Ore wa Shiranai Uchi ni Gakkou Ichi no Bishoujo o Kudoiteita Rashii: Baito-saki no Soudan Aite ni Ore no Omoibito no Hanashi o Suru to Kanojo wa Naze…

[bakanisan]

Your aggressive/ironic comment to this is out of place man, what you attacking him for? He simply asked. Obviously everyone know there are other sites where people upload Manga. I didn't read chapter yet cuz I wanna read it in order, came here to see if I find a site where to read it but your attack kinda pissed me of ngl.

Sometimes tough love is what one needs. It's free shit and still people expect to be spoonfed.

 

[endymion]

Except that I didn't simply agree with that. I agreed that the scanlator had pulled a dick move, and I've already explained how he could have posted just a scanlation of chapter 42 without it being a dick move.

Don't pseudo-quote me.

And now you're back to treating your conjectures as to my intentions as if your guesses are evidence.

I didn't guess the person who asked a short and simple question to want a labored reply; I guessed him to have come, as would most people, from his Updates page, and to be baffled by what had thence seemed a rushed finish from the creators of the manga.

So, again, a stupid and dickish comment from you. And, no, what little reason exists to reply to you at all evaporates with a private conversation. Attempting to change your mind is like giving medicine to a corpse.

Again, if you knew that, if you even read the page, you would have stated that as your comment. You are just going back and trying to ex post facto justify your cluelessness. I don't think anyone is buying it.

So, again, another clueless comment from the old guy wannabe economist with nothing better to do in his sad life. BTW you won't ever change my mind. Tell me, are you honestly saying you were aware of the situation before?

(sorry to anyone else that was pinged, tried to bring it in a room, but D here simply is obsessed).

 

[Oeconomist]

Again, if you knew that, if you even read the page, you would have stated that as your comment.

No, I had no evident reason to do so. I had reason to explain that the author had not rushed the ending.

You are just going back and trying to ex post facto justify your cluelessness.

No, you're just committed to a theory of my motives that you cannot actually back-up, but just keep reiterating.

I don't think anyone is buying it.

I don't think that you are better at understanding other people than you proved in attempting to understand me. More to the point, I don't think that you persuade anyone else by claiming that they couldn't possibly be persuaded otherwise; it's too cheap a rhetorical ploy.

BTW you won't ever change my mind.

I already said:

Attempting to change your mind is like giving medicine to a corpse.

And, again, that's why I have no reason to take it to a private discussion, in which virtually nothing can be accomplished.

Tell me, are you honestly saying you were aware of the situation before?

Before what? Before commenting, I had read the whole upload, including the just-too-late explanation by the scanlator. I didn't know that the uploads elsewhere were of licensed translations; but, contrary to your comment

you would have written that the official translations are elsewhere

that point wouldn't have been essential to discussion even if somehow the question of dickery turned on the availability of chapters elsewhere. You just barrel ahead claiming that I'd say things that weren't germane to my purpose, which was to explain to that questioner that, rather than the author rushing the ending, the uploader had screwed-up.

(sorry to anyone else that was pinged, tried to bring it in a room, but D here simply is obsessed).

The obsession here is yours. You imagine that your purpose could be met by private discussion, but what purpose could then be met? You tell me that I cannot change your mind about me. You don't bother to offer real evidence for your theory about me; you just insist that only if I behave as you would insist could I possibly have had the purpose that I say. My purpose is met exactly by your arguing so poorly in public view.

 

[endymion]

No, I had no evident reason to do so. I had reason to explain that the author had not rushed the ending.

No, you're just committed to a theory of my motives that you cannot actually back-up, but just keep reiterating.

I don't think that you are better at understanding other people than you proved in attempting to understand me. More to the point, I don't think that you persuade anyone else by claiming that they couldn't possibly be persuaded otherwise; it's too cheap a rhetorical ploy.

I already said:

And, again, that's why I have no reason to take it to a private discussion, in which virtually nothing can be accomplished.

Before what? Before commenting, I had read the whole upload, including the just-too-late explanation by the scanlator. I didn't know that the uploads elsewhere were of licensed translations; but, contrary to your comment

that point wouldn't have been essential to discussion even if somehow the question of dickery turned on the availability of chapters elsewhere. You just barrel ahead claiming that I'd say things that weren't germane to my purpose, which was to explain to that questioner that, rather than the author rushing the ending, the uploader had screwed-up.

The obsession here is yours. You imagine that your purpose could be met by private discussion, but what purpose could then be met? You tell me that I cannot change your mind about me. You don't bother to offer real evidence for your theory about me; you just insist that only if I behave as you would insist could I possibly have had the purpose that I say. My purpose is met exactly by your arguing so poorly in public view.

Wow more verbal garbage. Your comment was useless because you didn't understand anything. You just admitted you thought scanlator was a dick because you read the whole thing without realizing it was the last chapter. Okay fair enough. Then the criticism was that he didn't put the page in the front to warn others first, and that would have been valid, but no you thought he was skipping and agreed with the comment that said he was going to put the other 4 chapters behind a paywall. Because you would have stated that 'other chapters are elsewhere, guy just uploaded this w/o warning in the front' or something. Like, how I editted my early comment to explain to others the situation when they popped in. You added nothing and just assumed he skipped.

The private discussion was only because that other guy kept getting pinged. But you want to expose your stupidity for all to see be my guest. I am having fun with you D, because you are an idiot, and I suspect you know it given your lengthly writings on the issue which are readily found elsewhere. Also, as you can see I don't post much on Mangadex, unlike you who practically lives on here, so let's continue this forever, I'm having fun. Losing this account would mean little to me, but for you, it's practically your entire life! See you are obssessed, I can tell because once again you have so much writing that defines how sad your life is.

You know, I don't even care about changing your mind because I know you had no idea what was going on. You are just trying to defend yourself, and I have no idea why, but I guess it's because this is your life haha.

 

[Oeconomist]

Your comment was useless because you didn't understand anything.

No, I understood that chapters had been skipt, and I understood that readers coming (as would most) from the Updates page would be misled because the uploader had not prefaced the translation with an explanation, but postponed that explanation until after the damage was done.

You just admitted you thought scanlator was a dick because you read the whole thing without realizing it was the last chapter. Okay fair enough.

No, and this assertion exemplifies your illogic. First of all, at the updates page and on the manga's title page, the chapter was marked “END”. Second, what I admitted was that I first learned that chapters had been skipt by way of the last page in the upload; but I would have thought that the uploader were a dick even if I already knew of the skipping, exactly because others would not know of it.

Then the criticism was that he didn't put the page in the front to warn others first, and that would have been valid

Glad that you conceded that.

no you thought he was skipping

You're trying to have it both ways now. You want both for me to have read and not read his just-too-late explanation. Apparently you imagine me as Schrödinger's Reader.

and agreed with the comment that said he was going to put the other 4 chapters behind a paywall.

The comment didn't say that, the comment said

dudes a GDS member, dickishness is apparently deeply engrained. $10 says the missing 5 chapters will coincidentally show up behind a GDS paywall in a few days

That has two parts:

1. This guy is in GDS, who are dicks.
2. Someone in GDS will probably upload the missing chapters behind a paywall.

I liked that comment, because, yes, we've had lots of examples of dickery from GDS and it's perfectly plausible that someone there will imagine an opportunity to score some money by translating the missing chapters.

Because you would have stated that 'other chapters are elsewhere, guy just uploaded this w/o warning in the front' or something.

No, you're just back to insisting that I'd give a labored explanation or a defense in response to the comment that I answered only briefly, or may to some comment that I merely liked. I simply felt no need. I doubt that I would have felt a need even had you not already been trying to white-knight the uploader, but indeed you were doing that and I read the first of such comments from you before I commented.

I editted my early comment to explain to others the situation when they popped in

Indeed, and your edit came before my first comment.

You added nothing

No, I added a comment that pinged the asker of a question, and briefly answered his question.

and just assumed he skipped.

Again, you would make me into Schrödinger's Reader, who did and did not read the final file in the upload.

The private discussion was only because that other guy kept getting pinged.

The other ways to avoid pinging the other guy are not to use pinging attribution, or to halt discussion.

I am having fun with you D, because you are an idiot, and I suspect you know it given your lengthly writings on the issue which are readily found elsewhere.

The device of claiming that you are, after all, only trolling isn't particularly convincing, and entails an admission of sadism.

your lengthly writings on the issue which are readily found elsewhere

Here you're just flinging words incoherently. My lengthy writings on what issue are found elsewhere?

Also, as you can see I don't post much on Mangadex, unlike you who practically lives on here, so let's continue this forever, I'm having fun. Losing this account would mean little to me, but for you, it's practically your entire life! See you are obssessed, I can tell because once again you have so much writing that defines how sad your life is.

You know, I don't even care about changing your mind because I know you had no idea what was going on. You are just trying to defend yourself, and I have no idea why, but I guess it's because this is your life haha.

And these are just schoolyard insults.

So, the bottom lines are:

1. You made some conjectures that you cannot truly back up.
2. You're entangled in self-contradiction on the matter of my reading the last page of the upload.
3. You're now claiming that your motive for discussion is sadistic.

In all, your efforts are worse than a mere failure in persuasion.

 

[endymion]

No, I understood that chapters had been skipt, and I understood that readers coming (as would most) from the Updates page would be misled because the uploader had not prefaced the translation with an explanation, but postponed that explanation until after the damage was done.

No, and this assertion exemplifies your illogic. First of all, at the updates page and on the manga's title page, the chapter was marked “END”. Second, what I admitted was that I first learned that chapters had been skipt by way of the last page in the upload; but I would have thought that the uploader were a dick even if I already knew of the skipping, exactly because others would not know of it.

Glad that you conceded that.

You're trying to have it both ways now. You want both for me to have read and not read his just-too-late explanation. Apparently you imagine me as Schrödinger's Reader.

The comment didn't say that, the comment said

That has two parts:

1. This guy is in GDS, who are dicks.
2. Someone in GDS will probably upload the missing chapters behind a paywall.

I liked that comment, because, yes, we've had lots of examples of dickery from GDS and it's perfectly plausible that someone there will imagine an opportunity to score some money by translating the missing chapters.

No, you're just back to insisting that I'd give a labored explanation or a defense in response to the comment that I answered only briefly, or may to some comment that I merely liked. I simply felt no need. I doubt that I would have felt a need even had you not already been trying to white-knight the uploader, but indeed you were doing that and I read the first of such comments from you before I commented.

Indeed, and your edit came before my first comment.

No, I added a comment that pinged the asker of a question, and briefly answered his question.

Again, you would make me into Schrödinger's Reader, who did and did not read the final file in the upload.

The other ways to avoid pinging the other guy are not to use pinging attribution, or to halt discussion.

The device of claiming that you are, after all, only trolling isn't particularly convincing, and entails an admission of sadism.

Here you're just flinging words incoherently. My lengthy writings on what issue are found elsewhere?

And these are just schoolyard insults.

So, the bottom lines are:

1. You made some conjectures that you cannot truly back up.
2. You're now claiming that your motive for discussion is sadistic.

In all, your efforts are worse than a mere failure in persuasion.

So you admit that you were wrong in your assumptions! Thank you. You assumed he "skipt" to be a dick and was going to do GDS dickery or whatever. But nope that's not what happened, he was just finishing hte last chapter for all the rest of us who, unlike you, learned to read manga on other sites because mangadex got purged. That's all I ever asked for. Don't wordsmith, all I wanted was you to admit you were wrong about the scanlator. Sure he certainly should have put that on page 1, but that was just an oversight, not being a dick and trying to squeeze money out of you.

The rest of your noncoherent rants I didn't bother reading.

And for the last part, come on, the style of writing, the name, liking obsolete and archaic terms, there's no way that blog isn't you. You will of course deny it but I mean, lol.

 

[Oeconomist]

So you admit that you were wrong in your assumptions! Thank you. You assumed he "skipt" to be a dick and was going to do GDS dickery or whatever.

No, again you are being illogical. I didn't assume that he skipt to be a dick. I recognized that he was a dick because he put the explanation that chapters were missing after people had read the translation. I already recognized that he was a dick before I read that he was in GDS. And, as I've made very clear, the comment that I liked did not say that he was probably going to upload the chapters behind a paywall.

unlike you, learned to read manga on other sites

As I've already noted, I was reading manga on other sites before the massive DMCA take-down, and increased the number of those sites very shortly thereafter. You keep reiterating implausible insults for which you have no evidence.

The number of manga taken off MangaDex was huge yet not complete, and it would take some effort even to discover that some manga that one followed had been one of those taken-down. I still don't know how many of the manga that I followed are being updated here.

That's all I ever asked for.

And so you're going dishonestly to pretend that you got it.

Don't wordsmith

To wordsmith is to use words with skill. You want me instead to use words incompetently. Well, you'd certainly have stood a better chance of persuading folk.

all I wanted was you to admit you were wrong about the scanlator.

I haven't been.

Sure he certainly should have put that on page 1

I'm glad that you've admitted that much.

that was just an oversight

Oversights can be dick moves, and this oversight was. You need to look up the slang use of “dick”, the range of which includes those who are inconsiderate.

not being a dick and trying to squeeze money out of you.

As I've already noted, neither I nor the comment that I liked said that he was planning or would try to squeeze money out anyone; the comment that I liked suggested that GDS would try to squeeze money out of readers.

The rest of your noncoherent rants I didn't bother reading.

Well, you really should attend to how your admission of sadism undermines any attempt to persuade the audience.

And for the last part, come on, the style of writing, the name, liking obsolete and archaic terms, there's no way that blog isn't you.

Depending upon the 'blog, you may well be right.

You will of course deny it but I mean, lol.

Why would I try to deny it? If you do enough diving and do it competently, then you'll even find that I have respectable publications in logic (as such) and in economics. I'm not keen to be doxxed, but not terribly worried about it, either. Your concern to track me down is a significant illustration of your obsessiveness.

 

[endymion]

No, again you are being illogical. I didn't assume that he skipt to be a dick. I recognized that he was a dick because he put the explanation that chapters were missing after people had read the translation. I already recognized that he was a dick before I read that he was in GDS. And, as I've made very clear, the comment that I liked did not say that he was probably going to upload the chapters behind a paywall.

As I've already noted, I was reading manga on other sites before the massive DMCA take-down, and increased the number of those sites very shortly thereafter. You keep reiterating implausible insults for which you have no evidence.

The number of manga taken off MangaDex was huge yet not complete, and it would take some effort even to discover that some manga that one followed had been one of those taken-down. I still don't know how many of the manga that I followed are being updated here.

And so you're going dishonestly to pretend that you got it.

To wordsmith is to use words with skill. You want me instead to use words incompetently. Well, you'd certainly have stood a better chance of persuading folk.

I haven't been.

I'm glad that you've admitted that much.

Oversights can be dick moves, and this oversight was. You need to look up the slang use of “dick”, the range of which includes those who are inconsiderate.

As I've already noted, neither I nor the comment that I liked said that he was planning or would try to squeeze money out anyone; the comment that I liked suggested that GDS would try to squeeze money out of readers.

Well, you really should attend to how your admission of sadism undermines any attempt to persuade the audience.

Depending upon the 'blog, you may well be right.

Why would I try to deny it? If you do enough diving and do it competently, then you'll even find that I've got respectable publications in logic (as such) and in economics. I'm not keen to be doxxed, but not terribly worried about it, either.

At the end of the day, if you want to call him a dick for the first page then well I wouldn't agree but I'm not going to argue that it wasn't a bit inconsiderate. But again that wasn't your original assumption about what happened. And like that other guy said, sometimes you can't be spoonfed, especially on here. I have no clue who GDS is too, I just knew that this guy was just helping all of us who had read up to 41 but were waiting forever for 42. If he didn't post it here you would never have known that this manga was finished so he did you and all the other people who had no idea that this manga was purged a favor. And straight up it's your responsibility and everyone who was here during the purge's responsibilty to understand that reading any manga on Mangadex is a total minefield. The vast majority of popular manga was purged, sometimes people still post chapters (when they aren't supposed to which you yourself argued for), many times a ton of chapters get skipped. If you aren't clicking in on a manga you haven't seen in a long while then that's on you.

Oh wow you straight up admitted it! Okay well, I mean, I'm not going to doxx you here. Surprised you would just admit it but yeah it's not like you were hiding it when you used the same exact name. I make sure my real life and any online account are far apart as possible for many good reasons. And I mean, you really want to continue a flame war with someone that knows who you are in real life and also can see all the very personal blog posts you've put up over the years? You can say what you want about not caring, but there's just no way someone doesn't care and yet continues on with this lol. Surely you realize this is a waste of time, but you can't let go either! I'm not going to insult you in this one post, if you want to continue this though and just insult each other back and forth I promise I can and will get very personal.

 

[Oeconomist]

At the end of the day, if you want to call him a dick for the first page then well I wouldn't agree but I'm not going to argue that it wasn't a bit inconsiderate.

And so a tiny bit more progress.

that wasn't your original assumption about what happened.

Yes it was, because I only discovered the skipping exactly from his declaration that the skipt chapters were found elsewhere, and my original assumption in the explanation of the skipping was that he were telling the truth.

I have no clue who GDS is too

Then you were foolish for simply equating the uploader with GDS, in your interpretation of the comment that I liked, and your inferences from that interpretation. (Note that your misinterpretation informed your claims about what I knew and when I knew it.)

I just knew that this guy was just helping all of us who had read up to 41 but were waiting forever for 42. If he didn't post it here you would never have known that this manga was finished so he did you and all the other people who had no idea that this manga was purged a favor. And straight up it's your responsibility and everyone who was here during the purge's responsibilty to understand that reading any manga on Mangadex is a total minefield. The vast majority of popular manga was purged, sometimes people still post chapters (when they aren't supposed to which you yourself argued for), many times a ton of chapters get skipped. If you aren't clicking in on a manga you haven't seen in a long while then that's on you.

Absolutely none of that contradicts anything that I've said, and so in no way rationalizes your arguments.

Oh wow you straight up admitted it! Okay well, I mean, I'm not going to doxx you here. Surprised you would just admit it but yeah it's not like you were hiding it when you used the same exact name.

So I guess that the

lol

is on you. Once again, you were just sure, for no good reason, of your theory of what I do and of why I do it.

I make sure my real life and any online account are far apart as possible for many good reasons.

I don't have a lot of interest in what reasons you have for concealing yourself.

And I mean, you really want to continue a flame war with someone that knows who you are in real life and also can see all the very personal blog posts you've put up over the years?

If you showed up at my door, then I'd deal with you.

You can say what you want about not caring, but there's just no way someone doesn't care and yet continues on with this lol.

The question isn't of whether I care about something, but of what that something is.

Surely you realize this is a waste of time, but you can't let go either!

You ought to understand that I write easily and quickly.

I'm not going to insult you in this one post, if you want to continue this though and just insult each other back and forth I promise I can and will get very personal.

And? Going back to that something about which I care enough to argue here, it isn't itself the defense of myself from what you now admit is

a flame war

on your part. My purpose is served by your exhibition, no matter what you show yourself to be. It's a bit late for you to clean-up your act, but you'd at least be cutting your losses.

 

[endymion]

And so a tiny bit more progress.

Yes it was, because I only discovered the skipping exactly from his declaration that the skipt chapters were found elsewhere, and my original assumption in the explanation of the skipping was that he were telling the truth.

Then you were foolish for simply equating the uploader with GDS, in your interpretation of the comment that I liked, and your inferences from that interpretation. (Note that your misinterpretation informed your claims about what I knew and when I knew it.)

Absolutely none of that contradicts anything that I've said, and so in no way rationalizes your arguments.

So I guess that the

is on you. Once again, you were just sure, for no good reason, of your theory of what I do and of why I do it.

I don't have a lot of interest in what reasons you have for concealing yourself.

If you showed up at my door, then I'd deal with you.

The question isn't of whether I care about something, but of what that something is.

You ought to understand that I write easily and quickly.

And? Going back to that something about which I care enough to argue here, it isn't itself the defense of myself from what you now admit is

on your part. My purpose is served by your exhibition, no matter what you show yourself to be. It's a bit late for you to clean-up your act, but you'd at least be cutting your losses.

LOL you are actually threatening me? Maybe I shuold just show up at your door I am curious how you will deal with me. I've been to Hillcrest many times so maybe I should stop by next time. Do you want me to give you a call first? LOL my man, you are like what, 65? And of course single because why would anybody want to stick around with someone as idiotic as yourself. You also look creepy as hell. It's remarkable how dumb you are. Living in a tiny ass apartment, trying to throw publications at 3rd rate journals, getting rejected no less! You see when I call you a loser in life, it's because I know you are. When you call me whatever you want I don't care because you know nothing about me (aside from the fact that I'm petty, which I happily admit). So yes let's continue! Your purpose is to be my amusement because I simply cannot stand idiots like yourself.

 

[Oeconomist]

you are actually threatening me?

Nope. I'm saying that I don't worry about anything that you might do in what you regard as

a flame war

trying to throw publications at 3rd rate journals

I wouldn't bother to throw articles (which, unpublished, would obviously not be publications) at third-rate journals.

In toto all that you offer here

LOL you are actually threatening me? Maybe I shuold just show up at your door I am curious how you will deal with me. I've been to Hillcrest many times so maybe I should stop by next time. Do you want me to give you a call first? LOL my man, you are like what, 65? And of course single because why would anybody want to stick around with someone as idiotic as yourself. You also look creepy as hell. It's remarkable how dumb you are. Living in a tiny ass apartment, trying to throw publications at 3rd rate journals, getting rejected no less! You see when I call you a loser in life, it's because I know you are. When you call me whatever you want I don't care because you know nothing about me (aside from the fact that I'm petty, which I happily admit). So yes let's continue! Your purpose is to be my amusement because I simply cannot stand idiots like yourself.

are insults and another admission of sadism.

Voltaire is said to have cried

Lord, protect me from my friends; I can take care of my enemies myself.

KaiserZ (the scanlator and uploader here) may have made a dick move, but he doesn't deserve the association that you've created for him with a persistent dick. Far from being his white knight, you've become an albatross.

 

[endymion]

Nope. I'm saying that I don't worry about anything that you might do in what you regard as



I wouldn't bother to throw articles (which, unpublished, would obviously not be publications) at third-rate journals.

In toto all that you offer here

are insults and another admission of sadism.

Voltaire is said to have cried

KaiserZ (the scanlator and uploader here) may have made a dick move, but he doesn't deserve the association that you've created for him with a persistent dick. Far from being his white knight, you've become an albatross.

LOL no you threatened me you moron, 'if you show up at my door I'll deal with you.' I never said I was going to do that, no idea why you brought it up but I mean I have your address so maybe it was an invite instead of a threat? Nah you definitely were threatening me. Yes since you can't stop, I won't either, let's dig deep into why you are a loveless old guy. You are getting rejected from third rate journals, it's all over your blog please. And nothing is sadder than someone who isn't affiliated with any institution and just submits papers. Almost always a bad sign, and yep thank you for proving it. I will keep insulting you because you deserve it, you seem to want it even. And when this venue no longer works, let's continue at your site yeah? I'm having fun and I hope you are too!

I don't even know why you brought KaiserZ up, I'm attacking you because you are so stupid and you yourself just can't let go.

 

[Oeconomist]

no you threatened me you moron

No, I didn't. But you'll just keep insisting.

I never said I was going to do that, no idea why you brought it up

In response to

you really want to continue a flame war with someone that knows who you are in real life

You've obsessively tracked down as much information as you can about me, including my home address.

You are getting rejected from third rate journals

Nope, I don't submit to third-rate journals. And, when I begin submitting articles, I have a lower rejection rate for each than is typical in the fields in which I submit.

it's all over your blog please

No, in my 'blog, I'm honest about my rejections. Few people 'blog about their rejections; but, for the vast majority of legitimate journals, one can find an acceptance rate, and I'm leagues ahead.

And nothing is sadder than someone who isn't affiliated with any institution and just submits papers.

That's simply absurd. Quite literally most people who start with an affiliation lose it exactly because they don't get published, and successful publication without affiliation is quite rare.

Were having articles rejected or publishing without affiliation truly something of which to be ashamed, then I doubt that I'd share them on my 'blog. I discuss each because they are interesting, and the first (the rejections) so that people can understand the whole process (including its grief) far better than do most.

LOL no you threatened me you moron, 'if you show up at my door I'll deal with you.' I never said I was going to do that, no idea why you brought it up but I mean I have your address so maybe it was an invite instead of a threat? Nah you definitely were threatening me. Yes since you can't stop, I won't either, let's dig deep into why you are a loveless old guy. You are getting rejected from third rate journals, it's all over your blog please. And nothing is sadder than someone who isn't affiliated with any institution and just submits papers. Almost always a bad sign, and yep thank you for proving it. I will keep insulting you because you deserve it, you seem to want it even. And when this venue no longer works, let's continue at your site yeah? I'm having fun and I hope you are too!

And, again, all that you are doing is flaming. Telling the audience (and presumably yourself) that you're having fun, even as your attempts at a logical defense of KaiserZ and a logical attack on his critics (especially me) failed. That doesn't look so much like fun to me as it does an attempt to feel empowered after you were shown to be weak.

I don't even know why you brought KaiserZ up

You earlier and repeatedly declared that all that you were after was defending him; but, when you failed, you threw him under the bus.

 

[endymion]

No, I didn't. But you'll just keep insisting.

In response to

You've obsessively tracked down as much information as you can about me, including my home address.

Nope, I don't submit to third-rate journals. And, when I begin submitting articles, I have a lower rejection rate for each than is typical in the fields in which I submit.

No, in my 'blog, I'm honest about my rejections. Few people 'blog about their rejections; but, for the vast majority of legitimate journals, one can find an acceptance rate, and I'm leagues ahead.

That's simply absurd. Quite literally most people who start with an affiliation lose it exactly because they don't get published, and successful publication without affiliation is quite rare.

Were having articles rejected or publishing without affiliation truly something of which to be ashamed, then I doubt that I'd share them on my 'blog. I discuss each because they are interesting, and the first (the rejections) so that people can understand the whole process (including its grief) far better than do most.

And, again, all that you are doing is flaming. Telling the audience (and presumably yourself) that you're having fun, even as your attempts at a logical defense of KaiserZ and a logical attack on his critics (especially me) failed. That doesn't look so much like fun to me as it does an attempt to feel empowered after you were shown to be weak.


You earlier and repeatedly declared that all that you were after was defending him; but, when you failed, you threw him under the bus.

Your information is super available, have you ever searched yourself? It's like the first 3 links! Don't make it seem like I had to try please! You DO submit to third rate journals. You submit to Elsevier journals which people only do if they can't go anywhere else. You have a spreadsheet where you shotgun your submissions when one rejects. Come on! You are just a loser. I was in a different field than you, but my advisor would crucify me if I ever suggested just tossing some half baked paper in a shit journal or conference just to get some publications on my CV. Do you know how hard it is to get onto OSDI or SOSP? Actually you probably don't know what they are but those are first rate conferences in my field, and if I couldn't get accepted then I had to try again, I couldn't just toss it in the next journal down like you have to resort to. Also I'm willing to bet the people who also are "published" at your for-profit journals have no associated institutions or weak ones. Care to guess what institutions get accepted into the conferences I have pubs in? Also a few ACM journals too but no one cares about journals in my field, it's a weird quirk.
Anyway lol you aren't affiliated because you suck at your field. Actually I can't even tell but do you even have a doctorate? Are you a 65 year old non-doctorate who tries to publish papers in low rate journals? Why?? I'll tell you something that I heard directly from people I knew who were on the committees, they would usually just throw out submissions from nameless people with no institutional affiliation and not even a doctorate from a known institution since so many would just shotgun submit and wasted everyones time. That's you!

Dude, we have longggg since past trying to convince each other or are even talking about the manga. Right now it's back and forth insults like I promised and you wanted.

 

[Oeconomist]

Your information is super available

I'm sure that it is.

have you ever searched yourself?

It's been a while.

Don't make it seem like I had to try please!

People who don't try don't find me.

Elsevier journals which people only do if they can't go anywhere else

Nope. Elsevier publishes a range of journals, some of which are first rate and some of which are crap. I go by standard metrics in deciding to which journals I submit.

You have a spreadsheet where you shotgun your submissions when one rejects.

That spreadsheet orders journals by the aforementioned standard metrics. I simply don't bother submitting to journals with poor metrics of quality; I include them in the spreadsheet to avoid accidentally submitting to a bad journal. And I never shotgun, which would be a matter of simultaneous submissions.

Do you know how hard it is to get onto OSDI or SOSP?

No, I've never had reason to care.

Actually you probably don't know what they are

Actually, I've taught programming for UCSD, and so had a glancing acquaintance.

Also I'm willing to bet the people who also are "published" at your for-profit journals have no associated institutions or weak ones.

You could have looked into The Review of Symbolic Logic or The Journal of Mathematical Economics before making that declaration, but you wanted to remain ignorant so that you wouldn't actually be lying, just proceeding with willful disregard for the truth.

Anyway lol you aren't affiliated because you suck at your field. Actually I can't even tell but do you even have a doctorate? Are you a 65 year old non-doctorate who tries to publish papers in low rate journals? Why?? I'll tell you something that I heard directly from people I knew who were on the committees, they would usually just throw out submissions from nameless people with no institutional affiliation and not even a doctorate from a known institution since so many would just shotgun submit and wasted everyones time. That's you!

And just pure flaming.

Dude, we have longggg since past trying to convince each other or are even talking about the manga.

That is not the point. Abandoning KaiserZ would be one thing; throwing him under the bus is another.

Right now it's back and forth insults like I promised and you wanted.

Insults were what you wanted increasingly as your case collapsed. What I wanted, beyond showing how rotten your case were, was for you to show everyone what you are; it would have been okay with me if you'd shown us that you were a better person than your prior behavior indicated; it is okay with me that you are showing yourself to be a worse person.

 

[endymion]

I'm sure that it is.

It's been a while.

People who don't try don't find me.

Nope. Elsevier publishes a range of journals, some of which are first rate and some of which are crap. I go by standard metrics in deciding to which journals I submit.

That spreadsheet orders journals by the aforementioned standard metrics. I simply don't bother submitting to journals with poor metrics of quality; I include them in the spreadsheet to avoid accidentally submitting to a bad journal. And I never shotgun, which would be a matter of simultaneous submissions.

No, I've never had reason to care.

Actually, I've taught programming for UCSD, and so had a glancing acquaintance.

You could have looked into The Review of Symbolic Logic or The Journal of Mathematical Economics before making that declaration, but you wanted to remain ignorant so that you wouldn't actually be lying, just proceeding with willful disregard for the truth.

And just pure flaming.

That is not the point. Abandoning KaiserZ would be one thing; throwing him under the bus is another.

Insults were what you wanted increasingly as your case collapsed. What I wanted, beyond showing how rotten your case were, was for you to show everyone what you are; it would have been okay with me if you'd shown us that you were a better person than your prior behavior indicated; it is okay with me that you are showing yourself to be a worse person.

Wow the fact that you defend Elsevier says pretty much everything. Nobody with any credibility will want to be published there. Go look, see the other authors who were published there with you, see what institutions they are from. So let me get this straight, you are over 60, no-doctorate, no institution, and you... submit papers? For fun? Why?? Also it's pretty clear you have almost no citations, I think one paper had 1. So you clearly aren't even having an impact. What exactly are you doing lol. OMG my advisor would have flat out disowned me from his academic tree if I ended up like you hahahah.

LOL I know some of the people at UCSD. I should ask to see if anyone remembers you. And let them know what a sad sack you've become that you are shotgun submitting in for profit journals w/o an institution. And you almost certainly didn't teach as a prof or lecturer so you at most were some TA, which doesn't make sense since you don't seem smart enough to have been a grad student there. I met one lecturer there from a while back named Rick, fun guy, I hope you weren't associated with him. I highly doubt you would have associated with the profs there esp in the systems group like uh Sorin and Armin and some other people I can't remember off the top of my head. I'm actually not sure if they are still around lol.

No I basically owned you in every aspect, you admitted my central point, but then we just went on crazy tangents. Then you threatened me with that 'show up at my door and I'll deal with you' so here we are! You have to understand something, I really don't care at all what you say about me, since I am the one that knows so much about you, and you know pretty much nothing about me (wel okay now you know that I'm your academic superior in every way, which I didn't want to reveal but alas). Anyway we can continue this forever! Let's continue on your site later in case this gets shut down, you will have to approve my friendly comments though ok?

 

[Oeconomist]

Wow the fact that you defend Elsevier says pretty much everything. Nobody with any credibility will want to be published there. Go look, see the other authors who were published there with you, see what institutions they are from. So let me get this straight, you are over 60, no-doctorate, no institution, and you... submit papers? For fun? Why?? Also it's pretty clear you have almost no citations, I think one paper had 1. So you clearly aren't even having an impact. What exactly are you doing lol. OMG my advisor would have flat out disowned me from his academic tree if I ended up like you hahahah.

LOL I know some of the people at UCSD. I should ask to see if anyone remembers you. And let them know what a sad sack you've become that you are shotgun submitting in for profit journals w/o an institution. And you almost certainly didn't teach as a prof or lecturer so you at most were some TA, which doesn't make sense since you don't seem smart enough to have been a grad student there. I met one lecturer there from a while back named Rick, fun guy, I hope you weren't associated with him. I highly doubt you would have associated with the profs there esp in the systems group like uh Sorin and Armin and some other people I can't remember off the top of my head. I'm actually not sure if they are still around lol.

No I basically owned you in every aspect, you admitted my central point, but then we just went on crazy tangents. Then you threatened me with that 'show up at my door and I'll deal with you' so here we are! You have to understand something, I really don't care at all what you say about me, since I am the one that knows so much about you, and you know pretty much nothing about me (wel okay now you know that I'm your academic superior in every way, which I didn't want to reveal but alas). Anyway we can continue this forever! Let's continue on your site later in case this gets shut down, you will have to approve my friendly comments though ok?

The desire to be cruel as such always comes from a felt sense of weakness, and hence your attempts to find a way to hurt me; but the attempts themselves are impotent, so a vicious circle results, with you escalating. Not only are you just throwing-out nothing but insults, but you're so worked-up that you don't care whether they're honest, competent, or truthful; you just hope (vainly) for them to be hurtful; and you've even begun lobbing the same at my 'blog.

Now, people here cannot see your attempts at my 'blog, but they can otherwise see you for the sort of person that you are, so my objective continues to be realized.

 

[Oeconomist]

the fact that you defend Elsevier says pretty much everything

So, as I've said, some Elsevier journals are crap; and it occurred to me that I didn't know whether any Elsevier journals of information science were not crap; in which case you might here be making an honest error of extrapolation. But I am capable of checking standard metrics for information journals.

So, the first thing that I checked were the rankings for AI journals. (Since AI intersects decision theory, its of special interest to me.) Oops! Well, the number two journal is published by Elsevier. Then I checked journals on computer graphics and CAD; the ninth and eleventh ranked journals were published by Elsevier. Computer networks and communications; second and sixteenth. Computer vision and pattern recognition; fourteenth (not great but not awful).

Okay, the non-computers here can see the pattern.

 

[endymion]

The desire to be cruel as such always comes from a felt sense of weakness, and hence your attempts to find a way to hurt me; but the attempts themselves are impotent, so a vicious circle results, with you escalating. Not only are you just throwing-out nothing but insults, but you're so worked-up that you don't care whether they're honest, competent, or truthful; you just hope (vainly) for them to be hurtful; and you've even begun lobbing the same at my 'blog.

Now, people here cannot see your attempts at my 'blog, but they can otherwise see you for the sort of person that you are, so my objective continues to be realized.

Lol look you could have ended this days ago but you just won't stop. I even gave a nice off ramp and you not only mocked me but you threatened me. You like this. From your blog you clearly see value in honesty. That's why you like talking to me, cuz only I am brutally honest to you. And do you think I care about what you think? I could be a chatbot for all you know. There's literally no connection to me with this, unlike you. Hence why you feel so compelled to defend yourself at every turn, since I'm not berating some anonymous online account, I'm berating you!

So, as I've said, some Elsevier journals are crap; and it occurred to me that I didn't know whether any Elsevier journals of information science were not crap; in which case you might here be making an honest error of extrapolation. But I am capable of checking standard metrics for information journals.

So, the first thing that I checked were the rankings for AI journals. (Since AI intersects decision theory, its of special interest to me.) Oops! Well, the number two journal is published by Elsevier. Then I checked journals on computer graphics and CAD; the ninth and eleventh ranked journals were published by Elsevier. Computer networks and communications; second and sixteenth. Computer vision and pattern recognition; fourteenth (not great but not awful).

Okay, the non-computers here can see the pattern.

I just told you no one cares about journals in my field! LOL please you don't know anything about my field nor how we rate venues! For AI start with NIPS. OMG using some site to prove your point, please think real hard about this, do you think experts look at "SJR" as anything? Come on man, use your brain here. You know everything I said is true. Here I'll dispense knowledge to you. When you look at your venue, look at who else publishes there. If you see institutions known to be the top in the field (and to remind you, depending on the field, expect to see the usual suspects like MIT, Berk, Stanford, Harvard, etc), then that's good! If you see a bunch of self-published guys with no doctorate, that's BAD. Any journal that accepts you is probably not good. Do you know ANYONE who is a professor at a TOP instituion, like UCSD counts since you name dropped them, so ask them what they think of for profit journals. Have you EVER even been in a doctorate program? And had an advisor? I can't tell if you were a failed grad student or someone who has never been in a program at all, in which case your total ignorance of how things are lined up in acadamia would be understandable, but lol, you need to completely re-examine everything you think you know.

BTW you aren't even listed on Google Scholar. And you apparently have two publications with 2 citations combined? I have a profile and around 3000 according to Google Scholar (admittedly a lot of those are almost certainly not citations from legit papers in legit venues, but it's definitely above 1000 if I only count the good ones). Like do you know why people go do doctorate programs? It isn't JUST to publish. It's because your advisor is supposed to guide you. Otherwise you come up with absolutely stupid ideas like yourself.

Like what are you doing? I know people like you exist because I've seen their submissions get laughed out, no name people with zero academic credentials and no affiliation, but I could never understood what they were doing. So please enlighten me, wTF are you doing with your life? Look, don't bother attacking me, since like I said I don't care one iota what you think. If you want to continue this honesty fest though sure! At least you are learning new and uncomfortable things, haha. But please tell me how someone like you ticks cuz I have always been really curious what those crazy peoiple who submit random stuff are like.

EDIT: Okay I just realized that one of your pubs was only self-cited, so you only have 1 citation across 2 publications, your first pub was cited only by your second pub, and your second pub cited by one of those Springer books. I'd laugh at that, but back in the day they asked us to 'convert' one of our papers into a chapter so since my name is in one of their books I can't say anything bad about them. And I straight up have no idea why a book titled "What do storytelling and marketing have in common?" would cite your paper on formal qualitative probability. I honestly wonder if it was a lazy mis-citation (which happens when we write a paper, have some half-assed claim but want to put a number to it, do an abstract search to see if anything could work, and just grab something we see. no one is going to complain after all, have you ever read the book to see where it cited you? I can probably get it from my account if you don't have access). Anyway that's a crazy ratio. Even if you had published in a good venue (and I'll admit I don't know much about econ journals, but again the rule of who else is publishing in there applies, much more htan whatever metric you are digging up on some website), that you have almost zero citations says a lot. Even my worst paper has at least 10.

 

[Oeconomist]

I just told you no one cares about journals in my field!

That isn't all that you said, and isn't what was refuted by the links that I provided. You claimed

You submit to Elsevier journals which people only do if they can't go anywhere else.

Now, that's wrong either way, but the question was of whether you were making an honest-though-foolish error extrapolating from what is observed in computer and information science. That possibility is ruled-out by checking metrics. Even if, in your specialty, there were no Elsevier journals of note, if you were an academic then you would be exposed to them in computer and information science more generally.

So that leaves us with two possibilities. The first is that you knew better, but just lied for effect. The second is that you didn't know better, but guessed, based on outsider presumptions about academia.

In consideration of the latter possibility, I note that you had no clue about how and why other accounts here would be pinged, which understanding would be natural to a computer scientists. And you don't have a predisposition to logic, which would also be natural to a computer scientist. Moreover, you've already used a character account, for sock-puppet e.mail to me. So I have to impute a high plausibility to the idea that your endymion account has degenerated into a character account with which you pretend to be academically accomplished.

Anyway, you can throw a lot of flak around, but what you actually wrote about Elsevier journals is falsified.

look you could have ended this days ago but you just won't stop.

That's not to the point. As I've repeatedly said, I'm okay with you showing yourself for what you are. My feelings aren't hurt; I just note that you're trying, because of what you are.

you threatened me.

No I didn't; I waved-away your stalking.

do you think I care about what you think?

From your blog you clearly see value in honesty. That's why you like talking to me, cuz only I am brutally honest to you.

No, I've caught you in more than one lie, so quite evidently I have a different purpose.

do you think I care about what you think?

You have a revealed preference here.

I could be a chatbot for all you know.

Well, as I've noted above, a good case can be made that you're not what you pretend to be. But a chatbot is quite unlikely. The expense of training one to such purpose would be prohibitive, and a computer scientist would recognize that much about the costs.

Hence why you feel so compelled to defend yourself at every turn, since I'm not berating some anonymous online account, I'm berating you!

No, it wouldn't matter to me whom or what you were berating, if the arguments were of the same general sort.