Sakura-chan to Amane-kun - Ch. 8

[rhodiridium]

It's stupid, insensitive, and rude; to see just how awful it really is go look at the other TL page for this chapter and compare the two. One is wholesome, cute, and supportive of LGBTQ+ people, the other is a shitty overused joke made at the expense of an oppressed minority.

P.S. This isn't the first time Kaarme has posted such transphobic bullshit in the comments on this series. Idk what the moderation policy is but I suggest y'all report and ignore.

 

[Denrick19]

@EvelynIsGone @rhodiridium I can totally see why someone can find the joke insensitive rude and stupid, I didn't find it funny but I don't find it to be something to really care about. I'm just more tolerant to edgy/unfunny humor then most people probably not to the point of defending using a slur, but to the extent of something like this chapter.

Different jokes for different folks I guess

 

[EvelynIsGone]

@Denrick19 I mean, I just think that if you're trans, and you've personally been compared to a crossdresser by people who dislike you (which isn't an uncommon thing at all for people to go through), it's not cool to see it happening again, even as a joke, yeah? And it's probably even less cool to see here of all places, considering the manga's content.

Not saying you have to personally be offended by it or anything, you're probably not personally affected by any of this shit at all, just explaining how it's not unreasonable for other people to be.

 

[Denrick19]

@Evelynisgone Thinking about it You're totally right here actually the joke probably should have been put in a actual trap x reverse trap thing considering that trans people would probably be put off by having a it in a.....trans manga.

My bad

 

[Kaarme]

@Denrick19 Yeah, it certainly wasn't my brightest day, I was like a n00b getting pulled along by a troll like that. Fortunately EvelynIsGone lost their edge towards the end, which returned my wits to me.

 

[Nari]

@EvelynIsGone

From an outside observer's pov the MCs of this series are a trap and a reverse trap.

maybe if they didn't read the story yes

i believe they meant "outside perspective" storywise, the other characters in the story seeing them on their dates


dont get me wrong, im literally a Transwoman myself, i know the nuances in the community, however i, as a transwoman, do not feel the joke was targeted at me myself, but rather at the concept that in 2019 we are now getting "straight dating with a plottwist!" .. i personally love genderbending and crossdressing manga/anime/novels, but even i feel weird about all these novels, it makes me feel like a commodity, like my situation is being used as a sort of "joke" or "plottwist" .... why write a story where the girl is AMAB and the guy is AFAB? the situation would be no different to a AFAB girl x AMAB boy to outsiders, its just a boy and a girl dating (granted some unique circumstances)

idk, maybe its my autism kicking in, but the last page did not seem like a joke about the story in particular but rather the concept in the anime industry itself for writing a lot about trans characters (almost always called "traps or crossdressers" by the industry)

think about it, if the TL really had bad intentions about the stories characters, why would they TL it? idk about you, but i wouldnt TL a story with characters i didnt like or thought ill of

 

[EvelynIsGone]

@Nari

why write a story where the girl is AMAB and the guy is AFAB? the situation would be no different to a AFAB girl x AMAB boy to outsiders, its just a boy and a girl dating (granted some unique circumstances)

I think you just answered the question yourself. Trans people face unique circumstances. So that makes this a unique story. And I believe this is one that has a great understanding and sympathy for its characters.

the last page did not seem like a joke about the story in particular

i seriously doubt that

think about it, if the TL really had bad intentions about the stories characters, why would they TL it? idk about you, but i wouldnt TL a story with characters i didnt like or thought ill of

I'm not suggesting the TL hates trans people. I don't think anyone here is. Just that labeling these characters "trap" and "reverse trap" is inaccurate to what they are. The TL can just have misinterpreted these characters, or perhaps just misused the terms here. It's not an uncommon thing.



@Kaarme lmao

 

[Nari]

@EvelynIsGone well im just going to assume the TL misused the terms, im not going to berate them for it, its not something hard to misues especially when a lot of transppl like myself dont mind being called a trap (i personally find it a compliment, since the definition of a trap implies that one actually passes as a girl, which for someone trying to pass is a compliment)
though more education should be given around the terms and when its appropriate to use them, i think that in the current point of time calling sakura a trap isnt bad as iirc sakura does not really want to be a girl (atleast, not right now they dont seem to know what they want) but amane definately shouldnt be called a reverse trap (unless they dont mind it, but we cant know that)

 

[EvelynIsGone]

@Nari

a lot of transppl like myself dont mind being called a trap (i personally find it a compliment, since the definition of a trap implies that one actually passes as a girl, which for someone trying to pass is a compliment)

I think it should be understandable why trans women usually don't want to be likened to cis crossdressing men, or otherwise reduced to their appearance and genitalia, but you do you. As long as you recognize that isn't most people's cup of tea.

sakura does not really want to be a girl (atleast, not right now they dont seem to know what they want)

I'm not gonna say "this is probably not how Sakura is going to stay considering the evidence" because that's a whole other argument but I believe that the translator giving a definitive one-sided label to a character who is questioning their identity, one that hasn't been given by the author or the story, is a bad idea, because it can... well, end up to be wrong.

 

[Nasuro]

no one in the world holds this belief.

There are some country hold that belief, uncultured western