Ore ga Watashi ni Naru made - Ch. 60

[BrownStorm]

I don't really get what the problem is here with regards to Kikuchi, like Akira was there for both of these and knows it isn't true so what's the issue?

 

[Ryoga21]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[Kampfarsch]

You said something insightful. Congrats.

I don’t 100% agree, but it’s a well-formed opinion.
yaaay!

who

 

[definitionofinsanity]

"He could've been shoplifting" [Shows picture of the frame where he took back the magazine and was bowing slightly - apologizing - to the clerk]

...Do you usually see people that are shoplifting returning items to the clerk and apologizing?

I mean, yes, the kid was a brat in grade school. It's kinda been shown that he's matured and isn't a bad dude anymore. Can he catch a fucking break, please?

 

[definitionofinsanity]

From Akira's point of view, as far as it goes telling the others she was born a male and via this syndrome/disease (I forget what they labelled it before) that he turned into an actual girl... I can see how she's conflicted about how to tell them. Like, (s)he brought up idea of showing them the pictures from before he changed... But from just looking at the pictures and not actually knowing that Akira was a boy... You'd just think she was a tomboy and wore boys clothing. And, of course, she has no idea how they'd receive her telling them.

I mean, probably the best way would be to have them sleep over at her house and her mother could confirm it for her if they didn't seem to believe her. I just hope that there is, eventually, that scene where she tells them.

 

[Panino]

Kikuchi probably just tried to buy a porn magazine, I bet.


About Akira, I think is just better for her to let the secret die at the grave.
Nothing good will come of it, she just have to deal with the guilty she feels like she is deceiving other. She is just being herself, if not her fault that her gender was different in the past and her bad behavior has nothing to do with all these people.

 

[malfoym]

while i do think they were little shits before, i still think that it was the adults who are in the wrong because they didnt properly do a good guidance back then. also japanese people and their misunderstanding is on whole another level it is so weird.

 

[LadyTyche]

Ffs, this girl needs to have her phone/camera privileges revoked.

Snapping pictures of people left and right, and half joking she'll use them against you later.

 

[TakeiDaloui]

I don't really get what the problem is here with regards to Kikuchi, like Akira was there for both of these and knows it isn't true so what's the issue?

I think it's about how people perceive people if they have a bad past. We know from chapter 58 that Kikuchi had it by mistake, and went back to pay. They were even there in the shot, but missed in the picture taken. But because some people know he made mistakes in the past, it's easier to believe he's done something bad here too.

And I think that's meant to add to Akira's anxiety. She regrets her own behaviour back when she was a boy and doesn't believe she'd be forgiven for that. So if others were to learn the truth of her and that past, she may believe they will look at her poorly as a result based on this.

 

[Thrembs]

From Akira's point of view, as far as it goes telling the others she was born a male and via this syndrome/disease (I forget what they labelled it before) that he turned into an actual girl... I can see how she's conflicted about how to tell them. Like, (s)he brought up idea of showing them the pictures from before he changed... But from just looking at the pictures and not actually knowing that Akira was a boy... You'd just think she was a tomboy and wore boys clothing. And, of course, she has no idea how they'd receive her telling them.

I mean, probably the best way would be to have them sleep over at her house and her mother could confirm it for her if they didn't seem to believe her. I just hope that there is, eventually, that scene where she tells them.

I really honestly enjoy the flip flopping of pronoun, here.
Considering you’re talking “before and after” and “manga gender syndrome”

 

[OnewingedMasios]

Yeah I've been hoping for this for ages, so many things keep pointing to it (like the jealousy) but then other things come up or it veers away or just doesn't address what it brought up. So there's just been a slow build up of things pointing to them and I'm spooked about whether it will actually go that way or not.

this right here. I used to think for the longest there was a slow burn shoujo-ai romance with Rumi and Akira since there was so much pointing to it, but after the festival arc I've started to suspect it is just a bunch of yuri bait and I really wish I didn't have to suspect everything of being bait now...

 

[Thrembs]

this right here. I used to think for the longest there was a slow burn shoujo-ai romance with Rumi and Akira since there was so much pointing to it, but after the festival arc I've started to suspect it is just a bunch of yuri bait and I really wish I didn't have to suspect everything of being bait now...

Bait is less common than it used to be, really. I’m more annoyed that there’s still so much “yuri” and not enough “legit gayness”, though that’s on the rise.
Heck, I’ll take bait over Kashimashi any day of the week! Contrivance to save time and set up the garbage ending instead of just crap that happens in real life and ending sooner… fsck that series.

The BL space is improving muuuch faster, though I think thats in part due to the shetty tropes being shunted off into the cursed world of mpreg.
I don’t spend any money and rarely time on basic, tropey crap anymore. Give me something with actual people in a realistic setting. Or at least believable people.

This is subversive enough that the genderbendy swappy stuff is totally fine with me.

 

[definitionofinsanity]

About Akira, I think is just better for her to let the secret die at the grave. Nothing good will come of it, she just have to deal with the guilty she feels like she is deceiving other.

...That's incredibly cynical. And, mentally, very unhealthy for someone to do about any issue that is gnawing about at them inside their head.

The problem, too, is Akira still has deep-seated issues about everything that's happened and it looks like they have really been getting the medical mental health that they've been needing. So when it comes to people finally confronting Akira, "Why are you like this?" or "Why do you not like X?" your advice would be to not talk about the reasoning behind why... because... nothing good would come from it? I mean, it's a known disease in-universe. And if the people that have known Akira for years and know she IS a girl are off-put about it... Where they really her friends to begin with? (This can really come to the worst possible outcome in your favor where if Akira did marry a guy in the future and they found out that she was sterile - yes, tons of women that ovulate are also sterile and incapable of having children - and that guilt of not telling would absolutely be horrific for anyone to go through. I mean "driven-to-suicide" for some people levels of guilt. Does that sound like a scenario where telling the other person would've SOMEHOW led to a worse outcome? No.)

I mean, unless they're secretly awful fucking people, they'd more likely be upset that Akira didn't trust them to tell them this than anything to do with blaming Akira because she had a disease.

 

[katanii]

Thank you for the update

 

[Azarel-Sama]

Embrace the Yuri Akira, Tell Rumi the Truth then Seduce Rumi and Embrace the Yuri Side.

 

[Panino]

...That's incredibly cynical. And, mentally, very unhealthy for someone to do about any issue that is gnawing about at them inside their head.

The problem, too, is Akira still has deep-seated issues about everything that's happened and it looks like they have really been getting the medical mental health that they've been needing. So when it comes to people finally confronting Akira, "Why are you like this?" or "Why do you not like X?" your advice would be to not talk about the reasoning behind why... because... nothing good would come from it? I mean, it's a known disease in-universe. And if the people that have known Akira for years and know she IS a girl are off-put about it... Where they really her friends to begin with? (This can really come to the worst possible outcome in your favor where if Akira did marry a guy in the future and they found out that she was sterile - yes, tons of women that ovulate are also sterile and incapable of having children - and that guilt of not telling would absolutely be horrific for anyone to go through. I mean "driven-to-suicide" for some people levels of guilt. Does that sound like a scenario where telling the other person would've SOMEHOW led to a worse outcome? No.)

I mean, unless they're secretly awful fucking people, they'd more likely be upset that Akira didn't trust them to tell them this than anything to do with blaming Akira because she had a disease.

Again, I repeat.
Better to let this secret die as a secret.
What is most important, IMHO, is for Akira to accept that she is a woman now. IMHO her problem is not the guilty of keeping this secret, is the guilty of have been a man. She needs to accept what she was and what she did, like any person with a "faulty past", and that's it.
In various moments she feels guilty feeling like she doesn't deserve her friends and being happy, that's the problem. This influence her behavior and this is what people notice.

 

[definitionofinsanity]

Again, I repeat.
Better to let this secret die as a secret.

...You have absolutely nothing to base that on.

What is most important, IMHO, is for Akira to accept that she is a woman now.

That has nothing to do with telling other people that she's a woman now because of a disease. You're conflating two separate issues as one.

IMHO her problem is not the guilty of keeping this secret, is the guilty of have been a man. She needs to accept what she was and what she did, like any person with a "faulty past", and that's it.

...Literally what the fuck are you rambling on about? "Guilty of being being a man"...? She had guilt from as a young kid and what she did, but that was not anything to do with her being a male. And we have evidence here from the manga that AKIRA IS FUCKING FEELING GUILT FROM NOT TELLING OTHER PEOPLE AND ADMITS IT. Yet you just... ignored that... for the theory she is "guilty of having been a man"... Which makes absolutely zero sense, I can assure you. And, worse yet, there's not a single fucking shred of evidence to support your theory. In fact, there's a lack of evidence and perhaps even evidence to the contrary.

In various moments she feels guilty feeling like she doesn't deserve her friends and being happy, that's the problem. This influence her behavior and this is what people notice.

Yeah, and the part where you ignored where she feels conflicted about not telling her friends and says just as much apparently doesn't figure into your fucking theory. SOMEHOW.

So basically your theory boils down to Akira is "guilty of having been a man" and thus she can't tell anyone because... reasons... and somehow magically it will always turn out negatively if she did (which is bullshit as I proved with my example... that was also, again, something you ignored). And to just bottle up all that negativity and guilt (guilt from not telling people, not "guilt from having been a man") and never deal with it in a health psychological way until... she just has a complete psychotic episode and... kills herself after having the compounding stress after all these years?

...I mean, yeah, that seems healthy.

There's a REASON why mental health professionals don't tell people to bottle their issues up and never deal with them, my dude.

 

[Panino]

Again, I repeat.

 

[mendics]

Wow the discussions are so spicy.

 

[Sholvq]

Dead manga ?