Ohitorisama ni wa Naremashita no de. Konyakusha Houchi-chuu! - Ch. 5

[MangaDex]

 

[catbot158]

lol the glasses guy with the torture- I mean- lie detector machine

 

[epicfail48]

GOATed classmates

Also, fuck that guy with a cactus, as is tradition

 

[Ann2004]

I'm loving this rn, go girl, live your own life, you don't need no man

 

[Dingo777]

Real talk, this is fucking hilarious, at this point I don’t even want them to end up fixing things I just want her to be happy and independent while the entire student base absolutely rips the dude to shreds

 

[Marshewmellow]

Is this group an official publisher or nah why are chapters paywalled in their site wtf

 

[Forikorder]

Real talk, this is fucking hilarious, at this point I don’t even want them to end up fixing things I just want her to be happy and independent while the entire student base absolutely rips the dude to shreds

after this chapter its clear that hes simply incapable of it, hes still acting arrogant and agressive and shows no signs of remorse or guilt

 

[Another_Astartes]

Polygraph? I guess this could be 1900

 

[Dingo777]

after this chapter its clear that hes simply incapable of it, hes still acting arrogant and agressive and shows no signs of remorse or guilt

This is I think the only “romcom” I’ve found where I’m actively rooting for the people who keep interrupting the main “couple” because it’s clear she enjoys herself way more without him.

 

[WeabooExtract]

after this chapter its clear that hes simply incapable of it, hes still acting arrogant and agressive and shows no signs of remorse or guilt

Yep. Somehow this guy manages to be just as much of a piece of shit as the typical otome villains (abusive ex-husbands, power-abusing princes etc.)

 

[casual_reader1234]

Okay, after reading these comments, I have a potentially hot take.

I kinda get where Gaius is coming from. I do agree with the overall sentiment that she can be happy alone, and that them getting together is not necessary for a happy ending. Dude totally screwed up. He's been acting dumb, and is sort of a POS. But there is a big difference between deliberate POS and accidental POS (of which I believe he's the later). The whole student body could tear him to shreds, but why do that to a person who already recognizes that he screwed up? He already knows he did wrong, and is trying to make up for that in his own way, even though he sucks at it.

I think it is exactly because he feels remorseful that he's making these efforts. Sure, maybe he's doing this for his own sake, but I get the impression that he really understands like he hurt her and wants to correct that. If Nicole is willing to take those reconciliation steps, no harm done. The issue isn't that she's averse to reconciliation, but she has gotten so convinced that Gaius wants to be with Caroline that she believes it wouldn't happen. She almost got proven wrong, but then Gaius got interfered with. That's okay, and it is funny, but I'm honestly kind of mixed on how I feel about glasses guy. Everything Nicole said was literally about the book she was reading but instead of confirming what the situation was (which he could have enlisted his fiance/wife to help with), he just immediately, without hesitation, assumed that she was getting abused. To be fair, public perception of Gaius is not very high because of the way he has been acting, so deserved. And good on the classmates for protecting her since they didn't know for sure. BUT, they're not acting like it's a possibility and just taking extra care of her for now, they're acting like it's a firmly established fact, which is totally different. I do concede that it is effective and reasonable from a story perspective, and it works for the comedy, but it rubs me the wrong way when the comments don't address that false accusations are being made. Honestly, if someone randomly came at me with an abuse or SA accusation (things that I would never, ever, ever, ever, even consider doing), I'd be a little upset too. Gaius isn't responding in the wisest way, but not sure how him being aggressive here is seen as POS behavior, especially when it's happening right after he realized his screw up (after his friends just called him out for being a POS) and is trying his best to start doing things right, ASAP.

I'm happy for Nicole that this whole situation is resulting in some new friendships for her. Again, I think if they don't end up together at the end, that would be a satisfactory ending. Nicole is thriving right now. But I don't think "ripping him to shreds", claiming that "he shows no signs of remorse or guilt", calling him a POS and leaving at that, or enabling any unforgiveness is a good response to this character (and honestly, I'm not a fan of how often comments "cancel" a character without fully trying to be understanding of them first, even if the character is absolutely wrong). Because ultimately, what Nicole is feeling is resignation. Yes, she would be more than fine without him, but I think she reacted this way precisely because she has/had feelings and hoped they would be reciprocated. Also considering the social context, she would be better off being married than not. I guess you could argue that she should just be with someone else, and if the story went that way, I would root for the new guy. But if Gaius is willing to change (which the author is clearly demonstrating he is), wisens up, gets his act together, and learns to be more honest, I think them being together would still work, and maybe even be sweet.

Anyway, this really long but my point is this: them going separate ways is fine. But if they do that, I think it should only be after the notion in Nicole's mind that she is not wanted is fully broken down. They both have their issues. Gaius is a big dummy. Nicole is fully convinced of a lie to such a degree that she's not able to see any other option that than what she established in her mind, even after being told, to her face, by the man in question that it wasn't true. When Caroline invited her for tea, she didn't even given Caroline moment to speak, just making her "I won't interfere" declarations and leaving (basically). Gaius's "sin" is worse because his behavior caused that, but I don't think it would be good for anyone if they break things off before everything is fully clarified. Thus, I am rooting for Gaius still because I want him to have the chance to, first off, clear his name of the abuse allegations, but also to make his feelings clear so that, if Nicole ultimately rejects him, it can be from a place of "I'm happier without you", rather than "You love Caroline so I'll get out of the way".

Maybe I'm out of place for thinking this way but these comments felt pretty one-sided so...yeah. Looking forward to the "[username] reacted to your post in the thread [chapter name] with 'Dumb'/'Strike'" alerts. Thanks y'all.

 

[Elandriel]

Okay, tldr

I agree with you but I wanted to react with dumb/strike out of principle. Instead I bequeath unto you a drink.

But I do agree. I think he's trying to make up for his foolishness. And there's a lot....a whole lot.......way super a lot of foolishness to make up for. But at least it wasn't from hostility or contempt. He's just a moron.

 

[casual_reader1234]

I agree with you but I wanted to react with dumb/strike out of principle. Instead I bequeath unto you a drink.

But I do agree. I think he's trying to make up for his foolishness. And there's a lot....a whole lot.......way super a lot of foolishness to make up for. But at least it wasn't from hostility or contempt. He's just a moron.

Much appreciated

Yeah, he's just dumb. Which, contrary to popular belief, is curable.

 

[Acrelorraine]

I kinda get where Gaius is coming from. I do agree with the overall sentiment that she can be happy alone, and that them getting together is not necessary for a happy ending. Dude totally screwed up. He's been acting dumb, and is sort of a POS. But there is a big difference between deliberate POS and accidental POS (of which I believe he's the later). The whole student body could tear him to shreds, but why do that to a person who already recognizes that he screwed up? He already knows he did wrong, and is trying to make up for that in his own way, even though he sucks at it.

He knows he did wrong. But every time he tries to do something about it, he bursts in like a king and makes demands. He orders her around. He tells her what is going to happen instead of inviting her places.

He doesn’t even make his own choices, he copies the others in the council and assumes it is going to fix things. When he has to behave like a human to his fiance, he clams up or runs off.

He’s trying to fix his relationship without doing anything to fix himself. I’m not convinced he knows he’s been acting improperly, only that he’s been told it is so.

He hasn’t realized that he was a dick not to give her flowers, he was told. He didn’t realize he was an ass to not meet her for lunch in over a year, he was told.

Until he starts trying to be better to be better, not because his fiancé isn’t catering to him, he will get no sympathy from me.

 

[casual_reader1234]

He knows he did wrong. But every time he tries to do something about it, he bursts in like a king and makes demands. He orders her around. He tells her what is going to happen instead of inviting her places.

He doesn’t even make his own choices, he copies the others in the council and assumes it is going to fix things. When he has to behave like a human to his fiance, he clams up or runs off.

He’s trying to fix his relationship without doing anything to fix himself. I’m not convinced he knows he’s been acting improperly, only that he’s been told it is so.

He hasn’t realized that he was a dick not to give her flowers, he was told. He didn’t realize he was an ass to not meet her for lunch in over a year, he was told.

Until he starts trying to be better to be better, not because his fiancé isn’t catering to him, he will get no sympathy from me.

Yeah, I get that. He definitely is demanding and very immature about it. His fiance not catering to him is certainly what got his attention, but I think he is very, and I mean VERY, slowly beginning to realize that her feelings were hurt. Thus, I still sympathize with him a little bit, but my sympathy is more in the sense of seeing the potential for growth and hoping that it becomes fully realized while that tiny sliver of time remain before the situation is entirely irreparable. He's getting told what he did wrong at first, and that's not great, but I am hoping he will grow into an understanding where he can recognize it on his own.

Despite this story being total fiction, I think this setup (a guy not knowing better and fumbling the bag; saying that as a guy) is pretty realistic. Hence, my rooting for him/sympathizing with him is from the standpoint of enjoying watching over a person and/or character as they grow, and being glad when they succeed the right way due to the growth that they've experienced. For instance, I'll still be happy for him even if he fails to win her over at the end, as long as he learns from it. Inversely, I'll be disappointed if he succeeds in winning her over using the wrong tactics and motivations because it would mean that he didn't learn anything, and that Nicole is dumb too. That would be a terrible ending. I don't know. I guess I just like to stay hopeful and look at the characters for what they could be, rather than what they are right now. I only fully give up on them when they show no hints of changing for the better, (like Prince Julian from "The Too-Perfect Saint". Watching that outcome was blissful. Tbf, he was a comically idiotic villain from the start, but I digress) and Gaius is definitely moving in the right direction so I'm still looking forward to watching him learn from his mistakes and get it right eventually.

 

[Kingdo]

Oh, the part with the lie detector or the abuse's accusation weren't in the novel.

 

[Kingdo]

Yeah, I get that. He definitely is demanding and very immature about it. His fiance not catering to him is certainly what got his attention

Well, yes and no. He was mildly bothered by Nicole, but that was it.
He started to care when his coworker asks about it.
Then he truly cares when he learns that Nicole wants a white marriage.

 

[casual_reader1234]

Well, yes and no. He was mildly bothered by Nicole, but that was it.
He started to care when his coworker asks about it.
Then he truly cares when he learns that Nicole wants a white marriage.

Man, I don't know why I'm so invested in this character. But yeah, after re-reading chap. 4 and the beginning of 5, I'm even more convinced that Caius (not Gaius, whoops) is actually a pretty decent dude. He acknowledged all of his mistakes and is trying to take sincere steps to make things right. She said herself that she likely wouldn't be to find another proposal as good as this one. Considering the context of the society they're in, it would actually be better for her if they reconcile because she would not only be in a better position societally (which does matter, despite what some people may insist), but also be with a person that will take good care of her (not that she's fully aware of that yet).

This page says a lot about Caius: he actually does notice things for Nicole, recognizes her interests, and does want to get closer to her and know more about her and take better care of her, but feels awkward because he's more used to the "brotherly" relationship he's had with Caroline. He admitted to himself that he was in the wrong for staying in his comfort zone and clearly regrets it. He's actually a lot more on track than I gave him credit for. The way in which he made his "demands" was pretty unideal, but it was clear that he was, first off, nervous, and secondly, simply frustrated by Nicole's insistence on believing that Caius loves Caroline and would never be concerned about her. He didn't defend himself when his friends called him stupid either, and he was quick to take their advice and leap into action...before getting interrupted by the Nicole Protection Squad (who did the wrong thing for the right reasons).

As for Nicole, I don't think she would react the way she has if she had zero feelings for him. It's more like she "resigned" subconsciously because she feels inferior to Caroline (due to both status and how long Caroline and Caius have known each other) and decided that trying to keep Caius would be a lost cause. She's lonely. That loneliness is starting to dissipate because she's starting to find comforts in unexpected places as she tries new things that she never really thought about before. Plus the other girls trying to help her with the "abuse" problem is also helping (looking forward to her reaction when she finds out about that misunderstanding and how it came about). But, this page shows that a part of her is still hopeful that Caius might start being more attentive to her. Where there's a hope, there's a desire. She could just enjoy being alone/unmarried but, given those little hints of her desire to actually be with him that she's suppressing (for his sake, so she believes), societal contexts, and fact that misunderstandings are really annoying, I hope that they make it. However, we all know there will be a secondary ML that will be way better than Caius, but I'll have to see how good this secondary ML is before deciding to root for him or not.

 

[Psychronia]

This might be the first time I'm just gleefully laughing at the nosy public interfering and keeping a misunderstanding going. Caius really fucked up that much that most of us are actively rooting against him.

And honestly, it's wholesome to see the whole classroom actually step up to defend, in their minds, a poor girl being abused by her fiance. The girls quickly stepped in to make sure she wasn't isolated (vulnerable) while the boys stepped in to protect a lady like gentlemen should.

 

[Doedoel]

That's okay, and it is funny, but I'm honestly kind of mixed on how I feel about glasses guy. Everything Nicole said was literally about the book she was reading but instead of confirming what the situation was (which he could have enlisted his fiance/wife to help with), he just immediately, without hesitation, assumed that she was getting abused. To be fair, public perception of Gaius is not very high because of the way he has been acting, so deserved. And good on the classmates for protecting her since they didn't know for sure. BUT, they're not acting like it's a possibility and just taking extra care of her for now, they're acting like it's a firmly established fact, which is totally different.

Preach. It's funny, sure, but then I see news about false accusations ruining a person's life and I get back to the damp, sad reality. How hard is it to just ask her what just happened?