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For a moment, I thought she was giving him the finger.
And with his warm hands, he caused the girl to fall for him and will probably join his harem in the future.
 
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People here are retards for thinking that killing the MC in the first chapter has been somehow needed or justified for this whole undercover operation. There has been no reasons for her to go along with doing that with a happy smug face. She could've told that he's not worth it and insist they'd simply kick his ass out of the party, literally and figurally, as soon as they get out of the dungeon, as not becoming an active participant in murdering the MC wouldn't put her cover and the operation under any meaningful kind of risk. Saying it did is a wishful thinking of the unprecedented level, some people need to pull their heads out of their asses and consume less of a criminal bullshit content.
You have to remember the asshole she is trying to fool here. Hesitation or reasoning to just kick him out would immediately put her neck and mission on the line, because he wasn't just going to not kill Dion because she protested. She'd just been killed with him.

He HATED Dion and wanted to kill him even without the excuse. The only reason he even went with making it an accident was that Yuki would waste his ass in an instant and needed her for clout.
 
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I feel like this is one of the few times a member can be forgiven. She wasn't "really" a member but was there on an investigation and couldn't draw suspicion. A secret agent on a mission to catch a major drug trafficking group that also seems to be behind terrorist attacks is a pretty valid reason to ignore the crimes of one with the expectation when you bring him in later you just add the charge on top
 
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I was wondering were this story was gonna go after Dion reunited with the Ice Princess but a Drug Cartel Arc was not on my list, hope this will be good!
 
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I am reminded of the Discworld character 71-Hour Ahmed. He is a police captain for his country, but compared to the main character Sam Vimes, who patrols a large metropolitan area, Ahmed is a man who patrols a desert. He is focused on the greater justice over the immediate right and wrong. He has no backup, minimal support. No means to transport people to holding stations.

Like that, this woman couldn't bring support, may not have time to contact her handler after the plan to kill Dion was made. She couldn't get away, especially if it was made in the wilderness on their way to the dungeon. This society doesn't have communication magic over long distances. She has done a morally gray action in service of Justice. It's a hard choice, but it looks like she feels guilty, so while she chose Lawful over Good, she isn't a zealot.
It was planned, not just planned and wait for a chance to happen.
They lured him, while Yuki is away, went to a specific dungeon to push him off.
And she's a vice captain, sure she's doesn't have a subordinate, back up, resources or time to at least make some counter plan

Let's just forget MC, it's only 1 live. What she's probably thinking if we ignore the probability she's actually enjoying it like the expression show.

Next please
 
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honestly valid, undercover folk gotta watch a lot of fucked up shit for cartel busts. Explains why she's actually trying to keep segrit alive so that her trail doesn't go cold too.
 
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She was a fed the whole time? Now its even more annoying they didjnt just kill them all, or at the least get them thrown out of the guild
 
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She was a fed the whole time? Now its even more annoying they didjnt just kill them all, or at the least get them thrown out of the guild
She needs him to find the kingpin of the drug business. Segrit is scum, but he's her only lead and she needs him alive to find the boss. Kicking him out of the guild would likely leave him too much of a loose end for the other criminals and they would kill him to make sure he didn't cut a deal for good living again.
 
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Ok... Since I can't spoil this anymore, I'm gonna give a bit more of extra info, not even necessarily spoilers, first of... Differences between web novel and Manga (could be mainly the translation to blame but I think it's the editors)

is less apologetic and more no nonsense "I did what had to be done, dion also saves her from a much more serious danger when they fall, dion himself says I can't forgive her but at least I understand her, the scene with the warm hands is there though

That difference at least IMO was the intent of the editors of the Manga, yuki and even eldora are slightly different in the novels too.

Now if you want actual spoilers...

Cliora is mostly inconsequential after this, after segrits second death (both very gruesome) and losing his own dragon powers, (abyss gives him some I think) Cliora and the witch girl simply leave, now if you're wondering about the harem, there's obviously yuki and eldora, they get a SLAVE Elf for domestic stuff because duh... She is Called merry, and after the final battle the other dragon girl?.. Abyss, now kinda wants to join on the fun too. To be honest I don't know if the light novel has gone beyond this point or if the WN continues elsewhere but in the original publication this is where it stops
 
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Ok... Since I can't spoil this anymore, I'm gonna give a bit more of extra info, not even necessarily spoilers, first of... Differences between web novel and Manga (could be mainly the translation to blame but I think it's the editors)

is less apologetic and more no nonsense "I did what had to be done, dion also saves her from a much more serious danger when they fall, dion himself says I can't forgive her but at least I understand her, the scene with the warm hands is there though

That difference at least IMO was the intent of the editors of the Manga, yuki and even eldora are slightly different in the novels too.

Now if you want actual spoilers...

Cliora is mostly inconsequential after this, after segrits second death (both very gruesome) and losing his own dragon powers, (abyss gives him some I think) Cliora and the witch girl simply leave, now if you're wondering about the harem, there's obviously yuki and eldora, they get a SLAVE Elf for domestic stuff because duh... She is Called merry, and after the final battle the other dragon girl?.. Abyss, now kinda wants to join on the fun too. To be honest I don't know if the light novel has gone beyond this point or if the WN continues elsewhere but in the original publication this is where it stops
Thanks for the info, seems like a very basic novel that can benefit greatly from a good editor.
 
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I am reminded of the Discworld character 71-Hour Ahmed. He is a police captain for his country, but compared to the main character Sam Vimes, who patrols a large metropolitan area, Ahmed is a man who patrols a desert. He is focused on the greater justice over the immediate right and wrong. He has no backup, minimal support. No means to transport people to holding stations.

Like that, this woman couldn't bring support, may not have time to contact her handler after the plan to kill Dion was made. She couldn't get away, especially if it was made in the wilderness on their way to the dungeon. This society doesn't have communication magic over long distances. She has done a morally gray action in service of Justice. It's a hard choice, but it looks like she feels guilty, so while she chose Lawful over Good, she isn't a zealot.
Sorry, but, "she feels guilty" doesn't explain her gleeful expression when the "hero" was just about to murder the MC.
At best I would expect an ACTUAL guilty expression or that of regret, something that shows she is not happy with having to be accomplice to murder even if it's for "the greater good" ( it is not, since the assumed drug connection between the hero and a supposed organization "lead" is too weak to excuse sacrificing an innocent civilian life over it).
Heck even an impassive one would be acceptable.
But she seemed to enjoy the MC's predicament at the time.
 
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Dude, stop being a troll or gtfo.

But on the off-hand chance you really do think that?

Undercover cops are a real thing, and they have to witness crimes all the time, sometimes even to the point of being an accessory. Granted, outright murder isn't usually on the table, but shit happens sometimes, especially when setting up sting operations for high-value drug deals, just like the one they got cooking in this manga. The undercover cop can't say a damn thing to anyone that has even the most remote chance of blowing their cover.

But hey, you don't gotta take my word for it.

First, have an article from Business Insider about how real life undercover officers operate.
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-life-is-like-as-an-undercover-cop-2014-4

And here's a PubMed article on the psychological stresses of being an actual undercover officer.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12346469/
It's not being a troll, it's having common sense.

You can clearly see how gleeful her expression is when the MC was about to be murdered, and you can see that the "hero" is infront of her so the claim that she did it to fool the hero, doesn't hold.

Also if you bothered to read about actual undercover officers,you would know that they don't stick to small fries that push drugs once every year and only when they are in dire need of cash.

Because those people will never get to meet any of the important people of the cartels, but rather only disposable pawns and mules.

And no, "he is the hero ofcourse he'll meet the big wigs" is not a valid excuse, we've seen that Sigrit is a capital M moron with the intellect of a rock and matching social skills so there is no way he would suave his way on the table of the big players.

Any of the big players would avoid association with him directly, just so they can avoid the "spotlight" he is in, and any fallout that might ensue if his drug pushing gets discovered .

REALL undercover officers, enter actual organizations that push drugs on an almost daily basis.
They are not send to attach themselves to that rich kid, that sold a large amount of coke to their rich friends a couple of times, hoping that one day Pablo Escobar will show up in one if their parties with a bag full of drugs....
 
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It's not being a troll, it's having common sense.
Oh? Let's pick this apart then. I'm in a mood to destroy someone today. (Pun not intended.)
You can clearly see how gleeful her expression is when the MC was about to be murdered, and you can see that the "hero" is infront of her so the claim that she did it to fool the hero, doesn't hold.
Stop that. You're so damn hyper-fixated on this one detail that its destroying your own argument.

On that note, lemme show you something, because you obviously didn't read the articles I linked as closely as you should have. (If at all.)
[An Undercover Officer] lives at a UC residence, contacts his agency only through his handler (whom he sees infrequently), and has a wallet full of identification and credit cards (assuming his role would have these) in his UC identify. He may have a complete criminal history, credit report and other background data established in the UC persona.
And then skipping ahead a bit...
An ideal UC is an amiable type who makes friends easily. You can fake that just so much. Spend enough time with people who like and trust you, doing what they do, and you're likely to develop some affection for them, even though what they do goes against your moral principles. When the time comes that you have to betray their trust and take part in their undoing, there is a real sense of betrayal. UCs who are "under" for prolonged periods—years, sometimes—often need psychological counseling to deal with the conflict.
Do you not understand what the implications behind this means? Are you incapable of reading between the lines, here?

It means the act has to be 100% fool proof. If that means she has to give the appearance of being gleeful when it came time to kick Dion off a cliff, then that's what it would take.

Why?

Because all it would have taken was just one backwards glance from Segrit and he would have known something was off.

Also, bornonamonday already commented on this matter, and quite eloquently at that...
You have to remember the asshole she is trying to fool here. Hesitation or reasoning to just kick him out would immediately put her neck and mission on the line, because he wasn't just going to not kill Dion because she protested. She'd just been killed with him.

He HATED Dion and wanted to kill him even without the excuse. The only reason he even went with making it an accident was that Yuki would waste his ass in an instant and needed her for clout.
And there you have it. If Segrit was already so spiteful towards Dion to want to murder him, then anything Cliora could have done to mitigate this would have put her role in danger. She had to appear to be fully on-board with the idea. If she had objected to Segrit's plan in any way, shape, or form, then it would have appeared to Segrit that she was a liability. (He has at least this much sense in his head, given he's been keeping all of this from Yuki.)

So, given the hypothetical situation of Cliora attempting to stop Segrit from killing Dion? At the bare minimum, Segrit would have kicked her out. And in the worst case, Segrit would have killed her, too.

All Cliora was doing was the only thing she could do: act out the role she needed to portray. Nothing more, nothing less.
Also if you bothered to read about actual undercover officers,you would know that they don't stick to small fries that push drugs once every year and only when they are in dire need of cash.

Because those people will never get to meet any of the important people of the cartels, but rather only disposable pawns and mules.

And no, "he is the hero ofcourse he'll meet the big wigs" is not a valid excuse, we've seen that Sigrit is a capital M moron with the intellect of a rock and matching social skills so there is no way he would suave his way on the table of the big players.

Any of the big players would avoid association with him directly, just so they can avoid the "spotlight" he is in, and any fallout that might ensue if his drug pushing gets discovered .

REALL undercover officers, enter actual organizations that push drugs on an almost daily basis.
They are not send to attach themselves to that rich kid, that sold a large amount of coke to their rich friends a couple of times, hoping that one day Pablo Escobar will show up in one if their parties with a bag full of drugs....
You're only half-right about this.

You're right in that, yeah, you don't typically get into direct contact with the Big Fish by going after the dealers and mules.

But you're utterly, completely, and fantastically wrong about how often the Feds will work with dealers and mules.

You pretty much said it yourself: if you're a big time drug operation, are you just gonna randomly meet up with some guy offering a sweet deal who no one has ever heard of before?

That's the paradox that is at play here. You only get on the "inside" of one of these organizations by proving to be reliable, useful, and (most importantly) trustworthy. Until you have this track record established, you don't even get close to any of the Big Fish.

Of course, this means dealers and mules tend to act more like independent contractors. And as such, they network with each other, sharing information, making connections, and building up their own reps.

And that's exactly how undercover agents have to do this. Just like the rest of the Small Fry, they gotta start out like Small Fry and work their way up.

Thus, dealers and mules are exactly what the Feds start out with! That's why undercover operations at the Federal level need to go on for YEARS. It isn't simply that the Feds have the resources to throw at something like this, it's also because they have to start at the ground floor and work their way up.

Again, you don't have to take my word for it... This operation started out with just a small fry dealer, and then, using his reputation, moved on to facilitating dealers and mules with transportation.
https://www.thehistoryreader.com/us-history/ghost-my-thirty-years-as-an-fbi-undercover-agent/

Yes, Segrit is just a "mule". But it's been clearly implied that he's a high profile mule who can move large quantities of product. Even more importantly, he can easily move between countries - something that typically only high-ranking parties do on a regular basis. That means he has to make contact with someone who, even if they're not a big fish in this drug cartel, is at the very least a lieutenant with whom the Knights can get their foot into the door with.

That is what they're after. Because, as Cliora said, they don't even have hard evidence of this drug cartel actually existing - just that someone is making a whole lot of narcotics and are using adventurers as mules to move their product to the smaller networks of dealers. And Segrit has been implied to be the biggest mule of them all.

Now please stop. I've completely invalidated all of your arguments, and I've even provided IRL source materials to back up everything I've been saying. You no longer have a leg to stand on here, and anything further at this point is just your own cognitive rigidity flying in the face of reality.
 

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