Naughty Succubus "Saki-chan" - Vol. 1 Ch. 33 - A clean ballot
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It is a pretty weird rule tho, gotta admit.
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Yeah nonsensical porn rules, but it's hard to get away with saying something like "I support more lax porn laws" as a modern politician in this helicopter world.
Just be glad it hasn't gotten more limiting, like in the ole' US of A
Just be glad it hasn't gotten more limiting, like in the ole' US of A
@terinayaya That's just cause most politicians are shriveled up, old men.
A newer generation would surely give votes to a party whose agenda is ending porn censorship. I know I would.
A newer generation would surely give votes to a party whose agenda is ending porn censorship. I know I would.
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The censored porn thing a layover from generations ago and nobody wants to be that guy pushing for uncensored porn. Also iirc the reason art doesn't get censored is because the law isn't against nudity it's against the sale of nudity. You can make uncensored stuff you just can't sell it in japan. That's why dubbed hentai gets uncensored.
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@BCS the Chinese are so used to stealing everything that the only people who are hindered by that in China are probably people who are too dumb to obtain it or too young to, so it might actually be working out decently as a policy for youth protection.
Versus in Japan, I expect that having porn or material objectifying women so easily accessible and ingrained into their culture probably hinders their youth developing emotionally-healthy sexual relationships, and their childbirth rate, by extension.
Versus in Japan, I expect that having porn or material objectifying women so easily accessible and ingrained into their culture probably hinders their youth developing emotionally-healthy sexual relationships, and their childbirth rate, by extension.
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Edit: Eh whatever, maybe not worth my energy to debate it. I just hope Japan eventually lets everything be uncensored.
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@swimminginsand Yeah it's current form is for all intents and purposes an archaic law (since it's at it's earliest a Meiji era law) left in place during the post-war reconstruction, which included a whole new constitution that was drafted predominantly by the USA that failed to notice it (Article 175 of the Penal Code) conflicting with the new freedom of speech (Article 21 of the 1947 Constitution). Article 175 remains the only real form official restriction on the freedom of expression- which is similar to how it works in the US, but there's little rhyme, reason, or consistency to how it is determined and enforced. As a result 175 ended up having more teeth than other nations' equivalent obscenity-related curtails on free speech since the court basically just gets to say "it's obscene because we say so" with little codified criteria to work with. Artistic merit is allowed to be a mitigating factor in whether or not something is obscene but again, decided on the fly by the whims of the court. The court determinations are so very arbitrary that there has been a long line of legal commentary and argument across the decades that 175's current interpretation and application is entirely unconstitutional due to this apparent conflict with Article 21. It all really takes precedent from a case in the 50's regarding translating "Lady Chatterly’s Lover", the US and UK had similar obscenity hearing and acquitted, but Japan convicted.
It's a little ridiculous that it's still on the books considering how little it takes to comply with the "censoring"- but yeah nobody's going to be winning a material number of votes if they push repealing that as a talking point of their platform.
It's a little ridiculous that it's still on the books considering how little it takes to comply with the "censoring"- but yeah nobody's going to be winning a material number of votes if they push repealing that as a talking point of their platform.
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@HauntedPizza First off, I appreciate your response, giving me an opportunity to clarify; and also that if you understood it as such, others may have also made that line of thought. I'm saddened you felt the need to delete your post, but so be it.
Porn being easily accessible and legal are different creatures though. There's an entirely different level of accessibility for person A, who can walk into a convenience store and buy porn, or simply download a torrent or go to reddit's gonewild section, and maybe get grossed out look or a grounding if they get caught; and person B, who might have to use a VPN or TOR network for access, or know someone who has access to the goods, and worry about getting ratted out or sent to jail/reeducation/loss of social credit score for possession. There are porn bounty hunters in China, people who make a living off snitching. The illegality of porn also likely raises the financial hurdle for obtaining it. All of which goes back to my original point, being that as a way of keeping porn out of the hands of youth, the ban probably works effectively because most kids are usually limited on the knowledge or resources needed to overcome these hurdles, until a later age. The distortions to society that this artifical constraint causes are not insignificant though.
I agree there are a lot of things that affect birthrates, not just this, and I view Japan as both a precursor and enabler of the hyper-sexualized culture. I don't believe that Japan is alone in having these sorts of issues. Birth control is another book of arguments I don't want to get into, but having it so readily available is really good, but also carries many drawbacks. Because we are consuming Japanese culture, it is an easy middle ground to use for discussion, is all.
My second point was that Japan enables easy access to porn or explicit materials for children at a very early age, and has a culture which doesn't even discourage it, but actively encourages men (and women) to seek knowledge and sexually active behavior at a young age. The dirty mag trading in schools, the cultural shaming of virgins, underage people playing eroge, smut shoujo manga targeted at teenage girls, are signs among others that I would point to that show how openly acceptable it has become in their culture to pursue and consume this content, regardless of age. The nonsensical censor laws are a good symptom of this actual stance.
Whether or not this access to explicit materials causes significant problems is up to research and debate. It could be like this author says in Saki-chan, that porn itself doesn't truly affect people. On this side of the argument, it would be like how loli content doesn't actually create pedophiles, or how prosecuting people on possession of 2D underage porn is nonsensical because it's not real CP.
I disagree, as porn cannot be viewed without considering the effect it has on the societal environment. On the other side, young people are likely to be influenced by these portrayals of sexual relationships and likely to develop distorted views based on the fantasies of other peers or adults. Toss in a patriarchial society worldview, an openly acceptable culture of men buying women, moderately accessible red-light/hostess areas to both men and women, and a high cost of living. Now you've got a great foundation for creating boys who early on will have very unrealistic expectations of women both in behavior and appearances, who learn that sexual desires can be either easily satisfied by porn, money, or good looks/nanpa behavior; some get indoctrinated that throwing yourself into corporate slavery for money is one solution. Girls are also affected indirectly by this perceived belief of how girls and romance works, and some start chasing appearance products or lavish lifestyles paid for by red light work. Not all, but probably not an insignificant amount.
Women objectifying themselves are just as much a problem. My stance isn't that women should be the gatekeepers to purity, though that used to be their role in the past. Rather the problem is that there are no brakes in place anymore. Which is why you have an interesting phenomenon in Japan where you have gratuitous AV culture only a couple shelves behind the cute idol shelves where the standards for dating and virginity are nonsensical and strictly controlled.
(I don't condone the extreme opposite end either, which is where Muslim and Christian groups are situated, with sexual repression, jailing people with affairs, denying birth control, etc. I'm sure England has some nonsensical laws that are a product of this conversation that people should be having about what kind of society they want to create and live in.)
As far as women objectifying men goes, I agree it's a thing, but the roots of it didn't grow out of a culture of freely available explicit material. Just like how men judge women on appearances, so do women do the same, and there's nothing inherently wrong about that. The societal problems associated with objectifying men go way back to gender roles and double standards for each sex. It's still acceptable (and encouraged) for women to judge men on economic power. It was the feminist movement and the separation of economic and sexual freedom from the institutions of marriage and childrearing that really started bringing those problems out to the front. The male beta herbivore is a side-product of this (and also a problem). In the end, however, it is probably in society's best interests to continue to promote alpha male traits, but action ought to be taken to reconnect the men who lose in that contest. My money is on a Chobits ending though.
Porn being easily accessible and legal are different creatures though. There's an entirely different level of accessibility for person A, who can walk into a convenience store and buy porn, or simply download a torrent or go to reddit's gonewild section, and maybe get grossed out look or a grounding if they get caught; and person B, who might have to use a VPN or TOR network for access, or know someone who has access to the goods, and worry about getting ratted out or sent to jail/reeducation/loss of social credit score for possession. There are porn bounty hunters in China, people who make a living off snitching. The illegality of porn also likely raises the financial hurdle for obtaining it. All of which goes back to my original point, being that as a way of keeping porn out of the hands of youth, the ban probably works effectively because most kids are usually limited on the knowledge or resources needed to overcome these hurdles, until a later age. The distortions to society that this artifical constraint causes are not insignificant though.
I agree there are a lot of things that affect birthrates, not just this, and I view Japan as both a precursor and enabler of the hyper-sexualized culture. I don't believe that Japan is alone in having these sorts of issues. Birth control is another book of arguments I don't want to get into, but having it so readily available is really good, but also carries many drawbacks. Because we are consuming Japanese culture, it is an easy middle ground to use for discussion, is all.
My second point was that Japan enables easy access to porn or explicit materials for children at a very early age, and has a culture which doesn't even discourage it, but actively encourages men (and women) to seek knowledge and sexually active behavior at a young age. The dirty mag trading in schools, the cultural shaming of virgins, underage people playing eroge, smut shoujo manga targeted at teenage girls, are signs among others that I would point to that show how openly acceptable it has become in their culture to pursue and consume this content, regardless of age. The nonsensical censor laws are a good symptom of this actual stance.
Whether or not this access to explicit materials causes significant problems is up to research and debate. It could be like this author says in Saki-chan, that porn itself doesn't truly affect people. On this side of the argument, it would be like how loli content doesn't actually create pedophiles, or how prosecuting people on possession of 2D underage porn is nonsensical because it's not real CP.
I disagree, as porn cannot be viewed without considering the effect it has on the societal environment. On the other side, young people are likely to be influenced by these portrayals of sexual relationships and likely to develop distorted views based on the fantasies of other peers or adults. Toss in a patriarchial society worldview, an openly acceptable culture of men buying women, moderately accessible red-light/hostess areas to both men and women, and a high cost of living. Now you've got a great foundation for creating boys who early on will have very unrealistic expectations of women both in behavior and appearances, who learn that sexual desires can be either easily satisfied by porn, money, or good looks/nanpa behavior; some get indoctrinated that throwing yourself into corporate slavery for money is one solution. Girls are also affected indirectly by this perceived belief of how girls and romance works, and some start chasing appearance products or lavish lifestyles paid for by red light work. Not all, but probably not an insignificant amount.
Women objectifying themselves are just as much a problem. My stance isn't that women should be the gatekeepers to purity, though that used to be their role in the past. Rather the problem is that there are no brakes in place anymore. Which is why you have an interesting phenomenon in Japan where you have gratuitous AV culture only a couple shelves behind the cute idol shelves where the standards for dating and virginity are nonsensical and strictly controlled.
(I don't condone the extreme opposite end either, which is where Muslim and Christian groups are situated, with sexual repression, jailing people with affairs, denying birth control, etc. I'm sure England has some nonsensical laws that are a product of this conversation that people should be having about what kind of society they want to create and live in.)
As far as women objectifying men goes, I agree it's a thing, but the roots of it didn't grow out of a culture of freely available explicit material. Just like how men judge women on appearances, so do women do the same, and there's nothing inherently wrong about that. The societal problems associated with objectifying men go way back to gender roles and double standards for each sex. It's still acceptable (and encouraged) for women to judge men on economic power. It was the feminist movement and the separation of economic and sexual freedom from the institutions of marriage and childrearing that really started bringing those problems out to the front. The male beta herbivore is a side-product of this (and also a problem). In the end, however, it is probably in society's best interests to continue to promote alpha male traits, but action ought to be taken to reconnect the men who lose in that contest. My money is on a Chobits ending though.
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@Terinayaya Thanks for the response, but I'm not sure if I entirely agree with you either. I originally deleted my comment because I wanted to avoid getting into this kind of conversation, but well I guess I'll jump in. You seem to be heavily on the anti-porn stance and also seemingly on the anti loli/shota stance, which is something I've debated about with people heavily time and time again, it never goes anywhere and it's just exhausting. It's the same nonsense as people that think video games make you violent.
Also yes arresting people for art and writing stories of questionable nature with loli/shota character is ridiculous because it's not real. It's treating the artists/writers as criminals and not even discussing it. This is all I'm saying here because I'm sure you've got an entire speech prepared about this, people that are anti-loli/shota always have a lot to say about how wrong it is. Instead of worrying about fictional drawings, why don't people ever actually do anything to help actual children? Things that affect and impact actual real children. At least sign some petitions, donate some money. Instead people spend hundreds of hours upon their white horse condemning drawings and artists. It's one of the most absurd things I've witnessed online.
Moving on from that, every culture has a lot of aspects of life that heavily revolve around sex, humans as a whole feel lust. We've had that whole "Alpha male" thing since before fire was invented. It's not like Japan invented it. It's not like youth in America didn't get playboy magazines, or trade porn. Puberty is something that happens to almost everyone and they'll usually find some outlet for it. Unless you're Ace, then you never experienced puberty like that and probably don't understand what it's like.
I question what's wrong with being a sexual creature that likes to have one's desires gratified? Your approach seems to be a psychologist's response that it's decaying the purity of our nation and damaging our youth, leading our youth onto a stray path of tainted damnation. Which personally I think is absurd. You say you don't like the extreme opposites that dip into repression but you also seem to be leaning in that direction far more than I do.
I've been running into people recently that think censorship is on the rise because our standards are improving and we're becoming proper, it's something that truly scares me more than people being sexual. I have plenty of American friends that grew up with easy access to porn since around the age of 10 and they're in the late 20s and early to mid 30s. They turned out fine, you know why? Common sense. It's not porn that corrupts people or any of that nonsense, it's the fact that most people lack common sense. People often only have a problem if they can't separate fiction from reality. I wouldn't blame the porn but instead I'd blame human behavior and the brain. Also telling people to stop making things such as porn and video games because people get into bad habits is like the people on the ban video games train, because now there's a supposed "disease" related to video games. People never address the human problems and they just blame entertainment and so fourth, never mind that humans will find an outlet for all of their behavior and vices one way or another.
Also additional note, you know what's always been extremely sexual? Mythology. So many elements of human history and story telling are based around lots and lots of sex. Way before video games or TV was even invented. Before the radio was invented. It's just how humans are.
Also yes arresting people for art and writing stories of questionable nature with loli/shota character is ridiculous because it's not real. It's treating the artists/writers as criminals and not even discussing it. This is all I'm saying here because I'm sure you've got an entire speech prepared about this, people that are anti-loli/shota always have a lot to say about how wrong it is. Instead of worrying about fictional drawings, why don't people ever actually do anything to help actual children? Things that affect and impact actual real children. At least sign some petitions, donate some money. Instead people spend hundreds of hours upon their white horse condemning drawings and artists. It's one of the most absurd things I've witnessed online.
Moving on from that, every culture has a lot of aspects of life that heavily revolve around sex, humans as a whole feel lust. We've had that whole "Alpha male" thing since before fire was invented. It's not like Japan invented it. It's not like youth in America didn't get playboy magazines, or trade porn. Puberty is something that happens to almost everyone and they'll usually find some outlet for it. Unless you're Ace, then you never experienced puberty like that and probably don't understand what it's like.
I question what's wrong with being a sexual creature that likes to have one's desires gratified? Your approach seems to be a psychologist's response that it's decaying the purity of our nation and damaging our youth, leading our youth onto a stray path of tainted damnation. Which personally I think is absurd. You say you don't like the extreme opposites that dip into repression but you also seem to be leaning in that direction far more than I do.
I've been running into people recently that think censorship is on the rise because our standards are improving and we're becoming proper, it's something that truly scares me more than people being sexual. I have plenty of American friends that grew up with easy access to porn since around the age of 10 and they're in the late 20s and early to mid 30s. They turned out fine, you know why? Common sense. It's not porn that corrupts people or any of that nonsense, it's the fact that most people lack common sense. People often only have a problem if they can't separate fiction from reality. I wouldn't blame the porn but instead I'd blame human behavior and the brain. Also telling people to stop making things such as porn and video games because people get into bad habits is like the people on the ban video games train, because now there's a supposed "disease" related to video games. People never address the human problems and they just blame entertainment and so fourth, never mind that humans will find an outlet for all of their behavior and vices one way or another.
Also additional note, you know what's always been extremely sexual? Mythology. So many elements of human history and story telling are based around lots and lots of sex. Way before video games or TV was even invented. Before the radio was invented. It's just how humans are.
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It's a little difficult as I've been interpreted to have stances I don't actually have.
I'm not against porn consumption, nor am I against shota/loli content. I am against it being so encouraged for youth consumption, easy access being part of the problem, and I find that Japan's stance on underage consumption of it to be as flimsy as their porn censor standards.
A food analogy would be like supporting healthy school meals but sticking soda and chips machines on campus, and running ads targeted at kids about how cool soda and chips are. I like soda and chips as much as the next person, but we all know that excess consumption of soda and chips is unhealthy. Expecting youth to demonstrate a mature level of self-control and critical thinking that most adults have difficulty with is unreasonable.
Having so much porn available and encouraged for easy, cheap self-gratification doesn't mean that it will completely derail youth development but affect it enough in enough of the population to cause many short and long term development issues. It can be as simple as delaying social development by a few years. That is enough to cause a snowball effect of pushing middle school development to high school.
(More technical: what I am pointing out here is that IMO excess porn consumption acts as a negative artificial distortion on youth development similar to relative age effect. Summarizing from Malcolm Galdwell's "Outliers", we can easily see this sort of skew in youth sports, such as Canadian hockey, where being born in January means you have an entire year's worth of development over your same peers in the same season, who are born in December. The difference can be small but significant enough to cause people to be dropped before they even have a chance of development.
If this sounds familiar, it should because there is a very strict timeline that society expects for youth development. Human relationship skill development is expected to peak around your college years, marriage at 25 (Christmas cake meme), and biology wants you to have your kids by 35 at the latest. There's nothing wrong with people who don't follow this schedule, but it can easily contribute to a "catch up" or "drop out" mindset. The problem is when this is applied and compounded over generations, looking at individuals doesn't show the big picture. It is like being the house in casino gambling, you don't need to have an overwhelming odds, just a slight edge of a couple of percentage points played out over hundreds or thousands of games to cause a significant effect.)
In my previous response, I was pointing out the absurdity of the illegality of 2D porn. I actually agree with your stance about how arresting people with it is more political than practical.
I also acknowledge that the alpha male thing is as old as time, and I merely used it as an easily understood example of why male objectification is a thing that will probably continue to be a thing and not as objectionable as female objectification, simply because it is in society's best interests to promote those traits. Physical objectification is ridiculous to control as it's a product of the standards of the society it came from, such as tallness or fitness levels. The associations we attach to things such as physical fitness are extremely ingrained. Non-physical objectification leans towards directly removing agency and choice, which was easier to accomplish with females than males due to imbalanced economic and physical power, and why society's response is so skewed.
There's nothing wrong with being a sexual creature. It's actually important, you're right that humans have always been and will continue to be sexual, and not talking about it or banning sexual material is probably even more harmful. I don't support repression, but as it stands, I don't want to encourage cheap, excess consumption of it. Porn addiction is a thing, and the opportunity cost of it should be considered. Standing from that perspective, 2D porn is more easily and cheaply produced than 3D porn and creates even more unrealistic expectations of sexual relationships because it releases the constraining nature of depicting actual humans by its own property of being second-order simulacra instead of a first-order simulation. And rather than encouraging As far as mythology is concerned, it's sexual but there's a reason why people fap to images of traps wearing absolute territory school uniforms over the textual description of Oedipus boning his mother: it's easier to see and consume.
I too worry about censorship, and I loathe the trend of where it is going and what it has done to the games I love. As an adult, I have major objections to how games and content are censored or unable to be released in the USA because of parental backlash. My stance is that it's a number of factors that push the responsibility of safeguarding this adults-only content back and forth, and ultimately end up in a state where nobody has nice things. To list a few, schools with overextended teachers, to storefronts with marginal safeguards against minors, to overworked parents; uncomfortable, no conversation, or even misinformation about sex ed; religious puritanicals, etc. As an adult, I expect to have agency over my own decisions, but the same cannot be said for children, which is why I am against censorship but support stricter controls similar to the tobacco and alcohol industries over what should be targeted and marketed at an underage audience. That being said, I recognize that it's not a simple problem and introducing legal punishment for consumption, production, or distribution can easily create the nonsensical problems we've been discussing. It's exactly this reason that a "lax censorship" platform wouldn't fly in Japan, because inevitably someone will say "but what about the children", and nobody will be the nail that says "well keep your kid from watching porn" because of how unreasonable that is in Japan in particular.
It's a little difficult as I've been interpreted to have stances I don't actually have.
I'm not against porn consumption, nor am I against shota/loli content. I am against it being so encouraged for youth consumption, easy access being part of the problem, and I find that Japan's stance on underage consumption of it to be as flimsy as their porn censor standards.
A food analogy would be like supporting healthy school meals but sticking soda and chips machines on campus, and running ads targeted at kids about how cool soda and chips are. I like soda and chips as much as the next person, but we all know that excess consumption of soda and chips is unhealthy. Expecting youth to demonstrate a mature level of self-control and critical thinking that most adults have difficulty with is unreasonable.
Having so much porn available and encouraged for easy, cheap self-gratification doesn't mean that it will completely derail youth development but affect it enough in enough of the population to cause many short and long term development issues. It can be as simple as delaying social development by a few years. That is enough to cause a snowball effect of pushing middle school development to high school.
(More technical: what I am pointing out here is that IMO excess porn consumption acts as a negative artificial distortion on youth development similar to relative age effect. Summarizing from Malcolm Galdwell's "Outliers", we can easily see this sort of skew in youth sports, such as Canadian hockey, where being born in January means you have an entire year's worth of development over your same peers in the same season, who are born in December. The difference can be small but significant enough to cause people to be dropped before they even have a chance of development.
If this sounds familiar, it should because there is a very strict timeline that society expects for youth development. Human relationship skill development is expected to peak around your college years, marriage at 25 (Christmas cake meme), and biology wants you to have your kids by 35 at the latest. There's nothing wrong with people who don't follow this schedule, but it can easily contribute to a "catch up" or "drop out" mindset. The problem is when this is applied and compounded over generations, looking at individuals doesn't show the big picture. It is like being the house in casino gambling, you don't need to have an overwhelming odds, just a slight edge of a couple of percentage points played out over hundreds or thousands of games to cause a significant effect.)
In my previous response, I was pointing out the absurdity of the illegality of 2D porn. I actually agree with your stance about how arresting people with it is more political than practical.
I also acknowledge that the alpha male thing is as old as time, and I merely used it as an easily understood example of why male objectification is a thing that will probably continue to be a thing and not as objectionable as female objectification, simply because it is in society's best interests to promote those traits. Physical objectification is ridiculous to control as it's a product of the standards of the society it came from, such as tallness or fitness levels. The associations we attach to things such as physical fitness are extremely ingrained. Non-physical objectification leans towards directly removing agency and choice, which was easier to accomplish with females than males due to imbalanced economic and physical power, and why society's response is so skewed.
There's nothing wrong with being a sexual creature. It's actually important, you're right that humans have always been and will continue to be sexual, and not talking about it or banning sexual material is probably even more harmful. I don't support repression, but as it stands, I don't want to encourage cheap, excess consumption of it. Porn addiction is a thing, and the opportunity cost of it should be considered. Standing from that perspective, 2D porn is more easily and cheaply produced than 3D porn and creates even more unrealistic expectations of sexual relationships because it releases the constraining nature of depicting actual humans by its own property of being second-order simulacra instead of a first-order simulation. And rather than encouraging As far as mythology is concerned, it's sexual but there's a reason why people fap to images of traps wearing absolute territory school uniforms over the textual description of Oedipus boning his mother: it's easier to see and consume.
I too worry about censorship, and I loathe the trend of where it is going and what it has done to the games I love. As an adult, I have major objections to how games and content are censored or unable to be released in the USA because of parental backlash. My stance is that it's a number of factors that push the responsibility of safeguarding this adults-only content back and forth, and ultimately end up in a state where nobody has nice things. To list a few, schools with overextended teachers, to storefronts with marginal safeguards against minors, to overworked parents; uncomfortable, no conversation, or even misinformation about sex ed; religious puritanicals, etc. As an adult, I expect to have agency over my own decisions, but the same cannot be said for children, which is why I am against censorship but support stricter controls similar to the tobacco and alcohol industries over what should be targeted and marketed at an underage audience. That being said, I recognize that it's not a simple problem and introducing legal punishment for consumption, production, or distribution can easily create the nonsensical problems we've been discussing. It's exactly this reason that a "lax censorship" platform wouldn't fly in Japan, because inevitably someone will say "but what about the children", and nobody will be the nail that says "well keep your kid from watching porn" because of how unreasonable that is in Japan in particular.
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@terinayaya Okay but you're comparing junk food to porn, which I think is questionable. Junk Food factually makes you fatter, it makes everyone fatter. However porn doesn't have consistent effects across everyone, it varies from person to person. You think it's harmful for a young mind but that's more of an opinion that varies from being right to wrong based on every individual, where as junk food makes everyone fat. I think you're using a straw-man argument there. Again I know plenty of people that grew up with porn and turned out more than fine.
Yes 2d porn lets you fulfill numerous unrealistic fetishes, but that's the point. I don't see many people getting unrealistic expectations from that because they specifically had to seek out 2d porn to gratify those fetishes in a safe environment where real people aren't hurt. If people get unrealistic expectations from porn it's because they're not properly educated and because they're not properly introduced to social interactions, part of that arguably should be with other people in a face to face in person kind of way.
3d porn is similar, people have unrealistic bodies and so fourth. Anyone that's been educated and informed about such things would know that porn isn't meant to be realistic and is meant to stimulate the viewer. Porn plots like the pizza delivery man and so fourth are fantasy. Sure people can get lost in fantasy but saying that the fantasy is a problem is I think incorrect, it's better to give people the tools to tell when they're in a fantasy and not reality. Education should give people a proper guiding path to keep a good head on their shoulders.
Sure the easy access for youth is a tricky thing, but in general I just think children need to be educated better more than anything. Better schooling, better sex education, more common sense classes. Friends I made in elementary school played M rated games and they turned out fine, they aren't violent people. Violent video games gratify and stimulate a primal need to be a warrior and fighter, a hunter of sorts. We longer hunt for our food and wars over territory are more limited. Also sheltering children often does more harm than good, especially in a case where they're not educated about various sensitive topics. Being ill equipped to deal with things as an adult is a problem.
Again the main problem with Japan's population decline is their workaholic culture. I'm not sure what else there really is to say here, we can agree to disagree and move on for the most part I think.
Yes 2d porn lets you fulfill numerous unrealistic fetishes, but that's the point. I don't see many people getting unrealistic expectations from that because they specifically had to seek out 2d porn to gratify those fetishes in a safe environment where real people aren't hurt. If people get unrealistic expectations from porn it's because they're not properly educated and because they're not properly introduced to social interactions, part of that arguably should be with other people in a face to face in person kind of way.
3d porn is similar, people have unrealistic bodies and so fourth. Anyone that's been educated and informed about such things would know that porn isn't meant to be realistic and is meant to stimulate the viewer. Porn plots like the pizza delivery man and so fourth are fantasy. Sure people can get lost in fantasy but saying that the fantasy is a problem is I think incorrect, it's better to give people the tools to tell when they're in a fantasy and not reality. Education should give people a proper guiding path to keep a good head on their shoulders.
Sure the easy access for youth is a tricky thing, but in general I just think children need to be educated better more than anything. Better schooling, better sex education, more common sense classes. Friends I made in elementary school played M rated games and they turned out fine, they aren't violent people. Violent video games gratify and stimulate a primal need to be a warrior and fighter, a hunter of sorts. We longer hunt for our food and wars over territory are more limited. Also sheltering children often does more harm than good, especially in a case where they're not educated about various sensitive topics. Being ill equipped to deal with things as an adult is a problem.
Again the main problem with Japan's population decline is their workaholic culture. I'm not sure what else there really is to say here, we can agree to disagree and move on for the most part I think.
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Censorship aint how you control the youth, if they want it theyl find it, you have to keep an eye on them and limit where they go if you want them to grow to your standards. The problem lies with the parents not trying hard enough, not with porn existing. Also @yarielist i agree so long as its made BY a human not OF a human. #RLSucksDonkyDong
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Yes. Vote the people responsible for censorship laws out of office!
It's good to see an author encouraging the readers to do their part to support liberty in his country.
I'm glad to live country where constitutionally protected free speech still exists.
(Though if the dems of today have their way, both the first and second amendments will be gone: 1. take away the ability to fight oppression (2A), 2. then suppress speech you disagree with(1A))
It's good to see an author encouraging the readers to do their part to support liberty in his country.
I'm glad to live country where constitutionally protected free speech still exists.
(Though if the dems of today have their way, both the first and second amendments will be gone: 1. take away the ability to fight oppression (2A), 2. then suppress speech you disagree with(1A))
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I'm giving yall warning before scrolling that the comments are nothing but politics and not related to the manga.
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