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That's a really stupid plan because the step after getting rid of the nobility is the royal family becoming obselete and getting removed.
Otomege Sekai wa Mob ni Kibishii Sekai desu - Vol. 13 Ch. 64 - Reality of the Kingdom
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It is convoluted because remember: This is a Otome Game setting, the entire history of that universe is contrived and convoluted because the universe has to twist and turn itself into a pretzel to end up fitting the genre and the situations you encounter in-game.
It's like novel isekais where the protag often end up confronted with the fact that crazy shit had to happen for the setting they read about in the novel to form.
Raw appears to be 女性偏思に傾く (偏思 might be a typo, I'd expect 偏見, but I'm also not native jp so take it with a grain of salt) which would be a bias (positive discrimination) towards women.
No, the Japanese dialogue does focus on the positive bias towards Women.
So, the dialogue translation should be either "Discrimination by Women" of "Favourable Bias towards Women".
As for Mylene, she did have some idea on the Favourable Bias towards Women in the Kingdoms mid & lower noble classes.
But what she didn't know was how badly the Women acted and interacted themselves, especially in the Academy.
She is the ruler of her people (even if as a lowly noble), so she can't really kill herself (plus she wouldn't do that after what Marie did for her).
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Sorry if my comment ends up repeating what others have said in response to yours, but yeah, this chapter is pretty badly phrased. I really can't blame the translator either because this chapter is pretty much just one big exposition dump and would be challenging for even the most fluent translator, and the queen seems like she's rushing through the explanation because she thinks Leon is completely comprehending the deeper meanings behind each part of the plan and how it has unfolded.
Some of this is directly said here or in past chapters, but some of this is my speculation so take it with a grain of salt.
From what I've understood, the original political landscape was that the world was a kind of free for all where relatively strong adventurers would claim floating islands, establish themselves as feudal lords, quickly amass a small army because of how cheap and easy it is to use floating crystals from the islands to make airships, conquer other lords to amass even more power, and finally they'd attack the kingdom, the biggest feudal family of the time. They were always defeated thanks to the royal ship, but they always cost the kingdom significant casualties and resources. So it's pretty much exactly what just happened with the principality.
Because of the misogyny of the time, these households were primarily run by men, both in terms of military command and training and in financial terms. The kingdom's royal family wanted to both prevent these attacks that could come from anywhere AND slowly erode at the feudal lords' power until they could consolidate all the power within the capital. Training commoners won't be to give commoners power but just managerial positions in a centralized government where the royal family holds all the actual power. With a centralized government, warlords can't build an army and conquer neighboring lords to amass an even bigger army before attacking the kingdom because there would be no other feudal lords to conquer.
Simply enacting policies that transferred power from the men in these families to the women wouldn't do anything, they could just as easily train the women to be military and financial leaders instead. Even if physiological differences had an effect, it's pretty minimal in a world were there's abundant magic and cheap, mass producible airships, and the royal family knows this. The REAL crux of the plan was to simultaneously create the centralized academy in the kingdom's capital, and by playing to the feudal lords' egos and need to be seen as legitimate nobility, lure them into sending their female children to the prestigious academy thinking they were going to get married to powerful men and form powerful blood ties only to be brainwashed into living a life of indulgence and hedonism where they spent all of their money on fashion and parties because all of the women already living in the kingdom were living like that. When in Rome, do as the romans do. Any children they sent, male or female, also saw no point in attacking the kingdom directly because they can see firsthand how powerful the royal family is whenever a warlord attacks and gets wiped out by the royal ship. It got out of control tho and turned into legitimate misandry and the popularization of male sex slaves, but the plan effectively stopped most lords from attacking by draining their funds so the problems were ignored.
The same thing probably would have worked if they encouraged hedonism among the male children of the feudal lords coming to the academy, but it was faster to enact because of the dwindling number of male successors from the constant fighting and because those male successors were still ambitious and would be harder to peer pressure into spending their time and money that way. They may be deterred from directly attacking the kingdom, but they would still try to gain political and financial power inside the kingdom. The most powerful families caught on quick and raised their daughters to not fall into the trap, but the abundant smaller feudal households didn't have the same insight or information networks.
In short, it's not that the royal family thinks the feudal families are weaker being run by women, it's that they created a culture of caution of their military might and hedonism fueled spending that leeched away the feudal families' funds, and women lacking training from their families were an easy target.
It still makes no sense tho because feudal lord's aren't just going to go belly up for the kingdom's policies that favor women and hand over control of the family finances to their daughters. Especially if they're misogynistic at the start of this plan, they would have no problem disowning their daughters when they start wastefully spending their family money.
More accurately, the theme of the Series is Women held Social power in the Lower & Middle Noble classes.
Society is always divided into class even within poor classes and noble classes, and each class is like it's own world.
If you ignore the Commoner class and the High Ranking Noble class who rule the Kingdom.
The Kingdom is practically empowers Women in the Social aspect.
As for the Men in power plot, it was always supposed to be like that since start, because that's how the setting of the story was meant to be.
I mean we had known how it was the King who ruled the Kingdom, and how popular the Prince & his group was, and the titbits of info regarding the foundation of the Kingdom.
If Women were really in power, then the Kingdom would have been ruled by the Queen and all the Prince and high class Noble men wouldn't have had happened.
Like MC always mentioned in the story, the World system was messed up with it's imbalance.
Different situations give rise to different scenarios.
The reason why the Noble Men didn't react much was because it was a slow process, planned over multiple generations (as the Centralization plan was a long-term one). Slow systems like these are like slow poisoning which people don't really find out immediately but by the time they do, they can't do anything in return.
The primary target of this system were the Lower & Middle class Nobles who mostly controlled and lived in the Border regions of the Kingdom, as it was one of them who had revolted in the past and created their own nation by taking over a portion of the Kingdom by force.
The system didn't effect the Commoner class, as they were ignored and weren't really important for the power system of the Kingdom (they are just workforce, who lived their lives normally away from the Noble classes).
Same with the merchant class, as the increase in Lower & Middle Class Noble Women social power gave rise to excessive spending by those said Nobles, increasing the Revenue of the merchant which is what they are after.
Similarly it didn't affect the Higher class Nobles as well, because they understood that something was going on in the background, and decided to keep low and build their power (these Noble houses were also the type which held more patriotism towards the Kingdom, so they wouldn't really betray it easily, unlike the Border Nobles).
And the generations of noble who grew within the system were so used to it that they didn't have time to focus on standing for themselves. But that also decreased the patriotism factor in them.
Just take the example of Subscription based models for many services that we use nowadays.
When they were first released, people were happy that it was cheaper and more customizable and consumer friendly than standard Purchase system, and they would get heavy benefits from it.
But now we see how the companies are basically using the System to make us buy a product at full price which we can't even own permanently. And they are increasing the price so much that it's even costlier than what price we used to pay before for non-subscription stuff.
And while some people are complaining, majority are so used to the model that they don't even bother with it and just go along mindlessly.
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Have you seen the west today. This is pretty much reality for a large part of society. More than enough to cause revolution and yet its not happened.
You're missing an important detail: it was stated multiple times that the expectation to marry a "high class woman" (i.e. a spoiled, controlling witch) was only laid upon the aristocracy and even then, only from baron rank and up. The whole affair does not concern commoners or the lesser gentry, they can marry anyone they want and it was also said that the "lower class" women were reasonable, as they didn't get such privilege over men.
A few chapters back, Leon himself explained why the country still stands and why no one would thank him for staging a coup and changing the system: the majority of the citizens do not experience the negative sides of this arrangement. In fact, they benefit from it since so much burden is placed on the higher nobles, which would otherwise fall onto them.
A) A revolution like the French one doesn't really happen under feudalism. At least not on a national scale. It's one of the perks of having regional lords, on which any grievancesof the local population falls. I recall that, in the novel Leon even mentioned that as ironic in his thougts, when hearing Mylene's explanation - the royal family wanted to get rid of feudal lords and consolidate all power in themselves, like an absolute monarchy - this however meant they would sooner or later end up like the French royals.
B) Merchats are commoners, as explained above, they do not feel the sting of this system.
C) This isn't the modern world. If you look at history, under feudalism it was very hard for most to even move to a different town/city, since permission from both their current and future lieges would be required. Emigrating to a different kingdom was all but unheard of.
D) And it does but again, only for the higher aristocracy's heirs. Recall how Leons noble buddies act and think - they're just going through the motions that their society expects from them. None have any motivation and that is by design - the point is to kill any remaining ambition in the next generation of feudal lords. The royals have deemed it too dangerous.
Well it doesn't apply to High rank nobles like the duke and one rank down if I recall correctly
Also with feudalism it's wasn't so rare for noble of a same country to war each others because they were in different faction
As for the French revolution.. they would first need to introduce bourgeoisie (which are rich commoners) to be able to coordinate the commoners otherwise the commoners have no reason to rebel (since as you've said they're pretty well treated)
For me the plan is genius, you let people take control of the middle class which is the most prolific, you concentrate them in the capital which naturally let the riches flows to you and you just let them eat themselves, since the commoners (which are the most numerous) and the high rank nobles (which are the most important to handle things) aren't affected
The only problem with that plan is that the royalty overplayed their hand since they thought they would always have access to the royal ship which would make short works of any wannabe rebels and didn't take into account the possibility of a noble getting his hand on more power than them
(which is quite an oversight when your an 'adventurer' country) but then again this can be imputed to the limitation of the one in charge at that moment (although the king seems to be well aware of leon lineage (slight spoiler(the bartfalt descend from a very accomplished adventurer that ended up betrayed by his companions, since then they prefer to lay low, (that information is only passed to the heir of the family too so leon doesn't know it ) )
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Something isn't right here. Other people are saying that giving women power only affected the lower-rank nobles negatively, while you claim that it only affected the higher-ranking members of the aristocracy. Both things can't be true at the same time.
A misnomer perhaps. By "high rank" they probably mean the duke, prince and king. What I meant was from baron up to count (palace nobles are an unknown). They are high rank, since they must attend the "advanced class" and by my reconing the low rank nobles are the baronets and knights, which we know are exempt from all the headache.
I honestly don't see how the royals could have placed their faith in the ship. Nevermind that it's a gimmick, as far as we know it hasn't been operational since the founding of the country. It makes more sense that they counted on the highest ranks (like the duke and marquis) to provide military support in a pinch and it might have been enough against a enemy regular army. The real problem is, most of the feudal lords were all too willing to join up with the enemy and would have probably fought against the kingdom, if given the chance. That would have been fatal, given the forces they still had. It's what makes all this a hair brained plan. It would have had far more chances of success, if they executed it in reverse - first begin elevating the commoners, like Olivia, and attempt building an army based on them. Then start weaking the landed lords, delaying the total loss of their support.
Bias would make more sense in context
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My gratitude to Mylene Scans for this and the previous chapter.
And in the latter of these two chapters, lots of Mylene herself--very gratifying. That said, I'm inclined to agree with many here about Julius: there are people who aren't good for much other than making good/likable people suffer pain, indignity, or both; here, Mylene has to abase herself to get Julius out of a bind (surely, because she's the queen prostrating herself before a viscount for his favor). I still wonder just how easily he could have avoided whatever predicament he's in by simply closing his mouth and not letting folly drag him across the world in search of pain or worse.
Speaking of folly, this chapter was pretty amusing because of an implication in it. A few days ago, some guy was trying to rake me over the coals for, according to him, attempting to "chalk" a dumb MC's behavior toward a girl to effeminacy--and this was in response to my criticizing the mangaka who create effeminate MCs like that one as SOP and thereby constantly send a certain message to readers. And yet here is this chapter indirectly corroborating what I say about the differences between the sexes--generally, that there is a difference between the two.
lol People are funny.
You're "no feminist", but you're taking considerable umbrage (i.e., offense) at something you merely disagree with ("incredible" sexism, as you perceive it). You should do some introspection, then, as that is exactly the feminist's stock-in-trade: offense, for it's a powerful thing in this modern world, ruled by emotion (among the lesser people) as it is. They take offense, and signal (often more vitriolically than you have, to be fair, but even that's not necessary) that offense in order to have whatever offends them crushed (a primary component of the "cancel culture" we all know and love). They don't agree to disagree, they must eliminate opposition--and negative emotion is all that's needed to start the process.
And in the latter of these two chapters, lots of Mylene herself--very gratifying. That said, I'm inclined to agree with many here about Julius: there are people who aren't good for much other than making good/likable people suffer pain, indignity, or both; here, Mylene has to abase herself to get Julius out of a bind (surely, because she's the queen prostrating herself before a viscount for his favor). I still wonder just how easily he could have avoided whatever predicament he's in by simply closing his mouth and not letting folly drag him across the world in search of pain or worse.
Speaking of folly, this chapter was pretty amusing because of an implication in it. A few days ago, some guy was trying to rake me over the coals for, according to him, attempting to "chalk" a dumb MC's behavior toward a girl to effeminacy--and this was in response to my criticizing the mangaka who create effeminate MCs like that one as SOP and thereby constantly send a certain message to readers. And yet here is this chapter indirectly corroborating what I say about the differences between the sexes--generally, that there is a difference between the two.
lol People are funny.
You're "no feminist", but you're taking considerable umbrage (i.e., offense) at something you merely disagree with ("incredible" sexism, as you perceive it). You should do some introspection, then, as that is exactly the feminist's stock-in-trade: offense, for it's a powerful thing in this modern world, ruled by emotion (among the lesser people) as it is. They take offense, and signal (often more vitriolically than you have, to be fair, but even that's not necessary) that offense in order to have whatever offends them crushed (a primary component of the "cancel culture" we all know and love). They don't agree to disagree, they must eliminate opposition--and negative emotion is all that's needed to start the process.
inb4 someone comes and becomes outraged by my words: "Uuu, how dare you blaspheme against the holy vagina! You're such a big...dummy~! Uuu~!"
The implication I spoke of before was actually in the means they used for weakening the nobles--i.e., taking power from them and putting it in the hands of women. It's not "sexist", but actually grounded in physiology. For better or for worse, and as illustrated by the story itself, women ARE typically less likely to engage in conflict in general (NB: in general).
Physical conflict, that is to say.
Because of feminine physiology, women are less capable of physical conflict than men are (even if they can fight, it takes more for a woman to have fighting strength than it does a man). As a result, they know to avoid it and emphasize harmony instead--at least on the surface. In keeping with their relative weakness, the way women fight is through society itself. (An example of this is in the power dynamics between women in a group either entirely or primarily composed of them, along with and specifically the internecine conflict born of feminine rivalry; women may smile at each other, but they engage in much indirect, surreptitious aggression because they're better suited to that than direct physical confrontation.) That said and in keeping with it, it does not diminish the potential for political aspiration in women. (And, indeed, the way women engage in conflict is far better suited to a lawful, civilized society because it can avoid open contravention of the law and societal moral/ethical standards more easily; it is also characteristic of such societies' political worlds.) Politics is, by definition, the art or science of governance--of controlling a populace.
Their emotionality, however, does make them generally weaker in governance and politics; said emotions can and will obstruct one's view of the world and the proper maintenance and enforcement of a righteous law (which happens constantly today in the West, all because of widespread emotion over thinking). In addition, those who are not excessively emotional can and will exploit those who are--a political structure in which you have a governing woman ostensibly in power with other male politicians holding actual power is one example. (Note also that this is a page taken from women's book of interpersonal politics--by men.) Men and women are different, and this is one of the ways in which they are. Exceptions do not disprove this rule; Mylene is one if I recall correctly, given her cognizance and rational evaluation of the positive and negative aspects of her kingdom's affairs, but all the women around her indulge and indulged in their power and the gratification it provides exactly as described, and exactly as plotted by the kingdom itself. (And this is without using real-world examples, mind.)
Physical conflict, that is to say.
Because of feminine physiology, women are less capable of physical conflict than men are (even if they can fight, it takes more for a woman to have fighting strength than it does a man). As a result, they know to avoid it and emphasize harmony instead--at least on the surface. In keeping with their relative weakness, the way women fight is through society itself. (An example of this is in the power dynamics between women in a group either entirely or primarily composed of them, along with and specifically the internecine conflict born of feminine rivalry; women may smile at each other, but they engage in much indirect, surreptitious aggression because they're better suited to that than direct physical confrontation.) That said and in keeping with it, it does not diminish the potential for political aspiration in women. (And, indeed, the way women engage in conflict is far better suited to a lawful, civilized society because it can avoid open contravention of the law and societal moral/ethical standards more easily; it is also characteristic of such societies' political worlds.) Politics is, by definition, the art or science of governance--of controlling a populace.
Their emotionality, however, does make them generally weaker in governance and politics; said emotions can and will obstruct one's view of the world and the proper maintenance and enforcement of a righteous law (which happens constantly today in the West, all because of widespread emotion over thinking). In addition, those who are not excessively emotional can and will exploit those who are--a political structure in which you have a governing woman ostensibly in power with other male politicians holding actual power is one example. (Note also that this is a page taken from women's book of interpersonal politics--by men.) Men and women are different, and this is one of the ways in which they are. Exceptions do not disprove this rule; Mylene is one if I recall correctly, given her cognizance and rational evaluation of the positive and negative aspects of her kingdom's affairs, but all the women around her indulge and indulged in their power and the gratification it provides exactly as described, and exactly as plotted by the kingdom itself. (And this is without using real-world examples, mind.)
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That all made annoyingly good sense of why things are the way they are in this series.
Also, anyone else wants to see the prince get his teeth get kicked in?
Thanks everyone at Mylene Scans for the translation
Also, anyone else wants to see the prince get his teeth get kicked in?
Thanks everyone at Mylene Scans for the translation
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There are plot holes but this is not one of them.
While the ideals do dwindle (and we can see that in present time in the manga), remember that we irl uphold many political and cultural ideals during centuries.
What buggers me is why would the Kingdom try things like making nobles weaker, when they are responsible for defense and administration. Sure you don't want them to rebel but then just don't give them reason to rebel.
And would not the nobles, seeing the kingdom's maneuvers to lessen their grasp in power, absolutely rebel?
What about opening the academy to commoners? Giving the commoners more power is a sure way to have a French Revolution scenario going on.
And why did no noble so far rebel at all? Women do have monetary and societal power but the men have most of the means of production and make 100% of the army and are nobles, I am shocked no place inside the kingdom decided to just kill most of the women and uphold power.
Much of this plan assumes that everything would happen quickly and that no one would question it. When kings tried to pull shit like this in the middle ages, they would get a knife to the back and then a 10 year old puppet would assume the throne or something.
I find it interesting that their and our world is/was a male dominated society. Both tried to even it out for various reasons. In our current world, most of it is by equal representation. It's not perfect, but certainly didn't devolve into their world.
As we've seen in the manga, most or all of the military are still controlled by men. It's not just the military too if we look at Leons dad. In an effort to lower their power they increased the power of women (aka those who weren't in power). This change in power structure without a change in traditional roles goes awry. After all, power corrupts.
I know of a current real life matrilineal society that tried to do something similar for a different reason. What they changed wasn't really the power structure, but more on the power dynamics. Currently considered a matriarchy, but if you really look at the laws, it isn't, as it actually have checks and balances between the sexes. The reason for creating those laws was for security of the children within their religious laws.
As we've seen in the manga, most or all of the military are still controlled by men. It's not just the military too if we look at Leons dad. In an effort to lower their power they increased the power of women (aka those who weren't in power). This change in power structure without a change in traditional roles goes awry. After all, power corrupts.
I know of a current real life matrilineal society that tried to do something similar for a different reason. What they changed wasn't really the power structure, but more on the power dynamics. Currently considered a matriarchy, but if you really look at the laws, it isn't, as it actually have checks and balances between the sexes. The reason for creating those laws was for security of the children within their religious laws.
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The slow part is important.
I think in real life, most rulers would want the plan to complete within their lifetime, causing a rushed job.
The commoners not feeling it and not inconvenienced by it is also important.
It probably starts from something innocent-looking. Men should be nice to women, and this is the expected way for noble men to show their worth in a peaceful era. Unlike the current state where the women demands it, back then men did it by their own free choice, those who can provide to the women are seen favourably by the society, and the opposite became embarrassing.
It’s not apparent to them how this is a way the kingdom wants to weaken them, because this looks like something coming from their society.
Several generations later, and the men are caught in endless cycle of how they gradually starts to give up more and more privilege, yet numbed because within their short life, that’s not so different from how things had always been (of course it would be different if they had looked back and compare to the situation decades ago).
Even if the men has power in production and military, they are raised seeing this is how men are supposed to be.
The fact that it’s confined into the smaller low-middle nobilities might also help.
In the smaller noble society, where there are more female... women learns to form group and make use of social relationship faster. They have numbers and fellowship to defend their opinion or interest, and especially backed by the shifting mindset. Meanwhile the men still immaturely trying to deal with things on their own.
The Kingdom is caught short-sighted. They are too satisfied with the short-term result of weakening the noble men, while bringing wealth to the capital.
Although they do need to address it. Right now it’s just Livia. But if they will admit more commoners to the academy, they will need to prepare for the conflict in culture, or worse, having the culture poison the commoners. Seeing how this phase likely won’t be done even in Julius’ lifetime, they might miss it out fixing it completely.
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