Please make optional this planned feature of automatic add manga when rated.

[truepurple]

From the thread list of planned and rejected "Automatically add manga to follows when rated."

Not sure what this means exactly, presumably/hopefully it wouldn't be adding to your follows if you rate it badly, and who knows if you rate it middling . But even if it's just for stuff you rate max on, it should be optional for it to do this behavior.

 

[MrIncognito]

Unless plans around that have changed, it will eventually become impossible to have ratings exist for mangas you don't follow in some way or another (reading, dropped, completed, etc.)

That feature is just a consequence of that.

 

[truepurple]

it will eventually become impossible to have ratings exist for mangas you don't follow in some way or another (reading, dropped, completed, etc.)

That doesn't make any sense? How is that something good? Why make such a counter productive useless change? It would be super annoying to not be able to rate stuff not on our list. "feature creep" at its worst.

 

[MrIncognito]

Well, imagine these cases:
[ul]You rated a manga low because you hate it or just didn't find it worth reading. Put it in "dropped". By the time the change rolls around, most likely the feature to hide dropped manga from all listings will also have been implemented.
You rated a manga high because you liked it. Good. Have it in your "completed" listings.[/ul]
Also, if the custom follow types feature also rolls out, you can squirrel everything you don't really feel that strongly about away into another follow type.

If you want to know how it's good in any way, there are currently people ratings-bombing series just because they're a genre/demographic they don't care about (shoujo, yaoi, etc.)

 

[truepurple]

MrIncognito (does it notify you without the @?)

If you want to know how it's good in any way, there are currently people ratings-bombing series just because they're a genre/demographic they don't care about (shoujo, yaoi, etc.)

How does adding each poorly rated series to peoples dropped list stop that?

Surely there are many other approaches to stopping this, depending on how these "bombs" work. Even if this does somehow stop it (and I again don't get how it would) it's an annoyance to those who aren't rating bombing stuff. So maybe keep looking for better solutions that don't annoy regular users?!?

Like adding extras steps bots can't handle to rate something perhaps, time delay before you can rate again and site bots that note rating spam? I'm no expert and I got no idea how these bombs work and yet I'm able to provide all this just off hand, yet none of you can think of anything better?!?

As for hiding dropped, maybe we don't want dropped hidden, maybe it's useful to know we dropped something? Maybe you could even give us a choice in our own categorizing like Mangapark does. And maybe we liked a manga but not enough to read it, at least for the moment. Not enough to have it on any list of any kind.

Also, would this mean all existing ratings would be lost?

 

[MrIncognito]

does it notify you without the @?

The @ before the name is what makes it trigger notifications.

How does adding each poorly rated series to peoples dropped list stop that?

Honestly, it probably would add it to your regular "reading" follows regardless of what you rated something, so it would at the very least add an extra step.

(There was a lot here where you were very upset)

That was just a guess at one way it could help. Don't judge/blame the mods and devs for that. If there was a post that explained their reasoning for it, I'm having trouble finding it.

As for hiding dropped, maybe we don't want dropped hidden, maybe it's useful to know we dropped something?

That would most likely be an optional feature, is what I would tell this hypothetical person. Maybe it's you?

Maybe you could even give us a choice in our own categorizing like Mangapark does.

I mentioned custom follow types earlier.

And maybe we liked a manga but not enough to read it, at least for the moment.

That's what "Plan to read" and your custom follow type "Manga I liked but probably won't read" are for

 

[truepurple]

@ MrIncognito
You still haven't answered the question, how does this stop that "bombing" you spoke of?

If your just another user like me and aren't part of the dev team and don't directly understand it, maybe not speak for them in turning down my suggestion?

 

[Anomander]

> there are currently people ratings-bombing series

Currently? It has been a thing since day one. The top rated manga list on the frontpage is a race to the bottom. As of this writing the highest-rated manga is at 9.37. I remember a time when the top was somewhere over 9.6 and not one of them was below 9.5.

 

[Hounder]

@AbyssalMonkey Admittedly, I would argue that hentai-tagged manga probably need to be locked out of being a part of the ratings system simply due to the decisive nature of them. Not to mention, how many of them would really warrant a mid to high rating? A fraction of a percent, or fewer?

 

[Plykiya]

@MrIncognito

there are currently people ratings-bombing series just because they're a genre/demographic they don't care about

This is correct. It's a method of deterring rating-bombs for people who hate a specific kind of content. The theory goes: If you rate something, you've read it enough to form an opinion about it. So naturally it should end up in your follows, even if it does go straight to dropped. I mean, if you haven't read it, how can you rate it? Basically how it was thought out. The only people who seem to dislike it are people who don't want the series to end up in their follows, despite having rated it.

@truepurple
Adding it to your follows acts as a deterrent because they'll dislike having it in their follows. So they have to choose between "the manga deserves this rating so much I'll keep it in my follows", or "this series is so bad I don't even want it in my follows." Most people are in the second camp, especially for the genres that gets bombed with 1's.


Multiple changes to the dropped category will make this less annoying. Like not showing 'Dropped' in the 'All' category, or hiding 'Dropped' series from showing on the front page and whatnot.

 

[truepurple]

@Plykiya
You got circular logic going there. If it's annoying enough to have in follows to stop people from "rating bombing" then it will annoy other people too. And if you make it less annoying, it won't stop the rating bombing as much, using your own logic. Besides, what's to stop someone from making a dummy account and rating bomb with that?

Is some kind of script involved with "rating bombing"? Maybe you could take antiscript measures? Maybe you can make rating something slightly more time consuming?

 

[Plykiya]

@truepurple Nobody's using a script or fake accounts, evidenced by the lack of instant and/or numerous 1's on any particular series of whatever genre

 

[truepurple]

@Plykiya
Nothing to stop them from using another account for it assuming your circular logic plan actually worked. They just don't have the motivation to bother with that till you give it to them with this ill thought out system. So even in best case scenario where it succeeds in the way it was intended AKA "rating bombers" disliking having their rated manga on their follows list of the account they use for viewing, it still fails to stop "Rating bombing because they can still make dummy accounts at that time, while still annoying honest users. Worst of both worlds plus a new problem of dummy accounts.

Please respond to my point about your logic being circular.

 

[Plykiya]

@truepurple I'm not sure why your automatic assumption is that anyone who bothers rating a genre a 1 is the kind of person to create dummy accounts to drop series in rating out of pure spite for the genre. People like that can't be stopped and I never stated this change targeted that demographic.

 

[truepurple]

@Plykiya
You got circular logic going there. If it's annoying enough to have in follows to stop people from "rating bombing" then it will annoy other people too. And if you make it less annoying, it won't stop the rating bombing as much, using your own logic.

I mean your counting on something being annoying to stop a certain behavior at the same time saying it won't be annoying!

 

[ItsQuote]

If it's annoying enough to have in follows to stop people from "rating bombing" then it will annoy other people too.

this isn't circular logic, this is the nature of the world in that a single solution to a problem is all but impossible to solve the problem with zero impact to anyone. circular logic would (in an exceptionally reduced form) look something like "we propose this solution will solve the problem. therefore, it solves the problem."

the annoyance other people face at having ratings attached to follows is likely demonstrably less than the annoyance people face at seeing good titles get their rating tanked simply because others object to the subject matter. compromise!