NEET dakedo Hello Work ni Ittara Isekai ni Tsuretekareta - Vol. 3 Ch. 23

[panneqaha]

@Aichan The vikings and several hundred years of centre gripped shields would like a word with you. Also romans and their scutums, and late medieval/renaissance bucklers I guess. She also used the shield more or less correctly for the type (for a manga), by holding it out in front of you to hide what your sword and body is doing, making it much harder read what you're going to do. A centre grip shield only sucks if you try and use it like a strapped shield, and vice versa.

That said, her shield does lack a shield boss (which pushes the grip of the shield more in line with the shield itself, instead of behind it) and the shape of her shield screams heater, which were typically strapped shields.

 

[Aichan]

@panneqaha

I didn't deny that centre gripped shields exist, but as I said it offers little benefit when you hold it so far in front of you. The only way holding it so far to the front can work, is if you're in a formation as a second liner. First liners would still need to brace it with the elbows. While we have no evidence of the Romans doing it like this, we know the hoplites of Greece did.

If I encounter this type of opponent, all I need to do is poke the right side or the left side a little bit hard to knock it back and the shield would've flipped to the side. I won't even need to use my sword, merely punching it would've been enough to flip the shield and expose her arms for attack. But when you're in formation, locking shields with other soldiers, this disadvantage disappears as each shield locked together reinforce each other. You can test this out yourself by holding a large pot lid by its centre handle far from your body and asking your friend to punch either side of it.

As for holding it out to keep secret what your sword and body is doing, that works for bucklers or small shields, and it was indeed used in dueling (during the Renaissance if I'm not mistaken). When you have a heater shield that big, this technique is a great liability. What you said was meant for a more agile fighter where trickery and sudden strikes are key, but you can't be agile with that kind of shield.

Heater shields are simply not meant for that type of fighting style. You can do it if you want to, but it significantly weakens your fighting ability. It would be similar to having a gun but instead of shooting it, you wait for the enemy to come close so that you can hit them with the butt of the gun.

 

[panneqaha]

@Aichan I agree in part that the artist doesn't know how shields work. Her shield design is garbage. Her shield is shaped like a heater, which should be strapped, but has a centre grip. The centre grip sits behind the shield, instead of more flush with the shields surface, meaning she'll have a lot less control over what the shield does. So lets just assume the centre grip design is fixed (and keep it centre gripped, instead of strapped, since that's how she's using it).

I shouldn't have really mentioned scutums, since they're a horzontal grip, not vertial grip, and both used and designed for different requirements. The Greek hoplon, or aspis, is a variant of a strapped shield, and designed for phalanx warfare (as much to cover the guy to your left as it is to cover you). Formation warfare is also fairly irrelevant to this discussion.

You are 100% correct in that it's easy to knock her shield away, considering the way she's holding it. But it's the angle she's holding the shield at, not the distance from her body, that's wrong. "but as I said it offers little benefit when you hold it so far in front of you" Viking shields, when used in duels (and the Vikings/Germanic tribes placed a lot of importance in individual prowess), you absolutely held the shield out in front of you, and not "braced against your elbow". They didn't hold it flat on, like she does, but more of a 70 degree angle (point the leading edge at the other guys left shoulder). Holding a Viking shield in close, like you would a strapped shield, defeats the purpose, and utility, of a centre grip.

"What you said was meant for a more agile fighter where trickery and sudden strikes are key, but you can't be agile with that kind of shield." This sounds like RPG nonsense. You don't need much shield between you and them to help obscure what you're doing; this is as true with a buckler as it is with a Viking shield. Also, everything you're saying about heater shields is irrelevant in this instance. She's not using a heater shield, she's using a 'heater shaped' shield with a centre grip. The type of grip is key, since it defines how the shield is used. You cannot use a strapped shield like a centre grip, and vice versa. Her shield is also between the size of a bucker (~30cm diameter) and a Viking shield (~100cm diameter), so while there would be a lot of techniques from each that wouldn't suit her shield, there would also be a lot that are.

I guess we're approaching our critique of her shield use from different directions. I was mostly impressed that they showed her using a centre grip shield in a more or less correct'ish manner (considering it's an isekai manga). Not seeing either the usual video-gamey method of waving your shield around beside or behind you, while hacking away with your sword in front, or statically holding the shield in front of them like a second breastplate, was refreshing.

 

[mayu_hojo]

do i see weapon otakus in the chat

 

[Nosbor]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[Fukinweeb]

What a gamer move

 

[screamdoom]

cringe, weak ass pussy, do better strategy man

 

[masonery]

thot slayer

 

[Elxira]

Punch for equality. Kazuma approves.

 

[ZinkiSS]

Chad MC, A True Man of Gender Equality.

 

[cksn]

now undress her and fuck her right there

she's a woman in combat, that's what happens when you lose, i don't make the rules

 

[Retro68]

cliché double k.o., lol

You beat me to it lol.