Oishinbo - Vol. 13 Ch. 116 - The War for Whaling (Part 5)

[MangaDex]

 

[deenzfan12]

Well, that was definitely one of the arcs ever.
Regardless of how I felt about it I commend you for the quality 5 chapter release.

 

[ApronOn]

As someone of settler, white heritage living in Alaska, I have had the opportunity to learn a lot about whaling and have my preconceived notions challenged. The subsistence gathering of whales is essential to the survival and cultural flourishing of Alaska Native people. Thank you for your always wonderful translation with such great notes (just wanted to share as a side note that it is Alaska Native, not Alaskan native). There are many misconceptions about the practice of whaling amongst Indigenous communities and I encourage folks to learn more if they are interested. https://www.aewc-alaska.org/our-villlages

 

[BippidiBoppetyBoob]

Personally, I hated doing this arc since I'm opposed to non-subsistence whaling (I am not opposed to subsistence whaling, and I would not be opposed to Japan doing it, but they have often overhunted and even lied about both how many they hunted as well as how many whales were in a population), and as I did research on it, I found Kariya's strawmanning and even sometimes blatant lies really hard to take without responding in TL notes. I don't blame you for just getting this one out of the way all at once.

 

[r31ya]

As someone of settler, white heritage living in Alaska, I have had the opportunity to learn a lot about whaling and have my preconceived notions challenged. The subsistence gathering of whales is essential to the survival and cultural flourishing of Alaska Native people. Thank you for your always wonderful translation with such great notes (just wanted to share as a side note that it is Alaska Native, not Alaskan native). There are many misconceptions about the practice of whaling amongst Indigenous communities and I encourage folks to learn more if they are interested. https://www.aewc-alaska.org/our-villlages

There is major difference between traditional seasonal shore whale hunting with industrial-commercial big ship, all year round, open seas, hunting.

Many conservationist have no issue with local seasonal traditonal whale hunting as they mostly hunt locally, for the most part for local consumption, and only when the whale pass by their shores.

Its no that different with seasonal, personal consumption, deer hunting kinda thing.

But japanese big ship whale hunting is on whole different level. It's like hunting lots of deers everyday and the meat constantly bought by big country worth of masses. It won't be long before deer become scare in one region and then they move to other forest and decimate their deer population too.

 

[deenzfan12]

Personally, I hated doing this arc since I'm opposed to non-subsistence whaling (I am not opposed to subsistence whaling, and I would not be opposed to Japan doing it, but they have often overhunted and even lied about both how many they hunted as well as how many whales were in a population), and as I did research on it, I found Kariya's strawmanning and even sometimes blatant lies really hard to take without responding in TL notes. I don't blame you for just getting this one out of the way all at once.

Pretty nuch my stance on it too. I think the whaling Kariya is arguing for in these chapters and the practices continued in Japan in modern day is very different than the subsistence whaling of indigenous peoples living in food deserts, which is unjustly persecuted by the law.

 

[Mugiwara325]

As someone of settler, white heritage living in Alaska, I have had the opportunity to learn a lot about whaling and have my preconceived notions challenged. The subsistence gathering of whales is essential to the survival and cultural flourishing of Alaska Native people. Thank you for your always wonderful translation with such great notes (just wanted to share as a side note that it is Alaska Native, not Alaskan native). There are many misconceptions about the practice of whaling amongst Indigenous communities and I encourage folks to learn more if they are interested. https://www.aewc-alaska.org/our-villlages

Thank you for the heads up, I didn't realize the Alaska native distinction. I'll edit it as soon as I can.

 

[ApronOn]

There is major difference between traditional seasonal shore whale hunting with industrial-commercial big ship, all year round, open seas, hunting.

Many conservationist have no issue with local seasonal traditonal whale hunting as they mostly hunt locally, for the most part for local consumption, and only when the whale pass by their shores.

Its no that different with seasonal, personal consumption, deer hunting kinda thing.

But japanese big ship whale hunting is on whole different level. It's like hunting lots of deers everyday and the meat constantly bought by big country worth of masses. It won't be long before deer become scare in one region and then they move to other forest and decimate their deer population too.

Definitely! I wasn't saying that the commercial practice is the same! Too often people think that all whaling is terrible, and extractive, and don't understand some of the reality of contemporary whaling in Indigenous communities

 

[r31ya]

Definitely! I wasn't saying that the commercial practice is the same! Too often people think that all whaling is terrible, and extractive, and don't understand some of the reality of contemporary whaling in Indigenous communities

In my country there is also one tribe who do traditional seasonal whale hunting.

While whale hunting is generally disliked now, many conservation expert state that the damage of seasonal traditional whale hunting is small for reason i stated above.

Different with commercial whale hunting that this oishinbo preaching who at one time they double down that 200 tonnes yearly target is too low or something.

Whale breed very slowly, its not like some chicken or so.

 

[friendly]

Whew. Well! Its good for the brain to read stuff I disagree with i think..... but I'm p much the same as most folks here otherwise. Some folks need the right to hunt.... but I don't think we need a whaling industry. I think ultimately this arc relies too much on pretty dubious numbers, Poor Naive American Protestors, and the series' And Everybody Clapped endings hit. A little diff here.

But it's still interesting, and I appreciate bein' able to read it.