Rock wa Lady no Tashinami deshite - Vol. 4 Ch. 26

[SuperOniichan]

That's the problem,is does not make sense.

Every battle series being a parody of Dragon Ball Z(specially Z and not the prior iterations)makes no sense,as much as saying every car is a parody of the Ford Model T,for there's so many battle series that they literally aren't,and plenty can't,be parodies no matter how mental gymnastics one takes.

Also,to be a parody,it has be to a deliberate exaggeration of the key core aspects of the series it is supposedly parodying.

The exaggeration in this series is about how AWOL rock bands are,not the Catholic rich lesbian school itself,because they didn't change that aspect that literally dozens of other series have done.

Did you even read what I wrote? Or are you just repeating your argument? I'll try to explain this to you one last time: I'm calling this a MariMite parody not because this manga is a direct parody of it, specifically or exclusively. But because it's a genre-defining title for the genre this manga parodies, namely, Class S oujo-sama all-girls schools. This is the most simple and obvious metaphor, I don’t understand why you still can’t understand it, clinging to wording or completely ignoring my meta explanations.

You're desperately clinging to the genre it's parodying (not to mention that it's not parodying yuri or even lesbian romance per se, but the Class S setting), yet you're strangely ignorant of the works that embody that genre. I didn't just use the metaphor of how impossible it is to parody '80s action movies without Rambo or battle shonen without Dragon Ball, but it seems like that hint flew right over your head, since you have a strange way of perceiving the genre outside of the works that embody it. You understand that any literary genre consists of defining literary works, right? And that any parody or deconstruction of it will primarily work with the core titles within it, not with some abstract absolute, yes?

Parody isn't just about exaggerations. Nozaki and Saiki parody school shoujo and shonen tropes without any exaggeration, simply playing with them in an ironic or subversive way. Not to mention that this manga doesn't parody rock bands per se either (whose aspects are precisely what they don't really change, retranslating most of the stereotypes about rock music like bassist with ego or animal drummer), its central theme is the parodic contrast between prim oujo-sama Class S setting and the characters' fascination with rough rock music. I don't know why I even need to explain such trivial things in a discussion of volume 4; it's literally a subversive comedy with comedic contrast, the essence of which is already laid out in the title.

 

[weleasewodger]

^ You 2 above.

The urst is off the charts, get a room.

Good job Lily. Should have swung and hit the kh unt fcking harder though

 

[NARESH4444]

Did you even read what I wrote? Or are you just repeating your argument? I'll try to explain this to you one last time: I'm calling this a MariMite parody not because this manga is a direct parody of it, specifically or exclusively. But because it's a genre-defining title for the genre this manga parodies, namely, Class S oujo-sama all-girls schools. This is the most simple and obvious metaphor, I don’t understand why you still can’t understand it, clinging to wording or completely ignoring my meta explanations.

You're desperately clinging to the genre it's parodying (not to mention that it's not parodying yuri or even lesbian romance per se, but the Class S setting), yet you're strangely ignorant of the works that embody that genre. I didn't just use the metaphor of how impossible it is to parody '80s action movies without Rambo or battle shonen without Dragon Ball, but it seems like that hint flew right over your head, since you have a strange way of perceiving the genre outside of the works that embody it. You understand that any literary genre consists of defining literary works, right? And that any parody or deconstruction of it will primarily work with the core titles within it, not with some abstract absolute, yes?

Parody isn't just about exaggerations. Nozaki and Saiki parody school shoujo and shonen tropes without any exaggeration, simply playing with them in an ironic or subversive way. Not to mention that this manga doesn't parody rock bands per se either (whose aspects are precisely what they don't really change, retranslating most of the stereotypes about rock music like bassist with ego or animal drummer), its central theme is the parodic contrast between prim oujo-sama Class S setting and the characters' fascination with rough rock music. I don't know why I even need to explain such trivial things in a discussion of volume 4; it's literally a subversive comedy with comedic contrast, the essence of which is already laid out in the title.

And there's your problem,parodies ARE exaggerations,that's the whole point and literally part of the definition.

What you're trying to do is literally the same as trying to say all cars are parodies of Ford Model Ts,and you even tried saying all battle series are Dragon Ball Z parodies,that's just not true by default.

Inspired by,sure,referencing it,sure,but a parody of "Maria Watches Over Us" this series is not,unless you can point out things it is specifically exaggerating that isn't aimed at rock bands being utterly insane folks who wished to orgasm their brains out on a stage in front of thousands.

The lesbian Catholic rich girls school part in this series is played straight,they've done nothing to make the genre different from all other series that use it,regardless of being the main genre or a side genre or even one mentioned/infered in passing,and regardless if any of them are actually lesbians.

Also,as for Rambo,the only parody that one can really mention is "Hot Shots! Part Deux".

 

[SuperOniichan]

And there's your problem,parodies ARE exaggerations,that's the whole point and literally part of the definition.

What you're trying to do is literally the same as trying to say all cars are parodies of Ford Model Ts,and you even tried saying all battle series are Dragon Ball Z parodies,that's just not true by default.

Inspired by,sure,referencing it,sure,but a parody of "Maria Watches Over Us" this series is not,unless you can point out things it is specifically exaggerating that isn't aimed at rock bands being utterly insane folks who wished to orgasm their brains out on a stage in front of thousands.

The lesbian Catholic rich girls school part in this series is played straight,they've done nothing to make the genre different from all other series that use it,regardless of being the main genre or a side genre or even one mentioned/infered in passing,and regardless if any of them are actually lesbians.

Also,as for Rambo,the only parody that one can really mention is "Hot Shots! Part Deux".

I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing. If fairly simple explanations fly over your head and you continue to reiterate some misconceptions (even ignorantly insisting on exaggeration as the only form of parody, which ironically contrasts with your attempt to deny my generalization) or simply repeat your argument, ignoring what I've said, I'll just end it. Specifically, I explained the Dragon Ball Z comparison three times, but you completely ignored it, continuing to autistically rip my take from the very first comment, stubbornly interpreting it literally, and ignoring my explanations. I don't need that, sorry.

^ You 2 above.

The urst is off the charts, get a room.

Good job Lily. Should have swung and hit the kh unt fcking harder though

I'm done with this. I explained my take to the guy three times in different words and even wrote a wall of text in one comment, but he just ignored it. It's no longer my business.

 

[NARESH4444]

I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing. If fairly simple explanations fly over your head and you continue to reiterate some misconceptions (even ignorantly insisting on exaggeration as the only form of parody, which ironically contrasts with your attempt to deny my generalization) or simply repeat your argument, ignoring what I've said, I'll just end it. Specifically, I explained the Dragon Ball Z comparison three times, but you completely ignored it, continuing to autistically rip my take from the very first comment, stubbornly interpreting it literally, and ignoring my explanations. I don't need that, sorry.

I'm done with this. I explained my take to the guy three times in different words and even wrote a wall of text in one comment, but he just ignored it. It's no longer my business.

And you've been ignoring me the whole time.

You can quite literally look up what parody means,it has to specifically target something in an exaggerated manner for it to be the parody of it.

You have tried to argue that's not what a parody is,but that's a self-imposed denial of reality for a well defined term.

This series does that with rock bands,but not that specific lesbian comic.

I've already explained why Dragon Ball Z is not the series every battle series parodies,because again you've ignored what I've said,it is equivalent to saying all cars are parodies of the Ford Model T.

There's so Goddamn many battle series out there,they aren't all parodies of Dragon Ball Z(and just Z,not the prior iterations),they are all part of the battle genre,you have to find and point out the specific comic that exaggerates what DBZ does.

And again,you have yet to bring up any specific points in this comic that is also present in Maria.

I have given you the burden of proof as you why you're wrong,all you have done is provided a false opinion based on an assumption that doesn't reflect the actual meaning of the word you've chosen.

^ You 2 above.

The urst is off the charts, get a room.

Good job Lily. Should have swung and hit the kh unt fcking harder though

And claiming to someone else that I ignored it despite explaining why you're wrong is also a rejecton of reality,how on Earth was I even supposed to respond to you as specifically as I did without reading what you wrote?

 

[SuperOniichan]

And you've been ignoring me the whole time.

You can quite literally look up what parody means,it has to specifically target something in an exaggerated manner for it to be the parody of it.

You have tried to argue that's not what a parody is,but that's a self-imposed denial of reality for a well defined term.

This series does that with rock bands,but not that specific lesbian comic.

I've already explained why Dragon Ball Z is not the series every battle series parodies,because again you've ignored what I've said,it is equivalent to saying all cars are parodies of the Ford Model T.

There's so Goddamn many battle series out there,they aren't all parodies of Dragon Ball Z(and just Z,not the prior iterations),they are all part of the battle genre,you have to find and point out the specific comic that exaggerates what DBZ does.

And again,you have yet to bring up any specific points in this comic that is also present in Maria.

I have given you the burden of proof as you why you're wrong,all you have done is provided a false opinion based on an assumption that doesn't reflect the actual meaning of the word you've chosen.

And claiming to someone else that I ignored it despite explaining why you're wrong is also a rejecton of reality,how on Earth was I even supposed to respond to you as specifically as I did without reading what you wrote?

You continue to ignore my responses and mechanically repeat the same thesis regardless of any my explanations even in the comment where you deny it. It's not even funny, I'm not going to participate in this anymore, sorry.

 

[NARESH4444]

You continue to ignore my responses and mechanically repeat the same thesis regardless of any my explanations even in the comment where you deny it. It's not even funny, I'm not going to participate in this anymore, sorry.

And have you actually tried looking up the meaning of "parody"?

Seriously,I do not need to change anything regarding my response,because you have been working with a fundamentally flawed definition from the start.

Why change when I'm right and you're wrong?

Why change when I've repeatedly told you how to obtain the proof to support even your own statements,yet you've not once tried to present a way that confirms what you've said?

I've already completely debunked Dragon Ball Z,it took only one movie mention to eliminate Rambo from the equation,one Yahoo! or Yandex search for the meaning of "parody" is literally all it takes to show you why you've spinning your own wheels claiming I'm the one ignoring you.

You may continue to claim that all cars are Ford Model T parodies,that doesn't make it any more "correct".