's also arguably a child, but that's kinda a different point.)