Orenchi ni Kita Onna Kishi to Inakagurashi Surukotoninatta Ken - Ch. 99 - Like a Fairy Tale
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Is there a spin off called:
"My Brother Can't be this Retarded"?
"My Brother Can't be this Retarded"?
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Quite a few people in this thread would benefit from reading more fantasy series. There are some of those that address the issue of a hero being nothing but a killing machine, sometimes quite a broken killing machine trained to be so from early childhood. The brother in this series doesn't seem to be quite that bad (or broken), but he's not that far off. If his daily life was nothing but training and then going out to fight monsters (which is everything the kingdom doesn't like) to the death, it's somewhat understandable Christina would mean a lot to him. Perhaps she was his only safe harbour in the world, especially since he doesn't seem to particularly pay attention to the mage (one-sided love?). Too bad he's too broken to be able to think what's good for Christina, he seems to only want to keep Christina around for his own sake, like some kind of idol.
Just wait. They'll try to guilt trip Chris, saying how much effort they put into finding her, and launch this rescue attempt. She'll dismiss them, and send them on their way. Then Louise and Prince Dipshit will find they can't go back.
The greatest mage their world has ever known couldn't find a way back. What chance do these arrogant fools have?
The greatest mage their world has ever known couldn't find a way back. What chance do these arrogant fools have?
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Sigh, any hope for at least one of the 2 newcomers not being completely fucking worthless is now gone.
They'd better shape up fast. Honestly, the most interesting way this could go would be the brother slapped in prototype magic blocking chains and thrown in prison for assault and destruction of property, and taught a fucking lesson away from his sister and wife.
But instead, ya know, he's gonna get off scot free. Fuck this arc needs to end.
They'd better shape up fast. Honestly, the most interesting way this could go would be the brother slapped in prototype magic blocking chains and thrown in prison for assault and destruction of property, and taught a fucking lesson away from his sister and wife.
But instead, ya know, he's gonna get off scot free. Fuck this arc needs to end.
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So when are they gonna quarantine these two newcomers?
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Appalling. At the least, Christina should have irrevocably disowned her brother.
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Some people here said Christina changed. Hmmmm... Well, her behaviour did, but not her character. All people are wearing masks to make other people see them as people with different character traids. A police women might wear the mask of professionalism for the public, the goofy, joking colleague mask for her pears and the loving but strict mother mask for her children. We can only wear a mask that don't fit us for short times. Sooner or later our true colors bleed through and dye them, revealing us partial, but not totally. Okay, enough blather as prelude.
Christina wore her mask as little sister and then as knight, making her brother see her as his cute widdle sister, that tries hard to prove her worth. And it made Louise see her as a female companions in a male dominated world, that tries hard to prove her worth (just guessing, because of that "so many women in important positions remark") Sounds similar, but are differently felt by both of them. And Christina? I guess she got feed up of that knight mask. Maybe it put too many ristrictions on her, pulling her into a constant fight between her real core personality and somehow preventing her true colors dirtying her clean mask/image. Sounds taxing.
"You've changed" in that case would be extra hurtful, as it would show, that Louise never saw the real Christina and maybe even doesn't like the real one. But this isn't a one-way-street. Maybe Christina also only saw Louises cheerful mask, but never new the real Louise behind it.
(Or maybe Louise is simply trying to justify and protect her own hubby.)
Christina wore her mask as little sister and then as knight, making her brother see her as his cute widdle sister, that tries hard to prove her worth. And it made Louise see her as a female companions in a male dominated world, that tries hard to prove her worth (just guessing, because of that "so many women in important positions remark") Sounds similar, but are differently felt by both of them. And Christina? I guess she got feed up of that knight mask. Maybe it put too many ristrictions on her, pulling her into a constant fight between her real core personality and somehow preventing her true colors dirtying her clean mask/image. Sounds taxing.
"You've changed" in that case would be extra hurtful, as it would show, that Louise never saw the real Christina and maybe even doesn't like the real one. But this isn't a one-way-street. Maybe Christina also only saw Louises cheerful mask, but never new the real Louise behind it.
(Or maybe Louise is simply trying to justify and protect her own hubby.)
People in here are so far being quite unreasonable, I know that the main characters are the ones you naturally are the most accustomed to and thus empathise with but there is slightly more going on.
Think of it from the perspective of their moral standards.
Even if it is a different world Christina is part of a noble lineage and as such can be said to be under the stewardship of her father or brother until marriage and the transfer of that headship to the husband. Marriages are meant to be decided by the family and at a minimum have their permission. Men may be able to marry down but such a marriage is a lot more risky for women and thus a minimum level of status and a likelihood of advancement must be displayed.
His sister was taken into an unfamiliar territory by unknown means and then married without regard to family honour or tradition by someone of very low social status, an honourable person of low social status would have recognised the social differences and acted with deference and consideration, making sure to limit attachment. There were historically males of low social status who seduced upper class women and they were typically the male equivalents of gold diggers, having a very very poor reputation both in the upper classes and the lower (who they often treated a lot worse than regular nobles did).
As a society under constant existential threat strength is a key factor in deciding your place in the social hierarchy, with the social hierarchy in large part being designed to place limits on that power by creating obligations between the different social castes and thus directing violence outwards and limiting lawless rule by the strong, in medieval europe at least these were also intensely legalistic societies who viewed their social norms as as advanced and naturally correct as we do. As her fiance is a weakling he has no means of protecting her, not that that would have limited hostility much, the forced marriage and enslavement of women by foreign cultures has been a historical constant and was a source rather than a resolution of grievances. However his weakness should have made his level on the social hierarchy obvious and he should have understood that a lack of decency in dealing with her family would be a casus belli.
Lastly getting her pregnant means that her marriage opportunities are greatly limited, that she will birth a child of poor lineage and that a very extreme social taboo in all societies prior to the 20th century has been breached, in both medieval europe and indeed up until the mid 19th century the despoiling of a women (often regardless of social status though nobles typically made a grander affair of the thing) was a provocation which family and personal honour would demand recompense for, whether legal or in the form of the death of the offender, such an offence would very often be answered by a demand for a duel to the death, though in some places and especially when there was such a social difference straight up killing them was unlikely to raise eyebrows and with the circumstances even a jury of commoners would likely sympathise with the offended party and refuse to punish them. In East Asia the social difference would be a justification to kill them and their entire family lineage (e.g. everyone related to them by a certain degree of separation, e.g. three generations up, across and down or four or five etc).
Christina should understand all this as a person from their world and likewise understand that moving place does not break family ties or the obligations her brother has to retain his family's honour, she should also understand her brother's grief that she has greatly damaged her reputation and prospects and slighted her family, in sort the Asian concept of 'face' could be said to apply. The fact she doesn't consider this or attempt to close ground from common understanding is why she could be said to have changed, from the perspective of a clever person like the mage it likely doesn't endear her.
The brother has come from a great journey and been through much to ensure the safety of his little sister, he then finds that she has been seduced by a man of low social status with less strength and reliability than a cockroach, he did so in fragrant breech of family honour, personal regard and social consideration and as a weakling with no wealth or influence likely wouldn't even be able to take responsibly for it even if extended the opportunity. He has also consummated the marriage and thus greatly reduced the possibility for the situation to be salvaged. He then repeatedly talks to a social superior without having been spoken to and throws what he has done in his face while the man is still trying to process the situation. The fact he isn't dead shows extreme consideration by the brother (especially considering how much he would have had to have held back for that to be the case). His sister then fails to consider his feelings or the difficult position she has put him in and tells him he's of secondary interest to her, he makes clear just how easily he could have turned her husband into a red mist and huffs off in strop.
From the mages perspective she now has to mediate all of this while having regard to her own position and when Christina should already know what she did to upset her brother. The mage will be marrying the brother and as his wife to be she has several considerations, of course there is her personal attachment and sympathy to him but on top of that the power of marriage is a lot stronger in her society, by marrying him her interests will merge with his completely, from a legal and social perspective they will become the same person in a literal sense, as such any disagreements must be sorted out internally, with them presenting a unified front to the outside world. As his fiance she must fight his corner as if it's her own (the reason being that once she has children their position will be reliant on the success of her husband) and never publicly contradict or undermine him, preferably she should exceed her obligations and thus demonstrate (mostly towards other women as he's a catch, but also to the family in order to be accepted and towards society so that his own reputation is strengthened) and entrench her future position. As a result of this she has been left with a rather painful mess to clean up and her old friend Christiana doesn't even understand this and shows no consideration towards it.
As such she is left with the task of privately guiding her fiance, gathering information, dealing with outsiders, healing a family rift, finding a solution to family obligations which demand the death of someone important to the one you are trying to convince to return home, setting up and enacting a return, convincing said person to return, deciding whether it is even worth it if they do or whether it is better (in terms of both them and you socially) to act as though they died. As well as basically everything else as you have been left in a difficult social situation with your support being someone who is mostly good at killing things, who has personal skin in the situation and whom you can't contradict. If Christiana understood this and worked with her then the task would be a great deal easier but instead she talked about irrelevant nonsense, twisted the knife in the concerns of her brother and showed every sign of not understanding anyone's position, including her own.
Think of it from the perspective of their moral standards.
Even if it is a different world Christina is part of a noble lineage and as such can be said to be under the stewardship of her father or brother until marriage and the transfer of that headship to the husband. Marriages are meant to be decided by the family and at a minimum have their permission. Men may be able to marry down but such a marriage is a lot more risky for women and thus a minimum level of status and a likelihood of advancement must be displayed.
His sister was taken into an unfamiliar territory by unknown means and then married without regard to family honour or tradition by someone of very low social status, an honourable person of low social status would have recognised the social differences and acted with deference and consideration, making sure to limit attachment. There were historically males of low social status who seduced upper class women and they were typically the male equivalents of gold diggers, having a very very poor reputation both in the upper classes and the lower (who they often treated a lot worse than regular nobles did).
As a society under constant existential threat strength is a key factor in deciding your place in the social hierarchy, with the social hierarchy in large part being designed to place limits on that power by creating obligations between the different social castes and thus directing violence outwards and limiting lawless rule by the strong, in medieval europe at least these were also intensely legalistic societies who viewed their social norms as as advanced and naturally correct as we do. As her fiance is a weakling he has no means of protecting her, not that that would have limited hostility much, the forced marriage and enslavement of women by foreign cultures has been a historical constant and was a source rather than a resolution of grievances. However his weakness should have made his level on the social hierarchy obvious and he should have understood that a lack of decency in dealing with her family would be a casus belli.
Lastly getting her pregnant means that her marriage opportunities are greatly limited, that she will birth a child of poor lineage and that a very extreme social taboo in all societies prior to the 20th century has been breached, in both medieval europe and indeed up until the mid 19th century the despoiling of a women (often regardless of social status though nobles typically made a grander affair of the thing) was a provocation which family and personal honour would demand recompense for, whether legal or in the form of the death of the offender, such an offence would very often be answered by a demand for a duel to the death, though in some places and especially when there was such a social difference straight up killing them was unlikely to raise eyebrows and with the circumstances even a jury of commoners would likely sympathise with the offended party and refuse to punish them. In East Asia the social difference would be a justification to kill them and their entire family lineage (e.g. everyone related to them by a certain degree of separation, e.g. three generations up, across and down or four or five etc).
Christina should understand all this as a person from their world and likewise understand that moving place does not break family ties or the obligations her brother has to retain his family's honour, she should also understand her brother's grief that she has greatly damaged her reputation and prospects and slighted her family, in sort the Asian concept of 'face' could be said to apply. The fact she doesn't consider this or attempt to close ground from common understanding is why she could be said to have changed, from the perspective of a clever person like the mage it likely doesn't endear her.
The brother has come from a great journey and been through much to ensure the safety of his little sister, he then finds that she has been seduced by a man of low social status with less strength and reliability than a cockroach, he did so in fragrant breech of family honour, personal regard and social consideration and as a weakling with no wealth or influence likely wouldn't even be able to take responsibly for it even if extended the opportunity. He has also consummated the marriage and thus greatly reduced the possibility for the situation to be salvaged. He then repeatedly talks to a social superior without having been spoken to and throws what he has done in his face while the man is still trying to process the situation. The fact he isn't dead shows extreme consideration by the brother (especially considering how much he would have had to have held back for that to be the case). His sister then fails to consider his feelings or the difficult position she has put him in and tells him he's of secondary interest to her, he makes clear just how easily he could have turned her husband into a red mist and huffs off in strop.
From the mages perspective she now has to mediate all of this while having regard to her own position and when Christina should already know what she did to upset her brother. The mage will be marrying the brother and as his wife to be she has several considerations, of course there is her personal attachment and sympathy to him but on top of that the power of marriage is a lot stronger in her society, by marrying him her interests will merge with his completely, from a legal and social perspective they will become the same person in a literal sense, as such any disagreements must be sorted out internally, with them presenting a unified front to the outside world. As his fiance she must fight his corner as if it's her own (the reason being that once she has children their position will be reliant on the success of her husband) and never publicly contradict or undermine him, preferably she should exceed her obligations and thus demonstrate (mostly towards other women as he's a catch, but also to the family in order to be accepted and towards society so that his own reputation is strengthened) and entrench her future position. As a result of this she has been left with a rather painful mess to clean up and her old friend Christiana doesn't even understand this and shows no consideration towards it.
As such she is left with the task of privately guiding her fiance, gathering information, dealing with outsiders, healing a family rift, finding a solution to family obligations which demand the death of someone important to the one you are trying to convince to return home, setting up and enacting a return, convincing said person to return, deciding whether it is even worth it if they do or whether it is better (in terms of both them and you socially) to act as though they died. As well as basically everything else as you have been left in a difficult social situation with your support being someone who is mostly good at killing things, who has personal skin in the situation and whom you can't contradict. If Christiana understood this and worked with her then the task would be a great deal easier but instead she talked about irrelevant nonsense, twisted the knife in the concerns of her brother and showed every sign of not understanding anyone's position, including her own.
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Brah the brother is pissed cause MC is now Christina's top pick, that's all there is too it. You've really over thought this. We know this from his thoughts and images he procured and his half confession. It has nothing at all to do with nobility just a siscon that's waaaay to into his sister. The Mage is used to a Christina that is a warrior first and female second, now she's married and preggo.
Also imagine blaming Christina for introducing her husband and how she's preggo and results in assault to happen and trying to frame it like "If only Christina explained better" her brother isn't even listening to her so it's all moot.
Yeah, that's probably the authors intention but we'll see.
Certainly from the perspective of a fantasy world they are justified in their actions however and holding them to very westerncentric standards is weird and the fact basically the entire thread is pearl clutching was annoying me.
Plenty of places even now where randomly announcing a marriage will result in a beatdown, prior to a century or so ago it could result in a lot worse, there was no welfare so safety nets were all social and things like this were taken very seriously. People from such a world are pretty justified in their concerns.
She comes from their world and should know their social standards, if her husband was going to mouth off she should have kicked him in the shin before he could say any more, dumping a load of stuff like that on her brother was probably beyond stupid considering his social status and the fact that killing people is part of his job, they were both very lucky that he didn't take it worse. It is a general rule of thumb to spring things on people slowly, especially when there are cultural differences on display, you need to introduce things in their context so that people don't jump to conclusions. As things stood yes they were basically asking for it, I wish more settings were realistic about the gulf in cultural and moral values that different societies have rather than acting like they are all in practice secular liberal societies with a harm based moral system (which is literally only 150 years old and is not the go to system of most people even in the west but is mostly a thing in the younger generations, it's also very weak philosophically and likely won't outlast this century).
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I get your point I just don't think the writer prolly thought that deeply. They kept things pretty slice of lifey (Outside of that darker arc at the hospital that came out of no-where) so this is another gear shift (I'm assuming just for this arc) so we'll see how this plays out but I hope its well written cause this is smelling like forced drama.
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...There are limits to being a siscon. Just because you love your dear little sister doesn't mean you can be a complete violent asshole about it.
Onii-chan needs to sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up and keep his hands to himself. Christina, give him a time out or something. Make him sit in the corner and think about what he's done.
Onii-chan needs to sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up and keep his hands to himself. Christina, give him a time out or something. Make him sit in the corner and think about what he's done.
I'm just happy that something is happening, the fact that they had those two sitting in the wings the whole time as very little in terms of plot progression was happening was getting on my nerves. The pregnancy happening at the same time probably means that something lit a fire under the author as series like these can go on forever with nothing happening. The risk of change and conflict is always that the author will expose their shortcomings but hopefully they will dial back the forced humour and tropes and start exploring the characters they've spent so long building up. I imagine that these developments will motivate the translators (or at least I hope so, one of my favourite series got dropped after something like this happened) and we won't have to wait too long to see how they handle it.
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