Orenchi ni Kita Onna Kishi to Inakagurashi Surukotoninatta Ken - Vol. 3 Ch. 20 - Hospitalization

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Keeping out foreign patogens is protection for the people, and her being an illegal really doesnt grant her any rights, but still her human rights are still being observed, she hasnt been harmed, and while she is being restrained, it is not done with force.

Im loving this series for actually putting up the question and exploring the subject, other isekai would just go wishy washy with no harm or foul coming from such an event.
 
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@WillLi It's not irrational to use every normal safety measure against an abnormal threat, under the "it's the best we can do" theory. That said, you're dead on about the psychological isolation being completely retarded, unless they're up to something.

@kn1000a I see what you're saying, and you're right - there's an empty niche out there for treating an interaction with another world realistically, because that's usually not done very well. GATE tries, Trinity Wonder tries, Spec-Ops Asuka tries (and mostly succeeds, although it's depicting the aftermath of a collision with a magical world, not the collision itself), but there's nothing that really gets it entirely right.

I'm just irritated about the tone shift being done badly, and I feel bait-and-switched. Even if she's released later, there are still too many elements about this 'quarantine' that scream "none of this is on the level" in an Akira or Elfen Lied vein, to the point where I'd honestly be disappointed if she's just released after they figure out that either they can't do anything or she's harmless by any means they can measure. Having the other main characters contact her via phone from wherever they're being held, or giving her a lawyer/advocate (because she really needs one - not understanding the world and all) would help the realism a lot and dial down the "ah, it's one more Japanese work where the government is dicks" meter immensely.

Because if I wanted to read something about the government being dicks, I'd go re-read Akumetsu. That's not what I come to this manga for.
 
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I can understand the approach the government has taken and how it is handling the situation. It may seem hard-handed approach, but it's also done in real world to contain any possible epidemic outbreaks. So this isn't my gripe- rather instead...

What I'm wondering is, since it's not shown in the manga, has Chris been explained to what various examinations she's been taking are for? It's one of basic rights patients have, to know the purpose of tests they are taking. It doesn't have to be full of jargon- just telling her that a simple urine test can reveal signs of diseases and illnesses. I don't know if this is the original story, or based on light novel somewhere yet, but it certainly doesn't seem like the case to me in the manga.

Furthermore, it looks like Chris' mental health isn't being addressed either as she's beginning to show signs of depression- mental counseling is another basic right that patients have as being subjected to examinations or being isolated in containment wards can adverse affect their mental health. A depressed individual who is also capable of conjuring fire out of thin air isn't exactly reassuring.
 
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@EaterOfBooks I think you're missing the point. You're looking too much at the physical action. The reason it's irrational is because they literally aren't rationalizing, they have thrown away reason. They aren't thinking about what they are doing. There is no deep thought behind their decisions. So the decisions are no longer rational. A decision can still be a 'safe' choice and be made entirely irrationally. Also there is something wrong with going through the safety measures robotically. That is that it gives you a false confidence and can obfuscate the problem by adding in unnecessary information. Like for instance Chris' hormonal balance is going to change form all this stress. But with all their testing and checks they're going to catch that, but could panic from it because they're too sensitive to 'weird things' right now, and they could end up chasing down that fluctuation without thinking. There is also the possibility of her having a negative physical reaction to some of these test too, due to different body make up. It didn't happen, but one of those 'safety precautions' they jumped to without consideration could've caused an allergic reaction in her and killed her.

@darkalpha It looks like they're not addressing any of her basic rights, it doesn't even look like they've given her anything to entertain herself with.
 
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@screamdoom She is just doing her job as she is a regular joe in a sense and is thinking about the country and people. I am sure she had the best intentions in mind, but again the higher ups probably see money when they look at Chris
 
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Yeah no. She isn't being dissected like an animal so not realistic.

You can't interrogate or question a corpse. Well... you can, but you're not going to get anywhere. Dissecting, or if you're recalling Mengele (who did many of his "experiments" to satisfy his own, uh, "personal curiosity") - vivisection, is not useful at all in circumstances like this. We know she's human. We aren't living in the past and have access to MRI machines, x-rays, ect. We can see into the body without even making a scratch. And, even more useful, that person can understand and communicate with us. Chances are you'd cut her open and find absolutely fuckall making her different from humans here on Earth other than having little in the way of catalogued human genetic ancestry and previously-unseen alleles like haplotypes that don't readily correspond with Earth-based ones albeit looking similarly (because genetic diversity would be different since they've developed and spread out differently and were separate from Earth).

Killing her or allowing her to die just so you could go nuts with a scalpel is just idiotic and a waste. Having her co-operation is more valuable and rewarding if you want to learn from her. So no sane government is going to want to hurt her or piss her off too badly, especially governments that aren't authoritarian.
 
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you overestimate the government's humane nature

I'm not basing my argument on humanity, I'm basing it on not doing things counter to your research goals and not stupidly wasting an asset. Besides, do you think spending the rest of your life being poked and prodded in a government lab is all that humane?

No. This has nothing to do with humane treatment or human rights. You just don't simply slice something up if you want to study it, especially if it's a human you can interrogate. Again: you can't interrogate a corpse.
 
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@definitionofinsanity You should base things on reality rather than what is rational to you when it is applied to the real world. That is why I made that previous comment in the first place. Or it was a clearly a nod to Area 51 conspiracy theorists. 😆
 
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You should base things on reality rather than what is rational to you when it is applied to the real world.

I already laid out why what you think would happen is delusional. You don't cut up a scientific specimen you can talk to and interrogate. Your understanding of science is on par with the 19th century, and even then, the dwindling minority of it. We have MRIs and x-rays. Vivisection and/or dissecting is dumb, period.

That is why I made that previous comment in the first place.
...I don't know what the hell you're talking about or referencing.

Or it was a clearly a nod to Area 51 conspiracy theorists.
I, again, don't know what the hell you're talking about. Unless you're also so ignorant of history that you think Mengele has something to do with slicing up aliens. In which case I pity you and see even less reason to pay attention to anything that you have to say.
 
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How old are you to not know what Area 51 is?
Where did I say I didn't? The problem is, this doesn't address the fact that you never said anything about aliens, UFOs, conspiracy theories or Area 51. So, again: I don't know what you're talking about - or why.

I never once mentioned WW2 or nazis either. You are way to serious about comments dude.
I did, in my first reply to you. That being the only thing I could figure you were referencing. Because Mengele was the last well-known "doctor"/"scientist" who had a fascination with scalpels and cutting people open for no reason in the name of "research." (And since what he was doing was along the lines of what you were talking about and there were conspiracies about him, the Nazis, and post-war hiding of Nazis and alleged experiments done - that was the only relevant thing I could think you were talking about.)
 
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"this doesn't address the fact that you never said anything about aliens"
Chris is by all means an alien that is common knowledge right?
"I did, in my first reply to you."
Well like I said, I didn't bring up nazi's. My post was never about that so when you went into paragraph mode I figured you missed my comment. Just like the dude with the loli avatar did but at least you were nice enough to quote me and respond with manners. I think we both misunderstood each other and I think further replies are not necessary.
 
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Oh no... Chris san doesn't deserve to be treated like this.
Damn those bureaucrats
 
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The comments here are exactly what i expected lol, do wonder how the fuck theyre gonna get out of here, will they even leave? The top dogs are probably already thinking of breeding experiments to increase the magic users and consider her their test subject/plaything down to her last hair.
 
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Everybody's concerned with her giving them diseases, why is no one concerned if they have given her a disease?
 
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@Chrona She's in isolation and behind a plastic curtain, only interaction with anyone else is with gloves/masks etc. So I don't Chris will be getting anything from them......unless it's War of the Worlds type thing and just breathing is gonna kill her.
 
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I didn't come here to be read about what would happen in real life, this direction is super depressing.
 

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