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ur completely right !! sorry for replying to a comment that was made so long ago but the entire time I was hoping Ogeha wouldve evolved with the help of her alien cohorts or something. I really didn't like Kiji as a character and the other characters were more interesting than him. His 'love interest' was more interesting than him and he kept calling her filthy. It was weird and gross, and tbh I just wanted to know more about Ogeha rather than see Kiji call her filthy just for existing.
Someone posted a single image of this on a different app and it inspired me to hunt it down. It was worth it. Ogeha is adorable, despite what the author says. I wish they had flushed out Kiji's background more, so we could understand his psychology better but you don't get that in real life. People are who they are. A lot of people seem to dislike Kiji, which is understandable, but what would your reaction be to a giant egg in a park surrounded by dead plants? You would have called the authorities and Ogeha would be dead. His childlike mentality inadvertently saved Ogeha and she inadvertently brought some light and caring back into his life. Trying to see this from the perspective of two humans interacting is what, I think, ruined this for a lot of people. Very unique story with a unique combination of cute and grotesque. Wish there was a chance of a continuation.
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Sociopaths are people with uncontrollably violence emotions. Kiji's a psychopath.
You have those backwards
This was such an interesting read... but it just fell too short for me.
I really want to like this manga but I can't sympathize enough with the MC because of how unlikable he is. Maybe if they delved deeper into his backstory—something that would tell me more about his psychology and the way he thinks the way he does. In my opinion, they could've made it so that MC was also abused which would have influenced him heavily. Ogeha then could've been made to see this abuse take place herself and let her empathize with him.
This could have been so much more in my opinion, but with the way it was written right now, it just rubs me the wrong way. We don't see him change in any significant way that would indicate he wouldn't keep treating Ogeha the same apathetic way. While yes, we see him go to extreme lengths to find her telling us that he actually cares about Ogeha, but can we really say he changed overnight? Maybe the author was trying to tell us that the hobo getting assaulted was enough to convince Ogeha that Kiji was going through the same thing, but we don't see that! In fact, there was a lot of things left out here that was left either accidentally or intentionally vague, but even then the author never clarified.
Overall, I think this was such a beautiful concept, but I don't think it justifies their relationship by the end in my opinion. It just needs to be expanded upon more, but either the author didn't know how to or felt rushed to complete it and wanted to move on to other ideas. Regardless, I think it was a cute, albeit pretty sad story that left a bittersweet taste in my mouth. Such a shame it fell short on it's messaging
This could have been so much more in my opinion, but with the way it was written right now, it just rubs me the wrong way. We don't see him change in any significant way that would indicate he wouldn't keep treating Ogeha the same apathetic way. While yes, we see him go to extreme lengths to find her telling us that he actually cares about Ogeha, but can we really say he changed overnight? Maybe the author was trying to tell us that the hobo getting assaulted was enough to convince Ogeha that Kiji was going through the same thing, but we don't see that! In fact, there was a lot of things left out here that was left either accidentally or intentionally vague, but even then the author never clarified.
Overall, I think this was such a beautiful concept, but I don't think it justifies their relationship by the end in my opinion. It just needs to be expanded upon more, but either the author didn't know how to or felt rushed to complete it and wanted to move on to other ideas. Regardless, I think it was a cute, albeit pretty sad story that left a bittersweet taste in my mouth. Such a shame it fell short on it's messaging
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For real this time though.
The real problem with Kiji is not that he's a character "hard to understand" it's that the readers want to believe that the main character of the story is a good person and they get uncomfortable when all the actions of the main character reads as someone who's an impulsive, manipulative psychopath.
And this aspect is not really cleared up even in the more impactful moments like him just casually mentioning wanting to die, Ogeha crying over it and Kiji appreciating her because of it. Like your mind wants to think that this is a cute moment but it's still weird because of the nature of the relationship between Kiji and Ogeha.
Because at the end of the day it all started with a psycho kidnapping an alien girl, isolating her and treating her like a pet. Ogeha is basically dependent on Kiji for her survival, like even emotionally dependent. Even though she could've gone with the alien caterpillars at the end of the day they were just using her for their own purposes as well.
Like in these kind of stories, of "young man suddenly has to take care of non-human girl", the girl usually impacts the dude's social life in a positive way by connecting people with the mc and generally improving both of their lives with both of them finding a place in society. But it's kind of impossible with Ogeha because Kiji just straight up told her that he's the only one that can take care of her and other people will kill her.
Or maybe I'm just over-analyzing the fact that a guy just hit, starved and lied to a girl without ever apologizing about it? Who knows.
The real problem with Kiji is not that he's a character "hard to understand" it's that the readers want to believe that the main character of the story is a good person and they get uncomfortable when all the actions of the main character reads as someone who's an impulsive, manipulative psychopath.
And this aspect is not really cleared up even in the more impactful moments like him just casually mentioning wanting to die, Ogeha crying over it and Kiji appreciating her because of it. Like your mind wants to think that this is a cute moment but it's still weird because of the nature of the relationship between Kiji and Ogeha.
Because at the end of the day it all started with a psycho kidnapping an alien girl, isolating her and treating her like a pet. Ogeha is basically dependent on Kiji for her survival, like even emotionally dependent. Even though she could've gone with the alien caterpillars at the end of the day they were just using her for their own purposes as well.
Like in these kind of stories, of "young man suddenly has to take care of non-human girl", the girl usually impacts the dude's social life in a positive way by connecting people with the mc and generally improving both of their lives with both of them finding a place in society. But it's kind of impossible with Ogeha because Kiji just straight up told her that he's the only one that can take care of her and other people will kill her.
Or maybe I'm just over-analyzing the fact that a guy just hit, starved and lied to a girl without ever apologizing about it? Who knows.
I wasn't planning on making a comment about this manga because it's very short and feels a bit meaningless due to how old it is and how little attention it seems to get, but honestly, i finished it more enfuriated than before i read it, so i'll just put my thought out on here.
This manga, particularly for me, has three major flaws, the MC, the narrative, and the development, with the ladder being more about the lack thereof.
The problem with Kiji as a character is that he never really gets a reasoning, he's basically a psychopath, end of the point. Some parts of the manga seem to point at the idea that he may have more than he shows, but that doesn't get developed, so we're left with a character that's just a psychopath, and he's pretty boring at that. The narrative that he's 'dense' in regards to other people's feelings is good, but at times it seems to portray him as a dumbass more than anything, and when complemented with the fact that he lacks empathy, there's just no reason for the viewer to like him, which is also enchanded by the fact he doesn't get developed. You end up hating him and wanting Ogeha to kill him or something, there's no reason to feel empathy or want anything good for the MC. What should be his strength, narratively speaking, became his biggest flaw.
The narrative that surrounds the main plot is interesting, Kiji's male friend is enthusiastic and talks a lot whenever he's on the screen, he's very charismatic. The girl is also very nice, albeit, her crush and interactions with the main character, who doesn't even remember her, seem really forced, Kiji is a very dismissive and uncaring person even to the other characters, are we meant to assume she just likes him because she thinks he's good looking?
The world around the MC is much more interesting than the MC himself, to the point that i think that the MC is a deservice to the plot. His develoment through the series is basically non existant and gives us pretty much nothing to work with and, worst of all, never acknowledges the fact that he tortured a little girl.
At the start of the story, i honestly felt a ting of stomach twist because we just saw a psycho kidnapping what's essentially an alien kid and starving her to almost death, then treating her like some disposable thing, and he doesn't get any punishment for that? It made me feel like the rest of the story would be all about a defenseless alien being tortured by some edgy kid while she tries to escape him and failing, which isn't far from what happens through most of it. Also, what is this ending?
Many mangas have done the 'Father and Monster Daughter' trope, so it's nothing new, just a man with his cute dumb little kid having 'moe' moments in a Slice of Life, day to day basis, but the idea to put a psycho to be the MC is somewhat interesting, especially because, at the start, it seems to flow nicely, because you suppose he'll be learning with her, and her learning with him, simple, wich again, is expected on what you'd expect on this trope. Unfortunately, that never happens, Kiji doesn't learn anything, nor does suffer for any of his actions, and just reaps off the stockholm syndrome of an alien child after he kidnapps, let her starve, gaslit her into thinking every other human other than him is evil, hurt her wing multiple times, and probably more offenses that i don't really wanna look at the manga again to list. But hey, atleast she ate a cheeseburger
3/10. Ogeha is cute a cute character. But the manga seems to have been made just as an excuse to hurt cute characters for no reason, while the story was just made along the way.
This manga, particularly for me, has three major flaws, the MC, the narrative, and the development, with the ladder being more about the lack thereof.
The problem with Kiji as a character is that he never really gets a reasoning, he's basically a psychopath, end of the point. Some parts of the manga seem to point at the idea that he may have more than he shows, but that doesn't get developed, so we're left with a character that's just a psychopath, and he's pretty boring at that. The narrative that he's 'dense' in regards to other people's feelings is good, but at times it seems to portray him as a dumbass more than anything, and when complemented with the fact that he lacks empathy, there's just no reason for the viewer to like him, which is also enchanded by the fact he doesn't get developed. You end up hating him and wanting Ogeha to kill him or something, there's no reason to feel empathy or want anything good for the MC. What should be his strength, narratively speaking, became his biggest flaw.
Kiji saw a chimera human-butterfly girl get slushed out of a gigantic egg in the middle of a forest, he thought it was 'disgusting' despite anything from her torso and biceps until the top of her head being human, he, for some ungodly reason, assumed it was a insect, despite being a gigantic human monster, and he needed an adult to explain him simple stuff about butterflies to think "Oh yeah, i'm underfeeding it"? He doesn't feel like someone who can't relate to others, he feels like someone who doesn't even know how to count his fingers, he's retarded, and he's continuously retarded through it all.
At the classroom scene, there's this big, wide panel where he says 'Why can't i just die already', and then Ogeha cries, Kiji calling her cute after. That could have been an incredible scene to, maybe pull a flashback that explains why he's such an awful person or anything in general that goes beyond this character being a selfish prick, but instead, it is more over used to humanize Ogeha, who by this point doesn't need it because you already feel pity for her for having to deal with him, while the only thing he gets is saying she's cute? Is that supposed to be his emotional development? Smiling and saying she's cute for crying for him?
At the classroom scene, there's this big, wide panel where he says 'Why can't i just die already', and then Ogeha cries, Kiji calling her cute after. That could have been an incredible scene to, maybe pull a flashback that explains why he's such an awful person or anything in general that goes beyond this character being a selfish prick, but instead, it is more over used to humanize Ogeha, who by this point doesn't need it because you already feel pity for her for having to deal with him, while the only thing he gets is saying she's cute? Is that supposed to be his emotional development? Smiling and saying she's cute for crying for him?
The narrative that surrounds the main plot is interesting, Kiji's male friend is enthusiastic and talks a lot whenever he's on the screen, he's very charismatic. The girl is also very nice, albeit, her crush and interactions with the main character, who doesn't even remember her, seem really forced, Kiji is a very dismissive and uncaring person even to the other characters, are we meant to assume she just likes him because she thinks he's good looking?
The world around the MC is much more interesting than the MC himself, to the point that i think that the MC is a deservice to the plot. His develoment through the series is basically non existant and gives us pretty much nothing to work with and, worst of all, never acknowledges the fact that he tortured a little girl.
Why did he spend time searching for her even though, to him, it was a 'whatever, she'll come back to eat' situation? Why did he spend more time searching after not finding? Just because his friend told him that cats go away when dying? Is he trying to find a corpse? And why did he spend EVEN MORE on the search after completely assuming she was dead? This time, even screaming her name on the streets. Why is he screaming? What's the mysterious emotional development that changed him from a neglectful apathetic person to screaming on the streets? Was it sleeping beside her and then waiting for a few days? Was it thinking that she really died? This man was LITERALLY on his cellphone after not finding her the first time.
He also threw himself out of the top of a building for a weird blob of something that is probably the equivalent of egg yolk of an alien butterfly, the moment doesn't feel impactful, not only because, like, a chapter prior he was sitting on his own butt, and before that, torturing the poor girl, but also because i don't like him, and why should i? He's throwing himself from a building for egg yolk, and he's a shitty person, he can die, i don't care, you never gave me a reason to care. Not only that, but Ogeha kills the insects that got her away from Kiji, why would she do that? Because they told her to not save a horrible person? Which she agrees in many instances that he's horrible, even having nightmares, and second, why would you kill the only other beings that have been rooting for Ogeha? Once again, he's a horrible person, he can die, i don't care.
He also threw himself out of the top of a building for a weird blob of something that is probably the equivalent of egg yolk of an alien butterfly, the moment doesn't feel impactful, not only because, like, a chapter prior he was sitting on his own butt, and before that, torturing the poor girl, but also because i don't like him, and why should i? He's throwing himself from a building for egg yolk, and he's a shitty person, he can die, i don't care, you never gave me a reason to care. Not only that, but Ogeha kills the insects that got her away from Kiji, why would she do that? Because they told her to not save a horrible person? Which she agrees in many instances that he's horrible, even having nightmares, and second, why would you kill the only other beings that have been rooting for Ogeha? Once again, he's a horrible person, he can die, i don't care.
At the start of the story, i honestly felt a ting of stomach twist because we just saw a psycho kidnapping what's essentially an alien kid and starving her to almost death, then treating her like some disposable thing, and he doesn't get any punishment for that? It made me feel like the rest of the story would be all about a defenseless alien being tortured by some edgy kid while she tries to escape him and failing, which isn't far from what happens through most of it. Also, what is this ending?
Did you seriously expect me to be happy about that ending? "Oh wow! Ogeha finally got back to be friends with her captor! Yiiipeeee!!!"... Actually, not even friends. She says that she wants to have his children. Awesome! Not only does he not only, NEVER suffer for all the bad he did to her, but she's also in implied love with him. Everything's well when ends well i guess.
Many mangas have done the 'Father and Monster Daughter' trope, so it's nothing new, just a man with his cute dumb little kid having 'moe' moments in a Slice of Life, day to day basis, but the idea to put a psycho to be the MC is somewhat interesting, especially because, at the start, it seems to flow nicely, because you suppose he'll be learning with her, and her learning with him, simple, wich again, is expected on what you'd expect on this trope. Unfortunately, that never happens, Kiji doesn't learn anything, nor does suffer for any of his actions, and just reaps off the stockholm syndrome of an alien child after he kidnapps, let her starve, gaslit her into thinking every other human other than him is evil, hurt her wing multiple times, and probably more offenses that i don't really wanna look at the manga again to list. But hey, atleast she ate a cheeseburger
3/10. Ogeha is cute a cute character. But the manga seems to have been made just as an excuse to hurt cute characters for no reason, while the story was just made along the way.
