Saikin Haitta Shiro Madoushi ga Party Crusher de, Ore no Isekai Boukensha Seikatsu ga Houkai ni Kiki na Ken ni Tsuite - Ch. 17 - Transmigrator and Tr…

[lingser12]

i can fix her

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[vickerfinal]

"bUt ShE dIdN't AcTuAlLy KiLl hIm!!!11!"
So we should pardon Charles Manson in that case, right? Cause he didn't actually kill anyone, he just manipulated people into doing the killings. If you say "well that's not the same thing", you are being willfully hypocritical. The only way to excuse Aisu is if future chapters clarify on the events leading up to Toma's death and do show that she had no intention of being a party crusher, that his "friends" did everything of their own free will. But as of this chapter, with the context that we have, we can safely assume that she manipulated his "friends" which caused his death. Just like how Manson manipulated people that caused deaths.

My guy, all she did was exist and the friends went wild. She didn't try to do anything. They killed her, and "NOW" she is angry after she died. The friends screwed the MC and HER. She liked the main character, friends didnt like that. Thats like your friends killing you because a girl like you, but then you blame her, how does that make sense?

 

[praisejesus]

Clearly, MC has read his bible and knows to forgive others no matter what. "Then Peter came up and said to him, 'Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?' Jesus said to him, 'I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times.'" - Matthew 18:21-22

 

[AncientWatcher]

Ah, she is a misandrist bitch. I see.

 

[SilverExp]

I don't even want MC to seek revenge or anything, just telling her to fuck off would suffice.

 

[Iamcheater]

My guy, all she did was exist and the friends went wild. She didn't try to do anything. They killed her, and "NOW" she is angry after she died. The friends screwed the MC and HER. She liked the main character, friends didnt like that. Thats like your friends killing you because a girl like you, but then you blame her, how does that make sense?

What??? Where did you even read that??? Touma said that she manipulated his friends and seduced them to cause the social "collapse". Never was it mentioned that she simply liked him and she was killed for that. On the first chapter we even get to see how she got on top of him, during office times and presumably instigated something there. In fact in the next panel she was smiling in a twisted way. Half the panel was her twisted smile with the other half was the same twisted expression from Maria. This is literally chapter 1!!!


Please tell me where did you even see this fanfiction you are describing??? Which chapter?

 

[Iamcheater]

The difference here is you're assuming she intentionally manipulated the other men with the intent to specifically kill Toma (or anyone). Circle Crushers break up a friend group, intentionally or not, but they're not cult leaders who mind control people into murder.

All we know is she was friendly with Toma, joined the group, the guys fought over her attention, leading to Toma's death (likely by accident. shoving around tracks/roads is dangerous, kids.) We also know that Toma believes the circle crushing was intentional, but from this chapter I'm doubting that's the case as she's clearly focused entirely on Toma as if she's trying to prove she's right.

Did nobody read chapter 1??? Did you not see how she smiled at the panel when she got on top of him??? That was literally the face she was making when Touma was looking at her. Why are you guys trying to exemplify the bitch?

And you know, Even if she wasn't trying to actually cause his death, "crushing" his social circle is literally evil intend! Doesn't matter if she wasn't thinking about murder, she indirectly caused it, cause she CHOSE to crash his social circle with manipulation! That's just pure malice!!!


Srsly are we reading different stories here?

 

[vickerfinal]

Did nobody read chapter 1??? Did you not see how she smiled at the panel when she got on top of him??? That was literally the face she was making when Touma was looking at her. Why are you guys trying to exemplify the bitch?

And you know, Even if she wasn't trying to actually cause his death, "crushing" his social circle is literally evil intend! Doesn't matter if she wasn't thinking about murder, she indirectly caused it, cause she CHOSE to crash his social circle with manipulation! That's just pure malice!!!


Srsly are we reading different stories here?

Are you tripping? She smiled, and said she will fall in love with him. Which she did. You never actually seen her do anything or manipulate anyone. What you do see is the main character "thinking" she did.

 

[vickerfinal]

Did nobody read chapter 1??? Did you not see how she smiled at the panel when she got on top of him??? That was literally the face she was making when Touma was looking at her. Why are you guys trying to exemplify the bitch?

And you know, Even if she wasn't trying to actually cause his death, "crushing" his social circle is literally evil intend! Doesn't matter if she wasn't thinking about murder, she indirectly caused it, cause she CHOSE to crash his social circle with manipulation! That's just pure malice!!!


Srsly are we reading different stories here?

You know how I know you can't trust the Main Character judgement that she did it? Because he died and never actually got the truth what actually happened. Only thing he could do is interpret on what he think that happened.

 

[vickerfinal]

Did nobody read chapter 1??? Did you not see how she smiled at the panel when she got on top of him??? That was literally the face she was making when Touma was looking at her. Why are you guys trying to exemplify the bitch?

And you know, Even if she wasn't trying to actually cause his death, "crushing" his social circle is literally evil intend! Doesn't matter if she wasn't thinking about murder, she indirectly caused it, cause she CHOSE to crash his social circle with manipulation! That's just pure malice!!!


Srsly are we reading different stories here?

And the main issue is, "SHE", never killed him. The men did. She is obviously trying to show the main character you can't trust your friends. THATS THE WHOLE THEME OF THIS MANGA. But main character is proving her wrong and that everyone is not the same. How can you think the story is about just a girl just being a bitch. Its a story, so there is obviously a "twist" knowing what actually happened. If she was just a bitch, there wouldn't even be no room to be talking to her now. She wouldn't be so honed in on the Main Character if she was just a "crusher". EVEN IF SHE DID CRUSH THE PARTY, how does that justify the Men to go out and kill them.

 

[Scipo0419]

Did nobody read chapter 1??? Did you not see how she smiled at the panel when she got on top of him??? That was literally the face she was making when Touma was looking at her. Why are you guys trying to exemplify the bitch?

And you know, Even if she wasn't trying to actually cause his death, "crushing" his social circle is literally evil intend! Doesn't matter if she wasn't thinking about murder, she indirectly caused it, cause she CHOSE to crash his social circle with manipulation! That's just pure malice!!!


Srsly are we reading different stories here?

I dont think youve heard of an "unreliable narrator" before. MCs view of the events is the only view we've seen and thats a biased POV. Author hasnt shown us the unbiased 3rd party POV nor have we been shown Her POV of the events yet, so we can only speculate the truth and take everything with a grain of salt.

 

[Iamcheater]

And the main issue is, "SHE", never killed him. The men did. She is obviously trying to show the main character you can't trust your friends. THATS THE WHOLE THEME OF THIS MANGA. But main character is proving her wrong and that everyone is not the same. How can you think the story is about just a girl just being a bitch. Its a story, so there is obviously a "twist" knowing what actually happened. If she was just a bitch, there wouldn't even be no room to be talking to her now. She wouldn't be so honed in on the Main Character if she was just a "crusher". EVEN IF SHE DID CRUSH THE PARTY, how does that justify the Men to go out and kill them.

So you are saying that from her perspective she was just being sweet to him but the MC misinterpreted her smile as malicious??? You actually think, that the author made the resemblance to match Maria's twister smile when she was trying to "seduce him", only to then show us that actually from Aisu's POV she was giving him a heartwarming smile and really was into him and just wanted to be lovey dovey????

This literally doesn't make sense and it's baseless conjecture at best. I am certain that they are going to somehow make her "join" his ranks but for whatever reason she did crash his social circle and probably didn't anticipate for both of them to get killed.

It can't be that she was a pure innocent girl but the author went out his way to portray her as he did. And then all this was not her previous personality but only her current personality. That's just too far fetched.

The only logical explanation is that she became twisted back in the original world l because of some stupid sob back story, she met MC at their common workplace, thought he was nice so decided to make him her toy, crashed his circle probably trying to achieve that goal of making him her toy and then unexpectedly he got them both killed which infuriated her. And now she wants to complete her original goal. But like a champ she will "fall for the power for friendship" that the MC exudes

I promise you that's what happened and what's going to happen.

This woman is twisted and clearly malicious and she's going to get some stupid redemption arc at the end and become his harem member

 

[Iamcheater]

I dont think youve heard of an "unreliable narrator" before. MCs view of the events is the only view we've seen and thats a biased POV. Author hasnt shown us the unbiased 3rd party POV nor have we been shown Her POV of the events yet, so we can only speculate the truth and take everything with a grain of salt.

Maybe there's a hidden element that was not made clear. But what is undisputed to my mind, is that this woman is clearly portrayed as a twisted personality. It matters not if there's a cause behind in her original past world that led her to treat Touma like she did, but the fact we recognize is that his social circle collapsed and the whole manga is about women trying to cause collapse of the MCs circle.

What's so difficult to accept? Don't worry if you like her that much she'll probably enter his harem in the very end but she's the undisputed villain of the manga and she was malicious on their previous life. We just don't know why.

 

[Iamcheater]

Are you tripping? She smiled, and said she will fall in love with him. Which she did. You never actually seen her do anything or manipulate anyone. What you do see is the main character "thinking" she did.

LOL THIS??? You are interpreting her smile in chapter one when she's half her and half Maria as a pure smile, innocent smile and then she simply fell for him???

Dudeeeeeee... Like is, this your first manga? Do you not recognize malicious intent on a smile? Like it's super obvious!!!!

https://imgur.com/a/6TgyuUI

This last panel??? She's not showing malice in that panel??? For real you can't see it? And what do you mean he was "thinking" that he said this??? She's literally on top of him 5 cm away from his face!!!!

 

[vickerfinal]

LOL THIS??? You are interpreting her smile in chapter one when she's half her and half Maria as a pure smile, innocent smile and then she simply fell for him???

Dudeeeeeee... Like is, this your first manga? Do you not recognize malicious intent on a smile? Like it's super obvious!!!!

https://imgur.com/a/6TgyuUI

This last panel??? She's not showing malice in that panel??? For real you can't see it? And what do you mean he was "thinking" that he said this??? She's literally on top of him 5 cm away from his face!!!!

Its this your first introduction to a story? Not everything is surface level. Just because something looks "malicious" doesn't mean it is. Did you actually seen proof "yet" that she did shit in the other world? No, your taking everything the main character said as facts. Watch there is going to be a flash back scene showing what actually happens and your going to be like, man this is so stupid or something. You have not seen proof. The only part you can actually say yea fuck her is for what she is doing now because she is actually doing shit "NOW". BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW MANGA OR ANY KIND OF STORY, the bad guy usually had something happened to them and everything is not what it seems. Maybe you just started reading manga, but if you're taking anything a Main Character says as facts from the start of a story, then you already set yourself up for failure.

 

[Iamcheater]

Its this your first introduction to a story? Not everything is surface level. Just because something looks "malicious" doesn't mean it is. Did you actually seen proof "yet" that she did shit in the other world? No, your taking everything the main character said as facts. Watch there is going to be a flash back scene showing what actually happens and your going to be like, man this is so stupid or something. You have not seen proof. The only part you can actually say yea fuck her is for what she is doing now because she is actually doing shit "NOW". BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW MANGA OR ANY KIND OF STORY, the bad guy usually had something happened to them and everything is not what it seems. Maybe you just started reading manga, but if you're taking anything a Main Character says as facts from the start of a story, then you already set yourself up for failure.

Maybe this is your first manga instead where you think every villain has a redeeming factor and needs a twist where they were actually good? Maybe you only read one piece where majority of evil guys end up becoming good cause "reasons"?

It's okay it's obvious you only read one type of manga or this is actually your first instead, let me explain: Sometimes in manga the villain gets a stupid sob story that explains why they treated the MC like they did and then the MC accepts said SOB story and forgives them. This is what this manga is going to pull off. Aishu probably got mistreated in the past before meeting the MC, so she decided to become a misandrist and cause harm to all men. She probably did that several times before the MC and once she did that to MC she was probably surprised that he continued being nice and that is when her "obsession" started to form. She miscalculated and got murdered by the victims of the collapsed groups getting the MC also murdered in the process. Also another thing you should learn about manga is that on some occasions people are evil just to be evil. They don't always have a sob story to redeem themselves and there are many cases like that. I believe that Aishu will be given a sob story so she can join the MCs harem in the end but she did act out of malice prior to that. Doesn't matter what has driven the malice.

Now watch as this literally turns out to be the actual story and then you will say something like "God dang! As my first manga this was too much to predict. Maybe I should read something else than one piece to get more experience"

 

[cloud04]

now question is, how the hell did she get isekaid to the same place as him and seems to have been reincarnated even before him to have disciples already

 

[vickerfinal]

now question is, how the hell did she get isekaid to the same place as him and seems to have been reincarnated even before him to have disciples already

She was probably killed by the same people who killed the main character

 

[vickerfinal]

Maybe this is your first manga instead where you think every villain has a redeeming factor and needs a twist where they were actually good? Maybe you only read one piece where majority of evil guys end up becoming good cause "reasons"?

It's okay it's obvious you only read one type of manga or this is actually your first instead, let me explain: Sometimes in manga the villain gets a stupid sob story that explains why they treated the MC like they did and then the MC accepts said SOB story and forgives them. This is what this manga is going to pull off. Aishu probably got mistreated in the past before meeting the MC, so she decided to become a misandrist and cause harm to all men. She probably did that several times before the MC and once she did that to MC she was probably surprised that he continued being nice and that is when her "obsession" started to form. She miscalculated and got murdered by the victims of the collapsed groups getting the MC also murdered in the process. Also another thing you should learn about manga is that on some occasions people are evil just to be evil. They don't always have a sob story to redeem themselves and there are many cases like that. I believe that Aishu will be given a sob story so she can join the MCs harem in the end but she did act out of malice prior to that. Doesn't matter what has driven the malice.

Now watch as this literally turns out to be the actual story and then you will say something like "God dang! As my first manga this was too much to predict. Maybe I should read something else than one piece to get more experience"

We can just bet. I know for sure I'm right. The seed has already been planted through the story that I am right.

 

[LavSingh]

that bitch needs to get brought down at least 1 more time