Netorare Manga no Kuzu Otoko ni Tensei Shita Hazu ga Heroine ga Yottekuru Ken - Vol. 2 Ch. 10 - Going Clubbing for the First Time in a While [UNCENSO…

[rluka]

how do you know the story does this have a ln or this has more raw chapters

Web novel straight to manga.

The author’s two or three other work went through light novel phase first.
For story, I think this one is more refined. It doesn't have as much sex though, but also no harem. The concept is similar: reincarnate into a porn as the antagonist, but the girl actually loves him from the start and not the story MC.

Then there are the ones this story focuses on.

They term this one BSS (I loved her first), where the girl is not even aware about the victim's feeling.
But this genre does seem to be not familiar enough yet. Still saw angry people in ero manga comment section calling the girl a slut, while in fact she's just having sex with her boyfriend, and the story MC is just under delusion he is privileged to get the girl, and not another man.

I don't think many people care enough about fine-definition between NTR sub-genre though,
Even for the three basic (netorare (victim focus), netori (perpetrator focus), netorase (he asks for it)).

 

[quaicai12]

girl likes NTR mc, but the true NTR was her brother and now NTR mc has to commit NTR to counter this, what a twist

 

[cksn]

it's baffling that netori is grouped with the "other kinds of ntr" like they have anything in common
almost as confusing as homosexuality

 

[Sknite]

Bro just wants a normal love life. Why are you doing this to him.

 

[alfirizkyr]

I don't think it is the same guy.
But if it is, we already know he would go for rape if he thinks the girl would be into someone else. So very deserved.

I think it's the same dude given the name and setting. I'm guessing the supposed sequel goes like this: Sohei was heartbroken from the entire Shizuka affair in the original work > new girl transferred in class > they developed romance > her brother raped her > girl couldn't let go of brother due to either the usual ochiru trope or for fear of him hurting Sohei > Sohei gets netorare once more.

It does rely somewhat on the first story of Sohei already being BSS'd by the body our MC inhibits, hence the sequel tag.

 

[rluka]

new girl transferred in class

Her brother is Sohei’s “best friend” character, so she’s older than them.

 

[YoraeRasante]

They term this one BSS (I loved her first), where the girl is not even aware about the victim's feeling.
But this genre does seem to be not familiar enough yet. Still saw angry people in ero manga comment section calling the girl a slut, while in fact she's just having sex with her boyfriend, and the story MC is just under delusion he is privileged to get the girl, and not another man.

I don't think many people care enough about fine-definition between NTR sub-genre though,
Even for the three basic (netorare (victim focus), netori (perpetrator focus), netorase (he asks for it)).

Huh, never heard of BSS before.

And yeah, since they are all consider "NTR" many sites just tag "netorare" so it is kinda hard to tell which it is. I usually only explain the distinction for netorase because, while netori and netorare could be the same story from different points of view, netorase has an unmistakeable plot element that is usually made clear from the start.

 

[rluka]

They should have just put the abbreviated NTR as tag so there’s no debating over details

 

[lordb1]

I'm not sure that this author knows what NTR really is. You can't NTR someone, NOT in a relationship. The dude from story 1 was just a violent simp who got a little rapey before getting kicked to the curb. The guy from story 2 seems to be simping for his sister and will probably get rapey as well before being kicked to the curb (but that's just a guess based on him stealing her panties).

 

[rluka]

The author is not lying though, not in this, nor his other work.

The title refers to the ero manga the MC read before getting reincarnated into it. In that story, Shizuna was in relationship with Sohei, then Ryuuichi raped and stole her. It fits the criteria.

The issue is, readers are assuming the NTR in the title refers to this manga we read, not the in-universe ero manga the character read.

 

[Lum21]

Saving the girls by ntr ing them from the guys

 

[Kuyu]

Since there are other girls and guys, I would say that the hentai he read was NETORI, and not netorare/NTR.
Since he stole from mulitiple men and not just one guy, he was clearly the main character of that series.
Being the main character would make that series Netori.

Just... so anyone wants to know.

 

[Trevoga]

"Satsuki-san has big breasts, after all...", says a girl with big breasts.

Jebus, this “pure love” idol bullshit will be the death of Japan. Abe would roll in his grave…

packwatch

 

[electro_neanderthal]

Honestly, NTR has messed me up mentally, and porn has messed up my life a lot, too. That said, I'm seeing a lot of flawed definitions being argued for or against, so let me correct that.

The useful understandings are as follows:

1) netorare (designed to make the reader feel what the person who lost their love interest feels).

2) netori (designed to make the reader feel what the person stealing the love interest of another person feels).

3) netorase (designed to make the reader feel the person losing their love interest deserves it).

Keep in mind, a story can fail to do what it was designed to do, but it's usually pretty apparent what the author's intention was regardless of their success.

 

[CyanHide]

If I remember correctly, this new girl is indeed the next harem member.

Spoiler about her circumstances:

Spoiler: Spoiler

The guy is her brother who is really possessive, to the point of committing incest. Possessive as in the creepy-as-fuck kind, as you can probably tell from his eyes. He attempted rape, but she was able to escape to our MC's house. She then proceeds to stay for days and pretty sure gets her brother sent away after speaking with their parents. Might be misremembering things since I read too many things since reading the WN for this manga.

If it isn't obvious already, the original main characters are all creepy in some way, which isn't obvious when playing as the original main character or seeing things in his perspective. But since our MC is an outsider, we get a glimpse into how their actions come off as unconfident and really creepy.

Huh, so the childhood friend from the first arc wasn't weirdly warped, that's who he really was all along? It's still a shame that a normal vanilla ending the MC wanted to happen was impossible, but now I feel less conflicted.

 

[rluka]

Netorase is a specific scenario where the boyfriend gives blessing (usually from curiosity), and usually the girl turns to like the other man better after it.
If we only see the part where the boyfriend deserve it, there are ntr story where the boyfriend actually treat the girl badly (such as abusive boyfriend/husband) and the bull actually treat her with more care, so the boyfriend deserve it.

Another way is see it grammatically.
Netori is active form, the viewer is the side doing the action. Netorare is passive form, the viewer is the side on the receiving end.
While Netorase is... transitive(?), where the viewer allow the antagonist to do it (regardless of if he will regret it later).

Huh, so the childhood friend from the first arc wasn't weirdly warped, that's who he really was all along? It's still a shame that a normal vanilla ending the MC wanted to happen was impossible, but now I feel less conflicted.

The author play with how the actual situation is different from the porn manga the MC read.

Well, the situation also changes.
In the original story, Shizuna never saw anything good from Ryuuichi, so she doesn’t like him. Souhei got no competition, so he took his time and finally managed to become Shizuna’s boyfriend.
In the current incarnation though, Shizuna found something she is interested in from Ryuuichi (and found him attractive with all his strength and flaw). It’s different from the mind-broken version in the original story. Meanwhile, Souhei who saw Shizuna is distancing herself, added with your typical MC’s low self-esteem, fell in panic and made stupid choices.

 

[CyanHide]

Well, the situation also changes.
In the original story, Shizuna never saw anything good from Ryuuichi, so she doesn’t like him. Souhei got no competition, so he took his time and finally managed to become Shizuna’s boyfriend.
In the current incarnation though, Shizuna found something she is interested in from Ryuuichi (and found him attractive with all his strength and flaw). It’s different from the mind-broken version in the original story. Meanwhile, Souhei who saw Shizuna is distancing herself, added with your typical MC’s low self-esteem, fell in panic and made stupid choices.

Thank you for the recap and clarifications, it's hard to make a proper comparison between the two scenarios without retreading old ground with the pace this updates at.

 

[crackkid]

Don't know if I said it before, but while I normally despise NTR, creepy shit stains like these "MC" dudes definitely deserve to be cucked. These types are one of the very few NTRs that I approve. Glad author had justifications for their would be otherwise fucked up story.

 

[wallsg]

Is FMC really "pure"? She sure enjoy when MC intimidates other men to protect her. I remember a reddit post about a story where some dude's girlfriend like to instigate fights so her boyfriend has to fight to protect her. Dude keeps winning the fight until one day he couldn't and get knocked out, the girlfriend ended up dumping him to go out with the one who won the fight. Funny story, dunno if it's true or just made up.

Sounds like most of the animal kingdom to me.

 

[wallsg]

if I didn't want to get hit on I would simply not go to a club dressed like I want to get hit on

Women have the right to dress however they like. Men don't have the right to do anything they want just because the woman dresses some way. Unfortunately many will anyway. That doesn't make it "right", just reality. Predators go after what looks to be easy prey.