【Oshi no Ko】 - Vol. 16 Ch. 166.5 - Volume 16 Extras

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She will find his next reincarnation to marry and maybe lock in her basement. So the sequel is oneexshota and then Ruby might show up too.
Jokes aside, people have already come up with a ton of ideas for this just to escape the disappointing ending. Up to options where Akane resets time and at the last moment dies herself instead of Aqua to give him a metaphorical blow to the forehead and show how delusional his actions are. But on a more serious note, a sequel/spin-off manga with the original ending could be a great idea.
 
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She will find his next reincarnation to marry and maybe lock in her basement. So the sequel is oneexshota and then Ruby might show up too.
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I didn't really like that Aqua has to die, but with the epilogue, I kinda able to accept it more...

Without Aqua's death,I doubt Kana would be this successful if Aqua is still around. More likely situation is she'll just stay successful in national level for a little long while, then marry Aqua and fade away, being just another great actor of the time past.
Without Aqua's death, the industry would probably stays the same, Ichigo Pro wouldn't push for a new standard like that.
Without Aqua death, Melt would have been a good actor, but might not be as successful; being outshine by Aqua and whatnot.
Without Aqua's death, Akane wouldn't have spiraled into this state - this one is truly unfortunate.

If he had lived, the industry might continue to be flawed, but everyone would be a lot happier. He might find happiness and what to live for someday. Even though there's some good thing in it, it sucks for everyone that things turned out like this- that's for sure. Aqua's decision is far from perfect, arguably dumb - no doubt.
But it's only human.
That's how human are. We aren't perfect and just do things we think its the best we can see. And then life goes on. Everyone has to handle all the goods and the bads in their own ways. Some copes well, some don't. And considering the man himself at the time didn't have any other life goal, he might still chose suicide even if he know everything will turn out like this anyway, who knows?

Maybe its because I'm old now that I find the sunshine & rainbows ending bland sometime. I still love it every now and then, don't get me wrong; but a portrayal of very real, unperfect world like this is very cathartic to me.

And as a last note, in a story about show biz themed around revenge like this, between a happy ending where everyone lives a happy life but faded out of the industry as just another 'great' figure of their time, and a tragic ending where everyone becomes a 'legend' in one way or another like this, I find the latter very fitting end for the whole a lot more.
 
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Ugh, was it too much to ask for an eiplogue where the crow loli god gives Ruby the chance to say goodbye to Aqua?
Given the title of the chapter, people hoped that the extras would reveal some new information that would make the ending at least happier, etc. But in the end we just got an extended final chapter and that's it.
 
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I didn't really like that Aqua has to die, but with the epilogue, I kinda able to accept it more...

Without Aqua's death,I doubt Kana would be this successful if Aqua is still around. More likely situation is she'll just stay successful in national level for a little long while, then marry Aqua and fade away, being just another great actor of the time past.
Without Aqua's death, the industry would probably stays the same, Ichigo Pro wouldn't push for a new standard like that.
Without Aqua death, Melt would have been a good actor, but might not be as successful; being outshine by Aqua and whatnot.
Without Aqua's death, Akane wouldn't have spiraled into this state - this one is truly unfortunate.

If he had lived, the industry might continue to be flawed, but everyone would be a lot happier. He might find happiness and what to live for someday. Even though there's some good thing in it, it sucks for everyone that things turned out like this- that's for sure. Aqua's decision is far from perfect, arguably dumb - no doubt.
But it's only human.
That's how human are. We aren't perfect and just do things we think its the best we can see. And then life goes on. Everyone has to handle all the goods and the bads in their own ways. Some copes well, some don't. And considering the man himself at the time didn't have any other life goal, he might still chose suicide even if he know everything will turn out like this anyway, who knows?

Maybe its because I'm old now that I find the sunshine & rainbows ending bland sometime. I still love it every now and then, don't get me wrong; but a portrayal of very real, unperfect world like this is very cathartic to me.

And as a last note, in a story about show biz themed around revenge like this, between a happy ending where everyone lives a happy life but faded out of the industry as just another 'great' figure of their time, and a tragic ending where everyone becomes a 'legend' in one way or another like this, I find the latter very fitting end for the whole a lot more.
Dude, in this context it turns into a literal justification for suicide on the level of "they would all really be better off without me." This is a very bad implication for obvious reasons. I completely understand this kind of copium and the desire to cope with the consequences of a shitty ending, but it's precisely because of things like this that the romanticization of suicide in the final chapters is so dangerous. Because suicide is really starting to look like a reasonable way out of problems. And yes, Aka does not agree and at least on this I agree with him. Before the release of the final volume, the whole company was determined that it was Aqua, the living Aqua, who pushed the characters to solve their problems. Oddly enough, he did not draw any conclusions from similar problems he himself had.
 
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thanks for the TL, as always, you guys are the best!

p.s. did someone added "gore" tag after the ending?
 
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Dude, in this context it turns into a literal justification for suicide on the level of "they would all really be better off without me." This is a very bad implication for obvious reasons. I completely understand this kind of copium and the desire to cope with the consequences of a shitty ending, but it's precisely because of things like this that the romanticization of suicide in the final chapters is so dangerous. Because suicide is really starting to look like a reasonable way out of problems. And yes, Aka does not agree and at least on this I agree with him. Before the release of the final volume, the whole company was determined that it was Aqua, the living Aqua, who pushed the characters to solve their problems. Oddly enough, he did not draw any conclusions from similar problems he himself had.
IDK, I didn't think that deep about the implication. I just feel that, in a story about industry and society that suicide is too common, is this how things can play out, and the answer was it is. And just purely on storytelling perspective, I think it is fitting for the setting and theme. That's all I thouht of writing that comment.

I can't deny suicide is bad; but it is something that can happen. Am I too neutral about the subject?
 
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God dammit, Akasaka Aka, I'll never forgive you! 💢💢💢

My headcanon now is that Taiki, as the only older brother, will end up with Ruby. She ends up pregnant, and Akane uses her new necromancy powers to bring Aqua back to life in the form of the lil incest baby!

In which case, would Kana end up with shota Aqua, or would it be Akane? Or was this a Kana x Akane story from the start?

🤔🤔🤔
 
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So will Akane successfully learn how to be a medium, then summon Aqua's ghost and try have ghost sex with him? Will Aqua's ghost go to Kana's place to fuck her while Akane's watching? Will Ruby find out and rape Aqua's ghost? Can they get pregnant? Will their child be human or ghost? Will Ruby's child be retarded?
 
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IDK, I didn't think that deep about the implication. I just feel that, in a story about industry and society that suicide is too common, is this how things can play out, and the answer was it is. And just purely on storytelling perspective, I think it is fitting for the setting and theme. That's all I thouht of writing that comment.

I can't deny suicide is bad; but it is something that can happen. Am I too neutral about the subject?
There is no need to think particularly “deeply” here. This is literally the embodiment of “they will all be better off without me” and other suicidal experiences when a person feels like a problem that prevents others from living. In terms of storytelling and developments, I think just because there are topics like these in the industry doesn't mean they'll be relevant. It's like saying that the ending where Freeren is killed by a random arrow during a fight is completely appropriate, because in the Middle Ages you constantly saw people killed at the wrong moment by a random arrow.

Oshi no Ko, on the contrary, strived, seemingly outwardly, to be and be perceived by people as an inspiring story about second chances and overcoming the dark aspects of show business. Especially considering how the characters developed and the problems they faced. An ending in the style of Fincher or Tarantino not only cynically destroys this and drives people into depression instead of any motivation, but also clearly greatly shifts the emphasis and vibe of this work. You can even test this for yourself by trying to read old arcs after this ending.
 
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God dammit, Akasaka Aka, I'll never forgive you! 💢💢💢

My headcanon now is that Taiki, as the only older brother, will end up with Ruby. She ends up pregnant, and Akane uses her new necromancy powers to bring Aqua back to life in the form of the lil incest baby!

In which case, would Kana end up with shota Aqua, or would it be Akane? Or was this a Kana x Akane story from the start?

🤔🤔🤔
Considering how romance has played out in the story so far, it looked like Kana x Aqua. But in the end Aka just threw all the romance into the trash bin and we basically see LN trying to make everything into very weird Aqua x Akane. A lot of people expected LN to be a yuri bait, but it's mostly about how Kana moves on, becoming a work-wedded person with no love life, while Akane actually becomes a more significant female character even than Ruby. It's like all this time Aka secretly disliked Kana and wanted to make his avatar Akane the true heroine.
 
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Still think Tsukuyomi should've revived Aqua again in a new child's body and had a timeskip reunion chapter with a Ruby in her mid 20s. Besides the obvious benefit of not ending with everyone being punished for Aqua's insanely selfish and childish actions where he learns NOTHING about valuing the people he cares about, it would also provide the opportunity to actually explain what Tsukuyomi's deal was, another one of Aka's infamous loose ends.
 
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Honestly it takes a good amount of effort to make the end of Love is War look good and well wrapped up so I guess OnK has that going for it.

With this extra material I'm convinced like half the characters in this series are just going to go on living soulless empty lives constantly thinking about Aqua. If this wasn't the fucking end of the manga it would almost be kind of interesting to see these people turn their lives around (not that it excuses how awful him killing himself is), but these last few pages just seem to reinforce how retarded martyring himself was and how much more damage it's causing. Nice that his own suicide made his step brother suicidal, that and adding on even more to Akane's suffering. Seeing all these characters get boiled down to one panel recovery arcs in the last two chapters is so fun and neat after seeing their personal struggles develop in detail over the past few years.

Kind of funny how I was looking forward to season 3 a few months ago, weird how it only takes a few chapters and a shit ending to kill any love I have for this series.
 
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There is no need to think particularly “deeply” here. This is literally the embodiment of “they will all be better off without me” and other suicidal experiences when a person feels like a problem that prevents others from living. In terms of storytelling and developments, I think just because there are topics like these in the industry doesn't mean they'll be relevant. It's like saying that the ending where Freeren is killed by a random arrow during a fight is completely appropriate, because in the Middle Ages you constantly saw people killed at the wrong moment by a random arrow.

Oshi no Ko, on the contrary, strived, seemingly outwardly, to be and be perceived by people as an inspiring story about second chances and overcoming the dark aspects of show business. Especially considering how the characters developed and the problems they faced. An ending in the style of Fincher or Tarantino not only cynically destroys this and drives people into depression instead of any motivation, but also clearly greatly shifts the emphasis and vibe of this work. You can even test this for yourself by trying to read old arcs after this ending.
Valid points. I might even have to look back at myself how come I'm being so jaded with the topic.
 
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ah... yes... COPIUM EXTRA chapter for the fans... :dogkek: :dogkek: :dogkek:
It looks like Aka really realized that he screwed up and is now trying hard to justify things. I mean, we basically got another chapter 166, only this time with a very clumsily elevated level of optimism, flimsy attempts to explain it in terms of lore, and even something of a step towards the fans, where he admits that what Aqua did was wrong. But for the reasons I mentioned, it doesn't work, only leaving fans even more empty and disappointed. Just notice that Aqua's name is only mentioned once in the background, and Ruby is only depicted as a metaphorical Ai on one page.

Remember initially the entire marketing gimmick was that Oshi no Ko will "dEcOnStRuCt", "cRiTiQuE" and other buzzwords against the idol industry? LOL.

The whole shit was fillers upon fillers, and an ad for Japanese entertainment by Japan Tourism.
Lol, I still remember when the whole manga was promoted as an optimistic story about characters looking for a way out of the darkness towards the light and only the official songs could leave you with an aftertaste of darker things. This is probably the only story in my memory where the idea of reincarnation ends in death again.

And the funny thing is, just think back to Akane's original arc, her messages, and how people reacted to the suicide theme in the arc. Everyone thought this was a typical criticism of cyberbullying and suicide, being puzzled when the media used a suicide disclaimer or when Aka was accused of exploiting someone else's tragedy for the sake of it. And now the manga ends with literally romanticizing suicide as a way to solve problems, lmao.
 
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