Onii-chan Is Done For! - Ch. 95.9 - Minato-kun is Done For? 2

[MidnighTea]

I mean... that's what femboy means. It's hilarious to see creepy fetishists acting like he wants to be a woman.

How many trans peeps do you know? Clearly not too many because at least half of the ones I know (of either assigned gender) are fairly asexual. When your brain is yelling at you the hardware is all wrong it's surprisingly difficult to complete that circle. You're using a computer right now presumably, you've never had driver errors?

I'll at least concede though that people are kind of jumping the gun vis-a-vis Minato's gender identity. It's absolutely true that he's taking to feminine expression with a gusto that makes Mahiro look restrained, but it's really too early to speculate where his journey will go.

EDIT: Also complaining about "creepy fetishists" in the forum for a manga like this one is going to a sports bar and complaining about loud inebriated bros shouting at the TV.

 

[NemuriNai]

He's so deep into it now

 

[wallsg]

He hasn't fallen until he fails to reach the toilet in time.

Or that he find that for some (mental) reason he can't pee unless he's sitting down. Or while he is still wearing his panties, which is close to what you said.

 

[wallsg]

Long nails are terrible weapons, tend to hurt yourself more than anyone else. It's why I keep my nails short.

At least police forensics can get your killer's DNA from under your fingernails.

 

[wallsg]

His elephant was not so big after all. XD

I guess it was more of a tapir...

 

[BanzaiYuri]

I mean... that's what femboy means. It's hilarious to see creepy fetishists acting like he wants to be a woman.

Not in my eyes, liking cute things is unisex. Pink shouldn't be "for women" and Blue "for men." Skirts and pants are better designed for "the opposite's" genitals. Femboys are a weird grey area for all sides of the horseshoe. There are transwomen femboys, Alt-right Don't Step On Me femboys, etc. At most you could call him a tomgirl?

 

[Jhonathan45]

Not in my eyes, liking cute things is unisex. Pink shouldn't be "for women" and Blue "for men." Skirts and pants are better designed for "the opposite's" genitals. Femboys are a weird grey area for all sides of the horseshoe. There are transwomen femboys, Alt-right Don't Step On Me femboys, etc. At most you could call him a tomgirl?

Otokonoko, that's his character trope. He's a boy who's extremely feminine and has interest in female presentation and expression

 

[MidnighTea]

Minato is whatever the hell he wants to be. I just want the kid to have whatever would make him enjoy himself most.

Truthfully I would like to see him experience the drug in canon at least once, just to see what would happen. Who knows whether Minato would be a whole omelette compared to Mahiro's initial experience or if we'd get a line like "... somehow it's not as exciting if I'm a girl".

Given Nekotofu's typical writing cadence where character development is just casually dropped in the last page or two at an end of a chapter, my bet would actually be on the latter. But I'd be happy either way because I care about Minato and want to see his joy.

 

[NinjaGoemon]

Minato is whatever the hell he wants to be. I just want the kid to have whatever would make him enjoy himself most.

Truthfully I would like to see him experience the drug in canon at least once, just to see what would happen. Who knows whether Minato would be a whole omelette compared to Mahiro's initial experience or if we'd get a line like "... somehow it's not as exciting if I'm a girl".

Given Nekotofu's typical writing cadence where character development is just casually dropped in the last page or two at an end of a chapter, my bet would actually be on the latter. But I'd be happy either way because I care about Minato and want to see his joy.

It'd just never be established for the same reason as Mahiro because "if a girl then it's not longer a gender bend story"

 

[MidnighTea]

It'd just never be established for the same reason as Mahiro because "if a girl then it's not longer a gender bend story"

Honestly, I always found that handwave lame. There's plenty of ways to keep gender bending as an element even if Mahiro crossed all the way over. Would require a series paradigm shift, but I respect any series willing or able to do that. Machikado Mazoku comes to mind as a series that organically allows characters to evolve in their dynamics or abandon running gags/subplots when they stop being fresh.

One possible idea right off the top of my head -- Mahiro winds up fully becoming a girl, with no going back. Winds up becoming a focus study for Chitose. Introduce several characters being considered for the next run of drug trials and involve Mahiro in selecting who's done for next.

 

[dy4y]

Winds up

"Winds up"
Implying she hasn't already been 110% girl for the last 94 chapters

 

[MidnighTea]

"Winds up"
Implying she hasn't already been 110% girl for the last 94 chapters

Honestly, yeah. I've felt that way for a while in a death of the author sense. It's why I'm glad Kotobuki is writing a whole series of "fine I guess I'll do it" fan comics.

 

[AncientWatcher]

A man hearing his dick being called cute is so very humiliating.

 

[Sleepyb33]

Dude got a boner from seeing himself in women’s underwear and he came himself when wearing his sister‘s pajamas.

Also autogynephilia is defined as when a male gets excited by imagining themselves as a woman, so it doesn’t apply to women, and it was in the DSM until certain people made a fuss about it and got it taken out.

You've got literal brainworms. Autogynephilia was coined by a man who believed pedophiles should have the right to have sex with children, and it was (rightfully) removed because it doesn't coincide with reality. Being attracted to your own body, and feeling good about yourself is perfectly natural, and cis women do it all the time. It's called "feeling sexy." That's literally all it is.
Saying women can't have autogynephilia because it's only applied to males is like saying men have Autobreathphilia when men breathe, and it doesn't apply to women when they're breathing. You can't come up with a diagnosis and only apply it to one sex when both sexes do it. That's one of the main reasons it was removed, because that criterion is stupid af. Source: My gender specialist with 12 years of research to back her PhD.

 

[smormu]

You've got literal brainworms. Autogynephilia was coined by a man who believed pedophiles should have the right to have sex with children, and it was (rightfully) removed because it doesn't coincide with reality. Being attracted to your own body, and feeling good about yourself is perfectly natural, and cis women do it all the time. It's called "feeling sexy." That's literally all it is.
Saying women can't have autogynephilia because it's only applied to males is like saying men have Autobreathphilia when men breathe, and it doesn't apply to women when they're breathing. You can't come up with a diagnosis and only apply it to one sex when both sexes do it. That's one of the main reasons it was removed, because that criterion is stupid af. Source: My gender specialist with 12 years of research to back her PhD.

The term ego was popularized by a coke head who thought all men secretly wanted to have sex with their mothers. An idea can come from a total weirdo and still be accurate. Normal men don’t dress up in women’s underwear and look at themselves in the mirror with a hard on. Normal men don’t cum themselves from using girly smelling shampoo and wearing a dress. The term exists to describe those men who are turned on by the idea of them being women. Everyone in this thread wants to talk about the DSM this and my gender studies professor that to side step my actual point that there exists a word that describes minato pretty damn well. The reason why women liking being women isn’t covered by the term is because that’s normal human female behavior. Men and women behave differently and have different standards for what is normal. Would a woman who dresses as a man and wears a strap-on under pants so she can make it look like she has a boner be normal? Would a man who wears maxi pads be normal?

And don’t say “it is normal because trans people are valid”, I reject the theory that sex and gender are entirely separate, it was never scientifically proven. I do sympathize with trans people, but I reject the notion that the difference between men and women is entirely socialization. If we had the ability to actually turn someone into the opposite sex like Mahiro then sure I would consider it possible for a man to become a woman or for a woman to become a man, but changing your preferred pronouns and taking hormones doesn’t go that far. Maybe in the future we’ll be able to clone people a new set of genitalia and use gene therapy to swap out their sex chromosomes and use nano machines to reshape their skeletons to be more like the opposite sex’s.

 

[Sleepyb33]

Everyone in this thread wants to talk about the DSM this and my gender studies professor that to side step my actual point that there exists a word that describes minato pretty damn well.

Let me translate that for you: "Literally, everyone who has studied this topic and every accredited medical institution says I'm wrong, but actually I'm right because that confirms my previously held beliefs."

The reason why women liking being women isn’t covered by the term is because that’s normal human female behavior. Men and women behave differently and have different standards for what is normal. Would a woman who dresses as a man and wears a strap-on under pants so she can make it look like she has a boner be normal? Would a man who wears maxi pads be normal?

I can't even begin to explain to you how confidently wrong you are, because I would have to write an actual 500 page dissertation on a damn manga forum site just to explain it. Like we're talking 101 basic shit. Your brain is so full of preconceived biases, and falsehoods that you've started using them to explain the difference in how men/women act as if it's a biological phenomenon. Your entire reasoning is circular, literally you're using a diagnosis that can ONLY be applied to trans/GNC people, and confirming said diagnosis because it can only be applied to trans/GNC people. That is what I mean by circular reasoning. Its like saying, Men can breathe, women can breathe, but men in women clothing who breathe have Autobreathephilia. And men in women's clothing who breathe, must have Autobreathephilia because Autobreathephilia can only be applied to men in women's clothing who breathe. That is not how diagnosis work. (Which is why it was removed from the DSM-V) A mental diagnosis must be applied across the board, it can't single out someone specific. Which is why we don't have diagnoses like "Male depression" and "Female Depression." it's just "Depression." When you invent a diagnosis specifically to label a group of people, you're automatically wrong, and rightfully laughed at.

 

[Sleepyb33]

And don’t say “it is normal because trans people are valid”, I reject the theory that sex and gender are entirely separate, it was never scientifically proven. I do sympathize with trans people, but I reject the notion that the difference between men and women is entirely socialization. If we had the ability to actually turn someone into the opposite sex like Mahiro then sure I would consider it possible for a man to become a woman or for a woman to become a man, but changing your preferred pronouns and taking hormones doesn’t go that far. Maybe in the future we’ll be able to clone people a new set of genitalia and use gene therapy to swap out their sex chromosomes and use nano machines to reshape their skeletons to be more like the opposite sex’s.

Furthermore, your entire argument is undercut by your statement here. You say, you'll only recognize trans people if we're genetically modified, etc. So your entire philosophical belief is that autogynephilia is contingent on what cells my body has? So if I'm trans and I'm feeling sexy, I'm an autogynephile but if I change my cells at that exact moment, I no longer carry the autogynephile diagnosis? That sound more like an issue with you labeling things, than a mental diagnosis. A true mental diagnosis would remain the same regardless of what sex cells you have. (Not to mention that many cells in your body, don't even HAVE sex chromosomes, i.e Red Blood Cells) Your entire belief in whether or not trans people are valid is based on how well we pass for you?? Are you serious?

 

[BanzaiYuri]

Let me translate that for you: "Literally, everyone who has studied this topic and every accredited medical institution says I'm wrong, but actually I'm right because that confirms my previously held beliefs."

I can't even begin to explain to you how confidently wrong you are, because I would have to write an actual 500 page dissertation on a damn manga forum site just to explain it. Like we're talking 101 basic shit. Your brain is so full of preconceived biases, and falsehoods that you've started using them to explain the difference in how men/women act as if it's a biological phenomenon. Your entire reasoning is circular, literally you're using a diagnosis that can ONLY be applied to trans/GNC people, and confirming said diagnosis because it can only be applied to trans/GNC people. That is what I mean by circular reasoning. Its like saying, Men can breathe, women can breathe, but men in women clothing who breathe have Autobreathephilia. And men in women's clothing who breathe, must have Autobreathephilia because Autobreathephilia can only be applied to men in women's clothing who breathe. That is not how diagnosis work. (Which is why it was removed from the DSM-V) A mental diagnosis must be applied across the board, it can't single out someone specific. Which is why we don't have diagnoses like "Male depression" and "Female Depression." it's just "Depression." When you invent a diagnosis specifically to label a group of people, you're automatically wrong, and rightfully laughed at.

Smormu's sources: 4chan, Reddit, and romcom anime XD

 

[MidnighTea]

I'm just going to remark how I still can't believe how Onimai attracts any kind of audience who thinks gender is immutable, autogynephilia is an actual thing and that we should all probably revert to 1950's gender roles. Like... are we even reading the same manga? Short of nigh-olympian repression how are you still here? I'd have imagined first giggle Mahiro let out seeing herself in a dress for the first time should've banished you.

 

[dy4y]

there exists a word that describes minato pretty damn well

And that word is transfem