Ori no Naka - Ch. 27 - Pitch-Black Dregs

[KCfr149]

Yea we can't fix her. let give up guys

 

[soda_bunny]

Genuine question: Are you unable to infer context and the result from this panel, or are you just lying to try to convince yourself what you wish was true is true? Going by the number of times you've accused me of "downplaying Yumezora's suffering" when all I've actually said is "past suffering explains but doesn't justify hurting other people," I'm inclined to believe it's the latter.

Yumezora chooses to do things that hurt people in order to feel good. Hurting other people to feel good is a bad thing. Choosing to do bad things makes you a bad person. The reason she chooses that is because her past gave her a strange idea of how to feel good.
Yumezora did not choose to have that past. It was forced on her by external circumstances. You can be both a victim and a bad person. If your moral framework can only understand people's lives through the lens of "victim (good), perpetrator (bad)" you have a bad black-and-white moral framework that justifies all kinds of horrible things like my serial killing hobby.

If Yumezora chose to stop this bad behavior, she'd stop being a bad person. "Bad" isn't an innate, immutable quality, it is the sum of the choices you make. I have beat this drum since the start: Yumezora makes bad choices that hurt people and that bad choice is her fault. She prioritizes feeling good with coping mechanisms so strongly that the damage she causes to herself and others with these choices doesn't matter to her. That is a bad thing to do. It is the same reason addiction is bad. She did not choose to develop the addiction. She DID choose to continue feeding it.

Yes, I am aware breaking addictions is hard. Doing good things is generally hard and not pleasant. People need to do them anyway.

You're thinking in black and white, not me. I am only saying Yumezora is NOT A VILLAIN CHARACTER. She is, like every other character in this story, an unfortunate being who is struggling to survive.

And omg shut up about serial killing. Like is that an actual confession??? FYI I have in fact worked with people convicted of murder. They were never going to be allowed in society again, but I cared for them anyway, because I believe we can fix these neurological problems someday. It's important we don't box ourselves in with hat-hanging-style morality and accept things aren't so simple.

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

He..he's going to fix her, right?
....right?

 

[pink_rabbit]

This is getting even worse...Awesome! To anyone liking this, read "Kedamono-tachi no jikan", it's even worse. Anyway, back to this one..I liked the explanation of the abuse and the oxytocin, makes me wary of those with strong kinks, gotta ask first where they got it from >_>

Came back to the thread to say thank you for the recommendation (?). I read it all in two days. I've read worse but its still pretty bad. The Mai-chan doujinshis and the sequels are worse

 

[Hootanic]

ok i bust out laughing at page 17 i dont know why LMAO

Because if you didn't laugh at the absurdity of life and people's casual cruelty to each other, you'd have to cry instead.

Theme song for this chapter btw:

 

[awtystic]

Yea we can't fix her. let give up guys

Even if we can't fix her we should help her poor thing..

 

[dsfargeg]

And omg shut up about serial killing. Like is that an actual confession???

Yes, congratulations, you have successfully figured me out. I am in fact a real-life serial killer who's literally admitting to my multiple victims in a mangadex thread, and not at all using something called a "rhetorical device" known as "reductio ad absurdum" to demonstrate the hideously evil end result of your beliefs. Your towering, overwhelming intellect not only successfully pieced the pieces of the puzzle together to stop my heinous crimes, but also successfully refuted everything I said, and wasn't at all a transparent attempt to evade the point.

This conversation has absolutely nothing to do with you reducing morality to "whoever's got the most trauma points wins the right to abuse others freely" which is clearly a righteous and healthy worldview which you defended with brilliant counterarguments instead of goalpost shifting and empty posturing.

No sir, this has zero to do with the fact you have demonstrated you don't care about fixing or preventing harm and instead care about being seen as "the most special lovingest person" no matter how many people get hurt because all those people are acceptable sacrifices for your own selfish social jockeying.

It's actually all about the fact you successfully figured out I'm an evil remorseless serial killer. But that's okay, I got beat really hard growing up, so that makes killing people for fun morally acceptable. I have the most trauma points so it's completely fine and not at all the logical conclusion of a disgusting way to go through life.

 

[KatzenoYuri]

Hmm, I don't know. While it has a lot of thematic overlap, just like basically all female-oriented stories of true love the male characters are undercharacterized and simply spring out of the ether fully-formed to enable focus on the female lead. Rather than being their own rational actors with meaningful and believable beliefs shaped by a coherent story, he's what the story needs him to be for the female lead to fulfill the author's desire for an arc. It's way too focused on female "I can fix him" fantasies of what things "should" be like and reduces the males a cardboard props. What makes Ori no Naka special is that it doesn't do that for anyone; it understand what makes every character act that way and how they got there. It's a psychological examination of how people act and why. It's a meaningful layer of depth that most stories can't pull off because it requires an exceptionally knowledgeable and talented author.

I'm not calling it bad, I just want the people who look it up to know that they're not getting something special like Ori no Naka, just something with thematic similarities. I'm still going to read the manga and enjoy it, but for different reasons than this one.

I didn't say it was great or anything, I just like seeing characters getting fucked over and over and how that messes up their brains and all that good stuff. You went much deeper, I just read these things for fun, the guy/dog/kid thing was very interesting from a psychological way, I gotta say. I just mentioned that title cos it's got people with issues, that's all.

 

[Chris-From-MrBeast]

Fs in chat for @danbellucci
jannies got mad

 

[Eighty-six]

Fs in chat for @danbellucci
jannies got mad

that "Banned" label is just a thing he has

he's um, as the kids say, "like that"

 

[EchoGirl]

He..he's going to fix her, right?
....right?

Who will fix him tho? they're making each other worse 8D;

jannies got mad

I think that's what happens when you get too many 'strike' reactions, he's not actually banned from posting

 

[soda_bunny]

Yes, congratulations, you have successfully figured me out. I am in fact a real-life serial killer who's literally admitting to my multiple victims in a mangadex thread, and not at all using something called a "rhetorical device" known as "reductio ad absurdum" to demonstrate the hideously evil end result of your beliefs. Your towering, overwhelming intellect not only successfully pieced the pieces of the puzzle together to stop my heinous crimes, but also successfully refuted everything I said, and wasn't at all a transparent attempt to evade the point.

This conversation has absolutely nothing to do with you reducing morality to "whoever's got the most trauma points wins the right to abuse others freely" which is clearly a righteous and healthy worldview which you defended with brilliant counterarguments instead of goalpost shifting and empty posturing.

No sir, this has zero to do with the fact you have demonstrated you don't care about fixing or preventing harm and instead care about being seen as "the most special lovingest person" no matter how many people get hurt because all those people are acceptable sacrifices for your own selfish social jockeying.

It's actually all about the fact you successfully figured out I'm an evil remorseless serial killer. But that's okay, I got beat really hard growing up, so that makes killing people for fun morally acceptable. I have the most trauma points so it's completely fine and not at all the logical conclusion of a disgusting way to go through life.

You spent a lot of words explaining you've just been arguing with yourself this whole time!
Literally my whole point is people CAN CHANGE, I do it professionally!! I take issue with people saying vile things like, "can't be fixed, run away lol".

 

[RoronoaDSanji]

This is messed up and that's why I like it

 

[HentaiSpy]

I would even go one step further here.
She's not trauma-bonding in the typical sense, this is an addiction, in the literal chemical sense.
Kuroko is explicitly unable to form any bonds because, in all her childhood, she never learned what love was. We are explicitly told as much this chapter.
This is why the author has put so much emphasis on the chemical reactions in her brain, because that's literally it.

What she discovered amidst all her abuse, was one situation in particular (near-death followed by immediate relief) that produced certain chemicals in her brain that lead to the sensation of happiness. Not actual happiness. Of course, we can argue what is happiness if not brain chemicals, but what I'm trying to get at is that her happiness is entirely devoid of any social aspect, it's 100% brain chemistry-related. Body feels certain physical sensation > releases happy chemical.

What she is seeking are happy chemicals. Not love, not a connection. She doesn't know what those are and thus can't seek them. She created this cognitive distortion of what love is (putting herself in harms way) due to messed up brain chemistry (if I feel happy with this situation then it must be love).

This also explains why she has gotten worse and worse, as her tolerance to dopamine rises with increasing risks and the happy chemicals stop being as effective.

This is why I wrote in my comment that this is quite literally her body consuming her. Her body is physically craving these sensations for nothing more than to satisfy the chemical reward mechanisms it created through years of abuse. But at the same time is destroying her from within because it's putting her life at risk more and more, and she is unable to stop it because it's entirely irrational yet ever-present nonetheless.

I really think this is a very interesting approach to hyper sexuality in abuse victims that is not often explored in such isolation. Usually such situations have a big social aspect to them. Victims seeking self-worth, validation, comfort or victims stuck in a loop as coping mechanism to escape the reality of their trauma, among other social elements. Basically people that used to have some semblance of a life and then were thrown into abusive relationships. But Kuroko's case is one almost entirely devoid of that, and I genuinely wasn't expecting the author to explore it to such depressing depths. Like her situation is extremely messed up even in the realm of sexual abuse.

Obviously the creation of the reward loop she has is in itself a coping mechanism, but what I mean is that it's an entirely chemical one, not the result of some flawed rationalization. She wants her body to feel pain to release chemicals, nothing else. We are literally told she is rational and knows all her decisions are wrong, that she hates violence, etc.

The more you dwell on her situation, the more painful and depressing it gets.

If you'd told me at the start that the crazy period pad sniffing manga would have interesting takes on sexual abuse I would have laughed at you, but here we are. I'm glad I stuck with translating this manga, despite most of the comment section making me want to quit.

Quite a lot of folks see something aggravating and just post something without thought tend to be high in manga/anime comment sections. They probably feel its like at the level as some shonen with no real thought behind it (even though most shounen arent that badly thought out) and turn off their media literacy.

At first I thought this was some extremist shock manga with a passion fetish for pad blood with the shocking content really up my alley. After pushing through one of the most uncomfortable pieces of media I've ever read that actually does something with its very terrible subject matter and does something more than utter misery porn. "here have this 16-year old, in this book minors are fucking because reasons isnt that deep and shocking?!" This actually takes the time to show its horror in every single pixel, the thinking, the dynamic, the rancid terror with more than a lazy "doesnt the real world... just kinda suck?"

Anyway highschool forced book reading of material that really shouldn't have been given too kids (pretty sure the highschool book author was a pedo) aside, you did a great job translating this fantastic manga and dont let the people who survived their own abortion grind you down

 

[ultrabread]

imho this should've burnt slower, the horror theme would've set in so much better as a result. flipping it around to drop some subtle hints, then you get blindsided by the obvious a few times. Gomi getting subtle hints of this past, seeing him sorta breakdown in paranoia on it, then the old guy comes in an attempt to show Yumezora's real nature by basically helping paint half the picture that she was a junior idol then when confronted she reveals that she was a child prostitute. But since Gomi is literally a saint he probably shrugs and goes on.

I do hope we spend a bit of time watching how the old guy from the last chapter became a creep. While its always great to watch the massive trainwrecks, pile ups and crashes; a much greater horror is that of the common failures. This guy who pretty much failed every single event and QTE in his life resulting in becoming an actual bottom feeder creature by necessity.

 

[GG334]

HEY WHERE'S THE NEXT CHAPTER FUCKHEAD?

 

[superlucci]

1) Why would she expect Gomi to tell the truth rather than say what he wants to get what he wants?
2) Why do you assume she's acting rationally and not emotionally?

She expects to be abandoned, she associations being abandoned with dying, therefore she takes the action that would most immediately relieve that pain. That the action results in death isn't, to the emotional part of the brain, an actual downgrade. She feels death breathing down her neck anyway because abandonment IS death, why not go out on her own terms?

Yes, she's not actually in danger of dying because of Gomi rejecting her, but Pavlov's dogs weren't salivating for food, they were salivating for the bell.

1. Why would she care if Gomi is just using her for his wants when thats literally the arrangement she wanted to begin with? Its Gomi who wanted love. Its Yumezora who wanted friends with benefits.
2. Got me there.

I get that she doesnt want to be abandoned. Its just she hasnt seen any new reaction from Gomi to think hes pulling a fast one. Its just the same old Gomi shes seen all this time

 

[ballcrusher69]

bitch this chicken is cold

 

[Silbo]

I wanna meet a cute severely mentally ill woman so bad...