Osake to Senpai Kanojo to no Amaama Doukyo Lovecome wa Nijuusai ni Natte kara

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Good 👌🏻

 

[nicepostinguwu]

wife

 

[Lordmoral]

MC hand was in heaven, at least he didn't panick and took the hand away from it. At least the MC friend is aware of the situation but they should just buy the rubber already.

 

[Monn12]

Are you 12 or never dated anyone in your life?

Consider this also (about the reference that some or most readers didn't touch a woman) - Many people might actually be 12.
As 30+ something i sometimes forget and engage with people as if they are adults and only after a whole poem i have this intrusive thought that maybe i'm talking to a child and in many cases i actually speak to a child whose only response is "Get bent" or "Didn't read it "insert something bad""

 

[TheLastMinister]

Consider this also (about the reference that some or most readers didn't touch a woman) - Many people might actually be 12.
As 30+ something i sometimes forget and engage with people as if they are adults and only after a whole poem i have this intrusive thought that maybe i'm talking to a child and in many cases i actually speak to a child whose only response is "Get bent" or "Didn't read it "insert something bad""

Look at it this way - you're respecting them and treating them as equals.

Maybe something will stick with them. I fear for this generation and the massive increase in the hateful incel crowd.

NOTE: in case it was unclear, virginal status is irrelevant for this definition of "incel".

 

[Monn12]

Look at it this way - you're respecting them and treating them as equals.

Maybe something will stick with them. I fear for this generation and the massive increase in the hateful incel crowd.

NOTE: in case it was unclear, virginal status is irrelevant for this definition of "incel".

You are right and your fears are actually well founded.
As for incel? It's hard to describe i've read it meant involuntary celibate but that's furthest from what people use it for.
I've been called an incel for speaking facts/anecdotes and science paper results. It's like you must butt lick one gender and when you speak about something against it you automatically categorized by those words like misogynist/sexist/incel.

For example many "incel" want to have women with less body counts, for example having 10 when you are 20y old is quite high in my opinion. It was even proven empirically that it is bad and also based on common sense of how our memory works it's bad.
Most say incels want virgins, but in my internet experience i've seen 1(2) guy claiming that whilst 9(8) other not claiming that but still are being called incels for having preference for someone who didn't sleep around much. (By the way those papers state it affects both genders, it just affects males on a bit smaller scale, as for memory? It's universal for both genders)

And to return to your first 2 sentences. Hateful "incel/redpill" rhetoric will continue to grow if we don't find a practical way to pacify the conflict. Currently there is imbalance in law, social rules, female vs male population(more guys) and even income inequality skewed towards women who are pre-child phase.
Those problems aren't being resolved and we have too many of them which creates large cohorts of men who had negative experience. It's enough for one black guy to mug you to make you a racist and with the same analogy it's enough for one woman to hurt you in order for you to become a misogynist. Hell, it's even enough for some minorities to hate majority for a simple administrative mistake, they start to assume that it happened because they are XYZ and it's a reason enough to start breeding the idea of hate towards someone.

Usually you need more offences against you but in some cases it's enough even one time. For example women cheat more than guys until ages 30-35 (depends on country). And the guy who was cheated on has a problem with mate selection so he always finds same kind of women who cheat on him after 2nd or 3rd time he will either acquire Zen state of mind or more likely come to hate women.
Actually you might find it interesting maybe but there are as many misogynist as misandrists (those who hate men). And guess what? For the same freaking reasons.

 

[ryzvyk]

Absolutely trash and mc is insufferable. You are 20 years old and it's your legit gf grow a damn pair and be responsible towards her wishes.

Writers cater too much to spineless wimpy men who can't do jackshit

so far the majority of romance mcs are just self inserts that's probably why most of them are wimps

 

[Veezer]

The manga is great, but there's one problem: the author doesn't really specify their relationship. For example, when their first kiss happens, the protagonist says it's his first kiss, but doesn't say or mention that it was her first kiss too. I found it a bit strange.
If the two shared their first kiss together, it would have been great to see, the author missed the opportunity...

 

[izra709]

Having skimmed through the WN, I have to say this is just frustrating trash

Spoiler

Even by the end they have not gone all the way. She eventually even teases him in bed but nothing really progresses past kissing.

Chapter 4 of the manga is up to chapter 23 of the 50 chapter WN

 

[youdontmatter308]

We live in a weird time where being balless wimp is consider wholesome.
I dislike but understand when MMC's or FMC's don't progress but let's just say author doesn't create situations for the "mood" but when something happens they do it normally - i.e. you get the feeling they were ready just didn't have an appropriate time.
It's still bad but not as bad as seeing boys being completely balless during the peak time for hormonal spikes and rash decisions.

I'm a guy who hates cheating to the core but even I, if I were a japanese woman would cuck men like that. NTR? Hate it but recently don't give a damn if MC's are like that. Japanese manga authors, publishers and readers are cucking their way out of genetic tree.

It’s a reason the population is decreasing. Art imitates life, that’s why most romance Mc’s are cowards who get flustered easy and don’t know how to speak with women. If authors don’t know anything about adult romances they should just drop it

 

[TheTigerDropper]

if you want some good writing in romance go read fragrant flower or toradora or plastic memories just let us enjoy a wholesome romance manga

 

[Solrikt]

Lol, this manga is ass. The ONLY character development was the FMC getting over her daddy issues. Thats it. No explanation of the origin of their relationship nor do we get any insight into MMC's insecurities. This is a giant waste of time. I still know next to nothing about any character at all and im expected to care about the daddy issues thing? There is more blueballing than actual character development

Edit: omg, ok so this is how much this manga bothers me. I slept on it, and I still have more to say.

Based off the manga alone, the relationship is pretty toxic. They are both “obsessed” with one another, but we don’t know why and they struggle to push forward without the aid of alcohol. Throughout the manga, I can’t help but think that the FMC uses alcohol as a coping mechanism to deal with her insecurities and the MMC on a couple of occasions, enables the behavior. He even suggests to drink in the middle of the day so they could “cuddle.”

Furthermore, the extreme amount of teasing is not cute, if anything, it makes her seem disingenuous and I truly don’t know what she wants.

The author writes the MMC struggling with his desires as though it is some war of attrition that if he loses control, he’s going to rape her or something. Just be fucking normal, that goes for both of them.

Also, last point, the puritan bullshit is not wholesome or cute, it’s annoying. It teaches the wrong lessons and forces unnecessary burden and way too much importance on the actual act. I get wanting to treasure the moment or whatever, but it’s going to be an awkward, off putting moment if you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing. Use a fucking condom, get on the pill, something. Rarely does the first time ever go as smoothly as stories make it out to be, especially if neither party has ever fucked before. Don’t make me sit here and wonder if you (the author) have ever felt the touch of a woman before.

Ok, rant over.