S-Kyuu Boukensha ga Ayumu Michi: Tsuihou Sareta Shounen wa Shin no Nouryoku 'Buki Master' de Sekai Saikyou ni Itaru - Vol. 2 Ch. 6.2

[Someone011]

It is a completely biaised prediction based on many novels and mangas where the party who kicked MC out is just there to make MC look good afterwards. People want Sasha to look bad to make MC look better.

I am going to guess that you don't know what biased means. Biased means that I for whatever reason support the male MC over the female MC , and through that bias I desire the female MC to lose, and that is not the case.
I literally used the multitude of tropes that plague such mange of the type "People thought I was powerless and/or useless, but apparently I had an OP ability that I didn't know how to use yet", to make my prediction.

 

[Someone011]

When I say she ain't a fraud, she literally ain't a fraud cause she haven't lost a fair fight, even in the web novels, and when that one time she loses it was declared a draw. Sasha's party is literally just 99% Sasha the 1 percent is the other members. She has as much of a plot armor as Haise. I mean, Sacred and all of the S Class pretty much have built in plot armor, they barely loses any fight like at all. The demons are the ones that are frauds in this series they literally haven't won shit like at all.

But, Sasha is weaker than the MC in terms of "power" by default. It doesn't matter how skilled one is in the blade and magic when Haise can literally pull and frigin RPG out of his ass (I know it's the book btw) and decimate everything, even a Dragon whose existence made an entire area a "no go zone", and I am not saying this because Sasha's character has been set up to royally fuck up with how she treated Haise, even though she meant well.

And from what I've seen Sasha's party does way more than be the 1% of the fighting power of the party. Sure she is the main DPS, but having a tank and a buff supporter, a ranger and a healer (and whomever can literally create a double of one of the team members...now THAT can be a cheat ability if I ever saw one) helps a lot especially in creating openings for her to effectively attack , buffing and healing her.
I truly believe the author wanted the disparity of power between the two protagonists, to showcase how both ways of the protagonists do combat are "right". Mostly so the reader can wonder what would happen "if Haise had this power before being kicked out of the party" and not to cause any MC1 vs MC2 atmosphere.

P.S:Also, this is a question just for you @thatmanthatthat, since you have read at least part of the novel...does it bother you how they changed the character's personalities and watered down the more "gritty" aspects of certain moments?

Like how in his last meeting with Sasha, Haise asked was willing to offer her body to him in order to be forgiven, and she said yes(only for Haise to reply with contempt for her reply). Or how Presea was very nonchalant when she offered herself as a "night companion" to Haise as repayment for taking her along with him. Because I have to admit the little I read of the novel kinda makes me want to see that "un-sanitized" version.

 

[brocoli01]

Is she dumb or something? I mean, that guy has explain them how dangerous the demon was and she just attack the demon. Well, good luck or rest in peace

 

[Niviik]

I am going to guess that you don't know what biased means. Biased means that I for whatever reason support the male MC over the female MC , and through that bias I desire the female MC to lose, and that is not the case.
I literally used the multitude of tropes that plague such mange of the type "People thought I was powerless and/or useless, but apparently I had an OP ability that I didn't know how to use yet", to make my prediction.

Again, my comment wasn't targetted at you personally, but at the majority of the comments.

In the last chapter, people predicted that the party would fail against the golems because they want her to look incompetent. But that's not the case.

In this chapter, people say that she shouldn't fight the demon because it is too dangerous for her and her party. Letting the demon go is letting the demon make his plan come true and potentially condemn thousands of people. She is objectively making the right call. If it was MC in this situation, everybody would be hyped for MC beating the demon and saving the day. But because they don't like Sasha, they interpret everything she does as a bad decision.

Yes they thought Haize was useless before his ability awakened, and they were right. The proof is that the only thing he could do for two years was gathering herbs... Yes, she should have explained honestly to him that she didn't want him to go with their expedition because she was afraid that one day, they could't protect him and he would be killed instead of playing the role of the villain. Yes, she should have apologized for the toxic way she treated him when he was in the party. Yes, she should have made clear that they had no idea that there was a dragon there and that she only told him to go there to help him gain a bit of extra money.

But none of that makes her party too weak to take on a demon. If it was MC, people would predict that he will kill the demon, but because she treated the MC badly and didn't apologize, people want her to look bad.

 

[Niviik]

I would disagree about 'People just want her to look bad to make the MC Look better'. People want Sasha to have consequences of her actions and as someone who was read 300+ chapters of the WN, the story needs it. Not now, but later.

Also, from a writing perspective, Sasha should be more cautious since she recently met Haise and her lame excuse of banishing him was for his safety. Towards the golems, it was fine since she had a plan but for the demon she should have considered Tycoons advice a little bit especially this is the first occurrence of a demon and they have two royals in her party. An easy fix would have been if she considered retreating but Demon trolled them and had no intention of letting them out alive rather than provoking him.

If they decide to retreat, that means that they let the demon get away with the cristal. Mining here without authorisation is punishable by death. So she is doing a proper job.

If the demon can leave with the cristal, he can maybe make a magic bomb that can kill thousands of people in an instant, or he can create a portal that can allow the demon army to appear inside the capital, or he can summon Ctulluh,... we don't know what the demon will do, but it is certain that an ennemy of humanity should not leave this cave alive. She's doing the right call, and if it was MC, nobody would question this decision.

Kicking Haize out of the party for his safety was also objectively the right call. It's the way she told him, trying to make herself look like the villain instead of explaining that she cared about him, that was wrong.

They also have plenty of experience fighting while protecting someone weaker thaks to Haize. And the two royal kids, are more usefull in a fight than Haize, even if they are not high level adventurers.

I agree with the fact that Sasha needs to have more consequences for the way she treated Haize. But having her letting a demon get away and kill thousands of innocents is not a good way to do so.

 

[CommanderYammarkX6]

If they decide to retreat, that means that they let the demon get away with the cristal. Mining here without authorisation is punishable by death. So she is doing a proper job.

If the demon can leave with the cristal, he can maybe make a magic bomb that can kill thousands of people in an instant, or he can create a portal that can allow the demon army to appear inside the capital, or he can summon Ctulluh,... we don't know what the demon will do, but it is certain that an ennemy of humanity should not leave this cave alive. She's doing the right call, and if it was MC, nobody would question this decision.

Kicking Haize out of the party for his safety was also objectively the right call. It's the way she told him, trying to make herself look like the villain instead of explaining that she cared about him, that was wrong.

They also have plenty of experience fighting while protecting someone weaker thaks to Haize. And the two royal kids, are more usefull in a fight than Haize, even if they are not high level adventurers.

I agree with the fact that Sasha needs to have more consequences for the way she treated Haize. But having her letting a demon get away and kill thousands of innocents is not a good way to do so.

I'm arguing that characters should be consistently written.

Let's say that Haise allowed Persea to join him easily by just politely asking. That would be inconsistent with his character. In fact, I do hope he chastise her a bit for hiding that she was royalty in the following chapters. There are a lot consequences he would had faced if she died along the way or did not gave her the flower to save the Queen like the Elf Country would become hostile towards him and the Kingdom.

Back to Sasha, she just needs to consider Tycoon's advice rather than dismissing it easily and think about the safety of her team. She does not have to retreat, just consider it. She could also contemplate your scenario that's why she wasn't willing to let the Demon go. This would at least show that she learned something from handling Haise's situation and not be shown as a reckless leader.

 

[Niviik]

I'm arguing that characters should be consistently written.

Let's say that Haise allowed Persea to join him easily by just politely asking. That would be inconsistent with his character. In fact, I do hope he chastise her a bit for hiding that she was royalty in the following chapters. There are a lot consequences he would had faced if she died along the way or did not gave her the flower to save the Queen like the Elf Country would become hostile towards him and the Kingdom.

Back to Sasha, she just needs to consider Tycoon's advice rather than dismissing it easily and think about the safety of her team. She does not have to retreat, just consider it. She could also contemplate your scenario that's why she wasn't willing to let the Demon go. This would at least show that she learned something from handling Haise's situation and not be shown as a reckless leader.

I don't see how the fact that she is a dumb tsundere who can't express her feelings has anything to do with being able to take on the demon or not.

Their mission is to check on the mine because of suspect activity and subdue the golems. They explain that it is forbidden to go inside this mine without authorisation and that the sentence for that is death. There is not much to argue about that. I haven't read this scene in the novel, but it is common for mangas to cut the inner thoughts of characters in the novels. She might have had those thoughts. I just think that her quick decision is completely coherent with her being described as a serious and competent first tier adventurer. Taking important decisions quickly and taking the blame in cas of failure is the job of the party leader.

At this point of the story, I think that there is nothing she can say or do that will make Haize want to listen to her. I think he has to meet new people who he will slowly trust to realize that not everybody is against him and that maybe Sarah didn't try to kill him with the dragon.

But there is the trope that the leader who banished MC has to be beaten to a pulp to understand that MC was awesome... She already knows that she did everything wrong, but if she is not humiliated and officially recognized as inferior to MC, people complain about the lack of consequences for her actions. So to me, the consequences she should face should be the new members of MC's team telling her directly that she was a horrible person for how she treated him. That's the kind of consequences that fits the terrible things she did to Haize.

 

[CommanderYammarkX6]

I don't see how the fact that she is a dumb tsundere who can't express her feelings has anything to do with being able to take on the demon or not.

I never said this. I only said she should be more cautious. If you meant the other commentators well...

There is not much to argue about that. I haven't read this scene in the novel, but it is common for mangas to cut the inner thoughts of characters in the novels. She might have had those thoughts. I just think that her quick decision is completely coherent with her being described as a serious and competent first tier adventurer. Taking important decisions quickly and taking the blame in cas of failure is the job of the party leader.

Then the author failed to make her somewhat likable. Like you mentioned a few comments back, people already have first bad impression towards her and now she is portrayed as an adventurer that is reckless so people will continue to dislike her. This is a bad position for a Deuteragonist.

I also reread the WN's version of Chapter 23. It's pretty much 1-1 minus the Demon saying that it is only for resource gathering.

Spoiler: WN

“Glasses guy, you’re impressive. That praise puts me in a good mood. Fine, I’ll let you all go. I only came to collect high-purity crystals, after all.”

Crane shooed them off with a wave of his hand.

But Sasha didn’t budge.

“Answer me one thing. What do you plan to do with those crystals?”

“Nothing major. Magical ships… though you wouldn’t understand. They’re used as core components. We don’t have such high-purity crystals in the Demon Realm.”

“…I see.”

“The Human Realm is a treasure trove of resources. To us demons, it’s a garden of riches. If you don’t interfere, I won’t crush you like bugs. Just go.”

At this point of the story, I think that there is nothing she can say or do that will make Haize want to listen to her. I think he has to meet new people who he will slowly trust to realize that not everybody is against him and that maybe Sarah didn't try to kill him with the dragon.

Haise already knows this because of Geist both here and in the WN. Honestly, his hatred should be focused on Sasha not being a friend rather than being expelled.

She already knows that she did everything wrong

Not yet at this point of the story. In the WN, this was never resolved because Haise mellowed quickly as early as Chapter 10 so there was no reason for her to realize it.

but if she is not humiliated and officially recognized as inferior to MC, people complain about the lack of consequences for her actions.

Most of the people that complain about lack of consequences have read the WN like me. To be honest.

Spoiler: WN

She is basically a mary-sue there. She does get humiliated but only for fan service reasons.

So to me, the consequences she should face should be the new members of MC's team telling her directly that she was a horrible person for how she treated him. That's the kind of consequences that fits the terrible things she did to Haize.

Agreed.

 

[Niviik]

“Nothing major. Magical ships… though you wouldn’t understand. They’re used as core components. We don’t have such high-purity crystals in the Demon Realm.”

This sounds like foreshadowing of invasion to me. Plus, I don't expect the demon to be honest about his intentions.

Most of the comments here are predicting that they are going to get destroyed by the demon and that she should have left when the demon let them. Taking quick decisions is the role of the leader. I don't think she is reckless. They are an S-rank party, who is going to fight demons if not them? It would be different if they were a C or B-rank party where the priority would be to survive to warn the Guild that demons are plotting something.

For the reader, it is clear that she is not a bad person and she never meant harm to the MC.
But people hate her personality, so they wish for her to fail, they don't want her to have good things happening to her, they don't want her to grow. Like you said, the author failed ro make her likable, but she is not a rotten person like the common trope of the leader who banishes MC and fails everything once MC has left the party.

They like MC, so they would be rooting for him if he did the same thing.
No one would say that he should be more cautious. And MC is way more reckless than her as he is taking S-rank quests solo.
At least he refuses to take the princess with him, using the fact that he can't guarantee the safety (from himself) of the princess, but it sounds more like it's a bother to him to have to babysit someone during his quest.

 

[Kshatria]

never seen a "reasonable" demon in manga before
and she just blew it up, like usual

 

[Someone011]

Again, my comment wasn't targetted at you personally, but at the majority of the comments.

In the last chapter, people predicted that the party would fail against the golems because they want her to look incompetent. But that's not the case.

In this chapter, people say that she shouldn't fight the demon because it is too dangerous for her and her party. Letting the demon go is letting the demon make his plan come true and potentially condemn thousands of people. She is objectively making the right call. If it was MC in this situation, everybody would be hyped for MC beating the demon and saving the day. But because they don't like Sasha, they interpret everything she does as a bad decision.

Yes they thought Haize was useless before his ability awakened, and they were right. The proof is that the only thing he could do for two years was gathering herbs... Yes, she should have explained honestly to him that she didn't want him to go with their expedition because she was afraid that one day, they could't protect him and he would be killed instead of playing the role of the villain. Yes, she should have apologized for the toxic way she treated him when he was in the party. Yes, she should have made clear that they had no idea that there was a dragon there and that she only told him to go there to help him gain a bit of extra money.

But none of that makes her party too weak to take on a demon. If it was MC, people would predict that he will kill the demon, but because she treated the MC badly and didn't apologize, people want her to look bad.

Seeing the next part of the manga, I was correct, her party did have to pull out all the stops in order to defeat the demon and even then they failed to strike a decisive blow and kill him and that because the demon took them lightly.

This is not an "attack" on Sasha's party, but rather a choice from the author. Could they have killed him in the last panel instead of looking at him as he was dishing out the typical "You'll regret this" spiel? yes. Did they do it? No,they just let him leave, even though Sasha is within striking distance.
And we know that the male MC would have just fired until the demon was dead and would do so without breaking a sweat, because the author wants him to be a no-nonsense "job is done" OP character.

Again, I am not predicting the skill of the party, just the predictability of the author's writing.

 

[Niviik]

Seeing the next part of the manga, I was correct, her party did have to pull out all the stops in order to defeat the demon and even then they failed to strike a decisive blow and kill him and that because the demon took them lightly.

This is not an "attack" on Sasha's party, but rather a choice from the author. Could they have killed him in the last panel instead of looking at him as he was dishing out the typical "You'll regret this" spiel? yes. Did they do it? No,they just let him leave, even though Sasha is within striking distance.
And we know that the male MC would have just fired until the demon was dead and would do so without breaking a sweat, because the author wants him to be a no-nonsense "job is done" OP character.

Again, I am not predicting the skill of the party, just the predictability of the author's writing.

Yeah I get what you mean, and I never thought that she would one shot the demon like she did with the golems. But in the end, they managed to stop the plan of the demon, they repelled him, nobody has been hurt and the royal kids have had a very rich experience to show them the importance of the adventurers for the kingdom. It is a result close to perfect if you assume the ammount of things that went differently from what was planned/asked for them.

I was simply ranting about the comments of this chapter in general.

In part 1, everybody said that they would fail to kill the golems because there was 7 golems instead of 1 and that Sarah was stupid for not calling out the mission.
In part 2, everybody said that she was stupid to engage the fight against the demon and that some of her teammates were going to be killed if MC didn't show up to save the day.
And part 3 didn't disappoint. They are calling her stupid for not finishing the demon and some even expect her to be punished for that. From the comments of part 3, it looks like they manage to kill the demon in the novel. But if she did finish the demon, I'm sure comments would call her a Mary Sue.

No matter what she does, she can never be right. But it's probably going to be like that for all chapters about Sasha and her party.

 

[Kibou]

There is no need for an apology from the other 4 tbh.

Reynold only followed orders
Tycoon was logical
Robin was in favor of him
Piazolla is not even worth it

Sasha was the one who expelled and gave him the tip that almost led to his demise then ghosted him because she did not want to deal with the consequences.

I think that about that point where she went on a mission after that accident with the beast, it was for her to clear her mind and think more clearly because at that time there was no way, but in my opinion I think she must have tried to talk to him but when she tried she was afraid of being rejected and gave up, and so this went on for 2 years and because of that it only made things worse, besides that even in the end when she managed to talk to him, she gave the final blow with her words.

 

[Souivne]

This is just a theory, what if demons feared guns from the previous wielder and the current wielder of weapon master, hyce could be the only one who can kill this high class demon

 

[wallsg]

never seen a "reasonable" demon in manga before
and she just blew it up, like usual

 

[danthemanz]

"Sasha, that's a demon! You know the thing that can take on hundreds or thousands of humans! Maybe we should think about this..."

"I appreciate the compliment. Just for that, i'll let everyone of you insects go. You should feel honored since i almost never-"

"SCREW THAT! RUN THEM HANDS!"

I get that she has the power to back up her words. But aggroing an enemy that has the potential to wipe out thousands while having royalty in the front lines...?

I have no words.