Ohitorisama ni wa Naremashita node.: Kon'yakusha Houchi-chuu! - Ch. 17 - Maidens 101: A Success?

[MangaDex]

 

[epicfail48]

Cactus fucker can still fuck a cactus before breaking that mindset that he's entitled to give orders to Nicole

 

[pink_rabbit]

I can't believe all of this was about her being a sports fan! Ha! The biggest theory was about a play but nah. Its sports!!

 

[UdenEmpati]

Marius instantly showing he's a better fiancé than Keios simply by taking an active/opt-in interest in Cecily's own interests.

Amazed the daft sod could leg it all around the city after Nicole what with his foot firmly entrenched on his mouth like this.

 

[Junpaku]

Well, got the crossdressing right but not the reason lol

 

[outinthegardener]

Kudos to the author for coming up with something none of us guessed. It was the doki doki of competitive violence!

 

[UdenEmpati]

Kudos to the author for coming up with something none of us guessed. It was the doki doki of competitive violence!

Who doesn't love big sweaty men slapping flesh on flesh in a dimly-lit & crowded back-alley tent amidst a crowd of hollering money-waving onlookers?

 

[spiffinn]

thanks for the update!

 

[nomadicengi]

What are the chances if the chapter lasted a bit longer, we might see the old meme from the Sherlock Holmes movie?

Somebody should have gotten discombobulated regardless if they were in the ring or not.

 

[rezced]

well done . Crossdress to satiate her crave of boxing.
Marius is such a good one. doesn't criticize but instead want to learn more about what she like. Keios can't even understand that.
Thanks for the tl

 

[Rafalga]

Cactus fucker can still fuck a cactus before breaking that mindset that he's entitled to give orders to Nicole

Not only that but he is still mega selfish. "I don't need to get involved if it's not gonna carry any favors with Nicole" is a CRIMSON red flag. It shows a great difference in mentality between them. She cares a lot about people regardless of their use to her while he simply doesn't.

He learned nothing and i think he is fundamentally a pretty shitty person. His naivety just keeps it in check to become much worse. But it will only get worse overtime when he gets what he wants.

 

[Loliconi]

let this agenda trash stew for a bit and sure it is pretty funny.
But the almost cult-like comments are the best even if I legit don‘t get any of them.

He isn‘t a changed man overnight or fully fixed or whatever you want to call it and he can‘t just be redeemed in a chapter or two.

But deliberately ignoring absolute character development and (this seemed kinda unintentional by the author even lmao) him sharing bad and good traits with each and every side character involved just makes the blind hate even weirder.

Almost feels like some readers only allow her to change and grow.. ironically feels like those readers are turning into his old self

 

[Vaudevillian]

let this agenda trash stew for a bit and sure it is pretty funny.
But the almost cult-like comments are the best even if I legit don‘t get any of them.

He isn‘t a changed man overnight or fully fixed or whatever you want to call it and he can‘t just be redeemed in a chapter or two.

But deliberately ignoring absolute character development and (this seemed kinda unintentional by the author even lmao) him sharing bad and good traits with each and every side character involved just makes the blind hate even weirder.

Almost feels like some readers only allow her to change and grow.. ironically feels like those readers are turning into his old self

While I agree that he is not going to change in a chapter, the bit, I think, you've missed is that he is not addressing the fundamental issue with his relationship, and thinks he can get what he wants with little change.

He's stubborn in that regard, and it also may be systemic in the way men are brought up in the manga, but I think he's still unconsciously bias in thinking that she'd change back with enough poking. The best and only solution is for him to come forward with everything, a solution he refuses to do.

 

[rphilly]

While I agree that he is not going to change in a chapter, the bit, I think, you've missed is that he is not addressing the fundamental issue with his relationship, and thinks he can get what he wants with little change.

He's stubborn in that regard, and it also may be systemic in the way men are brought up in the manga, but I think he's still unconsciously bias in thinking that she'd change back with enough poking. The best and only solution is for him to come forward with everything, a solution he refuses to do.

Quite literally just a few chapters ago his friends said it would be a bad idea to just be honest with her. It's been firmly established that he's easily influenced by others. There was a whole side chapter about this to explain why he acted the way he did at school and it was entirely due to things his friends said or he overheard others saying. Basically all of his friends and even the friends of Nicole that are helping him like Lobelia are not pointing him in the right direction. Gee wonder why he's not heading in the right direction. With the friends he has right now, he will never be able to address the fundamental issue with Nicole not that it would even matter if he did.

You're asking a guy that doesn't know what to do and is entirely reliant on his friends for the right direction to just suddenly land on your preferred solution which he has been explicitly told would be a bad idea. Just a total nonsense view. Sorry dude he's not gonna magically figure it out unless someone explicitly tells him it's ok to do it. Frankly it doesn't matter he should give up on Nicole and start a clean slate with someone else. His relationship with Nicole was already dead at the start of the story.

Honestly it's all pretty clearly his parents fault given the youngest son only knew how to have a solid relationship by watching the failures of his emotional distant eldest brother and obsessive middle brother. Every other noble knows how to maintain a relationship with their partner but none of the Braun kids did before the academy. This pretty clearly indicates the parents just didn't bother to give them the same education everyone else got. They're also always shown laughing when it comes to Nicole and Keios so maybe they just find it really funny they raised their kids wrong on purpose.

 

[epicfail48]

Quite literally just a few chapters ago his friends said it would be a bad idea to just be honest with her. It's been firmly established that he's easily influenced by others. There was a whole side chapter about this to explain why he acted the way he did at school and it was entirely due to things his friends said or he overheard others saying. Basically all of his friends and even the friends of Nicole that are helping him like Lobelia are not pointing him in the right direction. Gee wonder why he's not heading in the right direction. With the friends he has right now, he will never be able to address the fundamental issue with Nicole not that it would even matter if he did.

You're asking a guy that doesn't know what to do and is entirely reliant on his friends for the right direction to just suddenly land on your preferred solution which he has been explicitly told would be a bad idea. Just a total nonsense view. Sorry dude he's not gonna magically figure it out unless someone explicitly tells him it's ok to do it. Frankly it doesn't matter he should give up on Nicole and start a clean slate with someone else. His relationship with Nicole was already dead at the start of the story.

Honestly it's all pretty clearly his parents fault given the youngest son only knew how to have a solid relationship by watching the failures of his emotional distant eldest brother and obsessive middle brother. Every other noble knows how to maintain a relationship with their partner but none of the Braun kids did before the academy. This pretty clearly indicates the parents just didn't bother to give them the same education everyone else got. They're also always shown laughing when it comes to Nicole and Keios so maybe they just find it really funny they raised their kids wrong on purpose.

He's plenty old enough for his actions to have consequences, he is nobodies fault but his own

 

[7goat]

inb4 Marius ends up becoming the boxing champion in a future chapter
Now I feel the urge to reread Golden Kamuy's stenka arc

 

[UdenEmpati]

Quite literally just a few chapters ago his friends said it would be a bad idea to just be honest with her. It's been firmly established that he's easily influenced by others. There was a whole side chapter about this to explain why he acted the way he did at school and it was entirely due to things his friends said or he overheard others saying. Basically all of his friends and even the friends of Nicole that are helping him like Lobelia are not pointing him in the right direction. Gee wonder why he's not heading in the right direction. With the friends he has right now, he will never be able to address the fundamental issue with Nicole not that it would even matter if he did.

You're asking a guy that doesn't know what to do and is entirely reliant on his friends for the right direction to just suddenly land on your preferred solution which he has been explicitly told would be a bad idea. Just a total nonsense view. Sorry dude he's not gonna magically figure it out unless someone explicitly tells him it's ok to do it. Frankly it doesn't matter he should give up on Nicole and start a clean slate with someone else. His relationship with Nicole was already dead at the start of the story.

Honestly it's all pretty clearly his parents fault given the youngest son only knew how to have a solid relationship by watching the failures of his emotional distant eldest brother and obsessive middle brother. Every other noble knows how to maintain a relationship with their partner but none of the Braun kids did before the academy. This pretty clearly indicates the parents just didn't bother to give them the same education everyone else got. They're also always shown laughing when it comes to Nicole and Keios so maybe they just find it really funny they raised their kids wrong on purpose.

It's valid to say that he is only listening to others for advice and that being a cause of his problems, but then that means he sees the advice he's getting isn't working, and is making no effort to ask "why".

He doesn't understand Nicole, he doesn't understand why he doesn't understand Nicole, and he's continuously reliant on the thought process of everyone but himself, and doesn't think about whether or not that's a good thing even when he witnesses the lack of results it's getting him.

At that point, he has no chance of growth, and it becomes a moot point to expect it quickly or slowly.

 

[Kinkaiser]

They're also always shown laughing when it comes to Nicole and Keios so maybe they just find it really funny they raised their kids wrong on purpose.

"We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke."

 

[rphilly]

He's plenty old enough for his actions to have consequences, he is nobodies fault but his own

If you grew up thinking the sky is green and no one ever noticed or told you otherwise, is that your fault or the people that raised you/told you this? He clearly lacks knowledge that every other noble seems to have and there's evidence to show his younger brothers also lack this knowledge. Keios is taking responsibility for the consequence of his actions but it's pretty clear his actions only happened because of the failure of the people surrounding and raising him. This doesn't absolve him of fault but shows that essentially he had no way to end up anywhere other than this situation. If Keios actions stemmed from deliberate choices against the advice of others then sure it's all his fault but the narrative has been pretty explicit about painting Keios as an idiot in regards to romance not malicious in nature.

It's valid to say that he is only listening to others for advice and that being a cause of his problems, but then that means he sees the advice he's getting isn't working, and is making no effort to ask "why".

He doesn't understand Nicole, he doesn't understand why he doesn't understand Nicole, and he's continuously reliant on the thought process of everyone but himself, and doesn't think about whether or not that's a good thing even when he witnesses the lack of results it's getting him.

At that point, he has no chance of growth, and it becomes a moot point to expect it quickly or slowly.

I agree. I don't expect any real growth from Keios in the near term. Until he calms down and throws off this personal helplessness he feels he will not meaningfully grow. That said I also don't really expect his growth to do much at all in the course of the story. I think best case scenario Nicole agrees to the marriage blanc and Keios spends years trying to convince Nicole he actually loves her. Nicole's feeling for Keios have been gone for awhile and she no longer even attempts to understand Keios she just ignores or goes with a superficial thought to explain his actions. This makes even Keios best case scenario unlikely.

Nicole being the MC is of course the most interesting. It feels like she's currently wearing a mask, she's just closed herself off emotionally and is convincing herself that she's happy. This can be seen in how she basically brushes off everyone's feeling in relation to her. This is especially evident in the last page. It does introduce a slight plot hole because obviously her ladies in waiting would be going with her but the author has largely pretended ladies in waiting and attendants don't exist or don't matter so it is at least consistent. We know Nicole has a lady in waiting because Keios explicitly asked her to walk with her lady in waiting and not go around town alone.

 

[UdenEmpati]

If you grew up thinking the sky is green and no one ever noticed or told you otherwise, is that your fault or the people that raised you/told you this? He clearly lacks knowledge that every other noble seems to have and there's evidence to show his younger brothers also lack this knowledge. Keios is taking responsibility for the consequence of his actions but it's pretty clear his actions only happened because of the failure of the people surrounding and raising him. This doesn't absolve him of fault but shows that essentially he had no way to end up anywhere other than this situation. If Keios actions stemmed from deliberate choices against the advice of others then sure it's all his fault but the narrative has been pretty explicit about painting Keios as an idiot in regards to romance not malicious in nature.


I agree. I don't expect any real growth from Keios in the near term. Until he calms down and throws off this personal helplessness he feels he will not meaningfully grow. That said I also don't really expect his growth to do much at all in the course of the story. I think best case scenario Nicole agrees to the marriage blanc and Keios spends years trying to convince Nicole he actually loves her. Nicole's feeling for Keios have been gone for awhile and she no longer even attempts to understand Keios she just ignores or goes with a superficial thought to explain his actions. This makes even Keios best case scenario unlikely.

Nicole being the MC is of course the most interesting. It feels like she's currently wearing a mask, she's just closed herself off emotionally and is convincing herself that she's happy. This can be seen in how she basically brushes off everyone's feeling in relation to her. This is especially evident in the last page. It does introduce a slight plot hole because obviously her ladies in waiting would be going with her but the author has largely pretended ladies in waiting and attendants don't exist or don't matter so it is at least consistent. We know Nicole has a lady in waiting because Keios explicitly asked her to walk with her lady in waiting and not go around town alone.

only thing I'll push back on is your statement about Nicole "convincing herself she is happy" - she actually seems to be the happiest that we've seen her, by virtue of pursuing things she enjoys for her own sake, and having a long-term goal in mind that she wnats to achieve for herself.

In her current country she'd be largely constrained simply because she's a woman. She was fine with that before, but the taste of what is effectively Suffrage has opened her eyes--and by virtue of the context of her situation, she's in a unique position to fully pursue this newfound freedom and agency and future for herself.
And she's seemed the happiest that she's ever been as a result, even with the challenges involved in her Certification to go to Ilegale on the Study Abroad program.
The only thing really tempering that, would be the fact that Keios can't let her go and is continuously trying to force his way back into her life, because as you say she has stopped really caring about him beyond what could be called light friendship or resignation that she might still have to marry him in some capacity.