I don't know if I skipped it or if it was shown, but isn't there suppose to be TROUBLE coming involving her PARENTS selling her to avoid a debt, and Yakuza sending ADVENTURER members to try and SEIZE HER by force! Otherwise I think that is coming up! It largely is because she has no contact with her no good parents, she shouldn't have been CONSIDERED as colleterial! But you know Yakuza/criminal scum! They never CARE for the details and think their in the RIGHT for it despite the fact it's THEIR debt and has nothing to do with her! Good thing ZERO is her mentor LOL
In her greed, she lost it all. I'm kinda glad that her obliviousness is consistent throughout the series so far and her cadre of hype people have also had their legs swept out from under them due to humouring her.
I do like how her boss had the ethical consistency to say fuck the law, fuck the brand I built, I'm staying beside my friend and the one my husband chose to protect at the cost of his life.
I don't find it satisfying that the ex lost her job as we weren't given any inkling that she was horrible at her job nor was she active in getting the MC fired (though she did watch as her new boyfriend fired him). It feels like cheap wish fulfillment.
The reverse is exactly cheap wish fulfillment. There’s always a need for drilling in that comeuppance, instead of moving on like this MC did. She can die regretful and ignorant.
LOL happy to know I wasn't the only one who noticed (Though her's isn't played for laughs unlike Hayate's.....well early Combat Butler chapters anyway! Plus Iruma-kun is pretty much the same but with magic and demons instead LOL Just goes to show how popular that series was! Happy I read it a decade and a half ago by SHEER coincidence and fell in love with that series!)
I'd like it more if the ex wasn't so painfully oblivious as to why karma is kicking her teeth in, but I'm just glad that the "Find Out" phase has begun.
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Ok. Her boyfriend didn't blacklist him, only her friend did but that's beside the point as her boyfriend ONLY got demoted despite his actions (firing him) being much more devastating. The gf cheated on him and publically humiliated him sure, but I do not think that someone else fucking with her job is a satisfactory conclusion to that as (besides the owner knowing him) the MC had no hand in the action nor was there any build up to the result.
First off, she was a bystander to her boyfriend's action of firing the MC. She did not play an active hand in either his firing nor his blacklisting. So her cold attitude towards the whole incident is cold but it is not unemployment worthy.
Secondly, she does not value adventurers but that isn't inherently evil as it is the same as a family member saying that electricians aren't valueable and that he should be a lawyer instead. Sure she's a bitch about it but again I don't find it satisfying when a THIRD PARTY enacts "revenge" for the MC. Especially over the gf just being a gold-digger.
I am not upset because a woman is sad. I am upset because someone got disproportionatly punished for the actions they took. I would be happy with this result if she was playing an ACTIVE role (telling the bf to fire him) in him losing his job rather than her just being an ignorant ride-along about everything. The guy who came up with the idea AND executed it only got demoted. Hell, I would even be happy if it was the MC himself who got her fired because at least then he could be characterised as a bit petty and it would give him more depth.
Hence what I meant by "Emotional response" by Maria! Since it wasn't logical and she knew it! But then I have to wonder if she would have done so if Ex and Reito broke
And she stood aside and LET that happen, by her comment to the Receptionists friend on the phone last chapter, she was AWARE of what was going to happen! She could have told him to "butt out" since she was breaking up with Reito and that was PRIVATE business and he knew it, but she looked IMPRESSED when he did that! Because she was CONVINCED it showed Reito WHY he was unworthy and needed to "make something of himself
And she PREVIOUSLY loved adventurers! It's why she approached Reito during their school days in the first place! She only started "disliking" because of the stupid consesnus going around that Adventurers were lowly people (like with the Receptionist who was also sweeped up in that) but she KNEW Reito, or SHOULD know him as we learn she BARELY got to know HIM at ALL
As said, if I got aggressive, I apologize abit as I saw red whenver I see any form of SUPPORT to cheaters and their excuses. But I get your point! While yeah Reito COULD have told her his true rank and such! The fact she was CHEATING on him with an EMPLOYEE of the CLERICAL side, and it's clear the Receptionist was in on it and knw . She could have asked, but she didn't and then TAPPED OUT of the releationship and didn't care. She had ALTERNATIVE means to break up with him without the cheating, the problem ISN'T breaking up with him (That it's own mess on how she did it as she was MALICIOUSLY cruel on purpose with the break up like he did her a WRONG she never ONCE told him about, hence why it caught him off guard! Again, it shows she never ONCE talked to him about ANYTHING and he was PAYING for all their dates so she was EXTREMELY rude in her entitlement! Even her PARENTS are split on their feelings, they DO see she was wrong in what she did, BUT their only EXCUSING it abit because Scumbag's position in the Office means he is the BETTER "partner" because of the low risk of DEATH! They didn't HATE Reito, they just FEARED if he DIED in his job as that IS known about Adventurers that is TRUE, the HIGH MORALITY rate! Then their Princess would be sadden, and this caused them to unintendedly ENABLE her, especially what she does NEXT after this chapter with the Scumbag)
She marries him before the transfer, it's seen for the RUSHING IN that it is, and her parents are in disagreement, especially since she suddenly DATED the scumbag for not that long! It shows that she and scum have FLOWERS. But in a way it DOES illustrate her character growth LATER! which I liked where there IS recognition of her wrong, but because she's not TRULY cornered, she doubles down and makes excuses!
Also about Scumbag
He loses his job, and ends up homeless and disowned, Divorced too for the scummy shit he does to Ex as well! Namely he CHEATS ON HER! And with a Married woman who's husband is HIS BOSS at that branch! So again he is doing the SAME SHIT that got him in trouble! But that Boss ISN'T as merciful as Reito was! Hell his AP was a BITCH who TARGETED full of themselves married men at their lowest to play with them, let them RUIN their lives and marriage, then dump them and leave her HUSBAND to deal with them! There is no LOVE, but it will look HUMILATING for him business wise if he does nothing, and the moron WAS WARNED to keep his head down by a SENIOR at the branch early on and his past action would be FORGOTTEN and he could get transferred out! Reito's mercy was WASTED on him! Hence he WOULD have gotten off if he REPENTED and changed, but he's the only one who showed NO remorse and because he didn't he never saw what he did as wrong, only he picked the WRONG fight, and then does it again!
He is fired, loses Ex after what he did before that, and his family disowns him as being a REVEALED cheater THIS TIME FOR SURE because Reito never made a fuss makes him a disgrace, he ends up homeless, a drunk AND blaming Adventurers and REITO for his fall, when as stated, Reito GAVE HIM MERCY and it was HIS OWN DAMN FAULT he lost everything! Plus Adventurers had NOTHING to do with his ruin, the Co-worker and her husband were CLERICAL STAFF of the Guild, so effectively it was those who are the same as him who brought his ruin, but it shows he didn't learn a DAMN THING and so is paying for it!
The reverse is exactly cheap wish fulfillment. There’s always a need for drilling in that comeuppance, instead of moving on like this MC did. She can die regretful and ignorant.
Comeuppance should come from the MC's future actions/the target's flaws. Currently, all she did was cheat and humiliate the MC. There has been no damage to the place where she worked due to her actions nor does anyone dislike her except the owner. There is no comeuppance in getting your life/source of income ruined just because you broke up with someone unrelated in a shitty way.
Hence what I meant by "Emotional response" by Maria! Since it wasn't logical and she knew it! But then I have to wonder if she would have done so if Ex and Reito broke
And she stood aside and LET that happen, by her comment to the Receptionists friend on the phone last chapter, she was AWARE of what was going to happen! She could have told him to "butt out" since she was breaking up with Reito and that was PRIVATE business and he knew it, but she looked IMPRESSED when he did that! Because she was CONVINCED it showed Reito WHY he was unworthy and needed to "make something of himself
And she PREVIOUSLY loved adventurers! It's why she approached Reito during their school days in the first place! She only started "disliking" because of the stupid consesnus going around that Adventurers were lowly people (like with the Receptionist who was also sweeped up in that) but she KNEW Reito, or SHOULD know him as we learn she BARELY got to know HIM at ALL
As said, if I got aggressive, I apologize abit as I saw red whenver I see any form of SUPPORT to cheaters and their excuses. But I get your point! While yeah Reito COULD have told her his true rank and such! The fact she was CHEATING on him with an EMPLOYEE of the CLERICAL side, and it's clear the Receptionist was in on it and knw . She could have asked, but she didn't and then TAPPED OUT of the releationship and didn't care. She had ALTERNATIVE means to break up with him without the cheating, the problem ISN'T breaking up with him (That it's own mess on how she did it as she was MALICIOUSLY cruel on purpose with the break up like he did her a WRONG she never ONCE told him about, hence why it caught him off guard! Again, it shows she never ONCE talked to him about ANYTHING and he was PAYING for all their dates so she was EXTREMELY rude in her entitlement! Even her PARENTS are split on their feelings, they DO see she was wrong in what she did, BUT their only EXCUSING it abit because Scumbag's position in the Office means he is the BETTER "partner" because of the low risk of DEATH! They didn't HATE Reito, they just FEARED if he DIED in his job as that IS known about Adventurers that is TRUE, the HIGH MORALITY rate! Then their Princess would be sadden, and this caused them to unintendedly ENABLE her, especially what she does NEXT after this chapter with the Scumbag)
She was cruel and ignorant, sure. However, I do not find her getting fired over the way she handled the break up satisfying because it shows that she's getting punished due to someone's emotions (her boss hating her due to a personal friendship) rather than getting punished for her actions affecting her work (i.e. bad publicity, screwing up at work, creating a bad work environment etc...). The story so far wants to treat her as an ignorant fool who got what she deserved but it isn't doing a good job at it as the punishment is unrelated to the crime.
I don't want spoilers. My comments were just about the current chapters.
But then your blaming Reito for what happened! Sounds too close to "you deserved to get cheated on" which I don't think ANYONE will ever agree with! Tell me, why didn't she just BREAK UP with Reito, instead of what she did in Chapter 1! SHE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE HE LIVED AND REFUSED TO EVER COME TO HIS HOUSE! She was all take and no GIVE, and she KNOWS IT deep down, hence what she did was nothing more then a PATHETIC attempt to PROTECT her fragile ego by convincing herself she deserved better with "he has to grow up!"
It will be awhile before she FINALLY stops deluding herself! She's not FULLY doing it on purpose, but she IS doing so to JUSTIFY what she was doing, she just WANTED to move on with her life while CONVINCING herself she was doing her ex a FAVOR, and not CARING when it was brought up what she helped do would have DONE (The blacklist would have shown as a BLACKMARK on is record, she had an idea of that as A JAPANESE but didn't care what happened to him, all while PRETENDING to be virtous, because that gets in the WAY of her "fairy tale" ending of marrying an ELITE and being in such a GREAT job! Her tears here were DESERVED, it was meant to MIRROR the "unfairness" of what she did to Reito! Only she's still too full of herself to acknowledge it
Sorry if I come as aggressive, but as someone SURROUNDED by self-absorbed cheaters (and being close to those they HURT and refuse to accept ANY responsibility for their actions, in my case, my mother and my POS Sperm Donor/Said cheaters first girlfriend who was like an AUNT to me) I take a DIM view on giving cheaters ANY excuses (and that also includes "sympathic cheating" I'm less hard core on that one, but still look down on it because I follow the creed as a black man of "FUCKING LEAVE THEN, don't cheat, act sneaky JUST LEAVE!") and that part about "partial blame" hit a "berserk button" of mine, hence my aggressive reply above (I grew up HEARING attempts to BLAME the cheated on SOME HOW for what happened or lead up to what happened! Again, "I never LIKE giving cheaters ANY excuses for their actions of ANY KIND!) Reito COULD have, but knowing what we know of her lack of CARE about his life other then what seems convenient for her (anything that makes it look like the relationship was TERRIBLE and she wasn't wrong for cheating and trying to RUIN him on the way out with NO REAL EXCUSE other then SPITE, which again, "What did Reito DO to earn even that SPITE" and you see NOTHING as she SHOUTS DOWN anyone attempting to hold her to account! You realize she KNOWS deep down she has no excuse, she knows she's a cheater and unrepentant of it! But she sees it as her ONLY WAY TO GET A "HAPPILY EVER AFTER" hence not caring, till it FINALLY starts effecting her! can't WAIT for her FINAL KARMA MOMENT! Loved it because it was HARSH, abit realistic in that "Favorite term" cheaters get WARNED ABOUT but they never realize till it DOES get them and then "her improvement and character growth!)
What I mean by the "favorite term"
If they cheat WITH YOU, why the FUCK did you never think they would cheat ON YOU!
Dont miscontrue my words. While yes Kaori ruined everything by cheating on him, relationships are complicated and having a healthy one involves properly communicating with your partner to to ensure you're both happy. It's never truly one person's fault when it breaks apart, unless they're just plain cartoonishly evil. Reito may have done things he believed to be right as a boyfriend, but that's just his one sided judgement regarding things. He never properly looked at Kaori and communicated to her about what he was doing nor made her aware of his actual position as an Adventurer. Kaori taking things for granted never bothered to ask and stayed completely ignorant without addressing her concerns regarding him, his job, and her own situation. She only realized things after it was already too late and it didn't even come from Reito himself but what was happening around her to make her realize things. Their relationship was never going to last in the long term with how they were going about things.
Her letting it happen is her being a bystander (which was my point). I don't think a bystander should be punished worse than the active party.
That hasn't been established yet in the manga. I am only commenting on what the past chapters have shown.
She was cruel and ignorant, sure. However, I do not find her getting fired over the way she handled the break up satisfying because it shows that she's getting punished due to someone's emotions (her boss hating her due to a personal friendship) rather than getting punished for her actions affecting her work (i.e. bad publicity, screwing up at work, creating a bad work environment etc...). The story so far wants to treat her as an ignorant fool who got what she deserved but it isn't doing a good job at it as the punishment is unrelated to the crime.
I don't want spoilers. My comments were just about the current chapters.
Hence why I put the spoilers up as a just in case!
But yeah I get your points! Her firing WAS done emotionally! Because Maria decided to take it into her own hands! It's hard for ME specific to feel sorry for the unjust because of what happened to Reito, and note Reito is UNAWARE of this, meaning it was done WITHOUT his blessing or permission! But you know how it goes, you should LESS fear retalation from those you wrong and MORE from thos CONNECTED to those you wronged more LOL
But to be serious! I would be AGAINST the firing, and we know Reito would as well. But then again she was HIRED because of her connecton to Reito and as a favor. Yeah she WAS ignorant to how she was hired and never told, but I doubt Reito was involvd in her hiring, Maria DID say she hired her mostly Nepo because of Reito, and was FIRING her because of Reito. It's hard to be MORE against it because of HOW she broke up with Reito! If it had been more REASONABLE even if it ended BADLY, I'd be mad she was fired for something that wasn't Maria's business (even though in this scenario it STILL isn't her business) but instead Ex was a BITCH about the whole thing and WASN'T sorry about what her NEW MAN did! So it's abit of KArma (I think Next chapter or next time we see them is when the Asswipe FINALLY admits to her about Reito's identity and why he was asking about him. Something had she KNOWN she might not hav been OFF GUARD with what happened, though I doubt she knew Maria and ZERO much less Reito were connected
But I get your feelings, even if I DON'T feel for her, I will acknowledge her firing was unjust, and the story at least ACKNOWLEDGES it (even though it more acknowledges that it's meant to be KARMA for what happened to Reito, because she didn't care to THINK about him after chapter 1 and is upset when anyone RUINS her delusion BY trying to do so, that was still something she) Maria is even READY for the inevitable CONSEQUENCES of said action, even harm to her reptuation as it is STILL an unjust firing! But that's why it's an EMOTIONAL one as she did it following her EMOTIONS instead of any REAL Logic, as REITO can't be used as this would be more a SLAP to him as he made clear "he wasn't against PUNISHMENT, only "go easy on them" and was likely unaware of the . She COULD try to go to him, but we know even IF she could find him as she wouldn't likely know how to reach him as she destroyed all contacts and doesn't know where he lives, she likely WOULDN'T because her ego at the moment would see it as ADMITTING her wrong and begging for help.....he'd have given BECAUSE it was wrong and tried to get Maria to see reason because this was NOT what he'd want! She'd DIE before that point ("wink wink" LOL)
Pretty much. Kaori is very ignorant of the world and in how it works. Reito didn't help her become aware of the world either, especially when he knew how important he was to the world as one of its top adventurers. She was basically like a caged bird he loved and kept around. And now she's getting punished for being influenced by and following the words of others while she hasn't actually done anything outside of cheating on Reito. It's way too contrived to make us hate her just because she cheated on him.
Dont miscontrue my words. While yes Kaori ruined everything by cheating on him, relationships are complicated and having a healthy one involves properly communicating with your partner to to ensure you're both happy. It's never truly one person's fault when it breaks apart, unless they're just plain cartoonishly evil. Reito may have done things he believed to be right as a boyfriend, but that's just his one sided judgement regarding things. He never properly looked at Kaori and communicated to her about what he was doing nor made her aware of his actual position as an Adventurer. Kaori taking things for granted never bothered to ask and stayed completely ignorant without addressing her concerns regarding him, his job, and her own situation. She only realized things after it was already too late and it didn't even come from Reito himself but what was happening around her to make her realize things. Their relationship was never going to last in the long term with how they were going about things.
True that, and sorry abit for the aggression! (Cheaters and anything that sounds like support of them even IN fiction is a berserk button for me, so I saw red and may have been abit of a DICK then I SHOULD have been, for that I apologize) and you are right, I saw it too! They were DOOMED because Kaori was the cause of it! She never bothered to say ANYTHING, expected him to do ALL the hard work, cheated on him instead of breaking up! Even though LATER she DOES come to terms with it! I like to believe she would AGREE if she was real and saw your reply LOL at that point in the story. But this is why relationships fail, especially with unrepentant cheaters! They know their EGO's which are HUGE won't SURVIVE the NEEDLE that "pops the ballon" if they admit and own up to it! And so they are FAILURES of partners!
Majorly when the shit did what SHE did to Reito! Cheated on her, blame the ENTIRE affair completely on her and insulted her! I view NEVER talking to your SO and just CHEATING as the ULTIMATE cowardice! Hence I LOATHE my Sperm Donor, the CULPRET of my hatred, at that point at her LOWEST did she FINALLY own up to her faults! And improved, the fact she NEVER contacts Reito or has anything to do with him is ALSO a growth in character, because it's ACKNOWLEDGING she ruined things and they were ALWAYS doomed because while he was MATURING out of sight, she was being the same IMMATURE brat that she was when they met, never getting better, even her SHOCK of the ass being MAD she was SPENDING "his money" caught her off guard because she thought it was EXPECTED! She was on cloud 9, and only by hitting the ground hard did she FINALLY wake up! Last time she sees ASSWIPE, it's funny how she ACKNOWLEDGES her disgust at how STUPID her past self was to have NOT seen what a TURD he was, though her new friends remind that the old her wasn't that much better, hence why she didn't! She's just REMINDED of what a stupid TWAT she was, we all have that moment in our lives when we look back! LOL