Saotome Senshu, Hitakakusu - Vol. 10 Ch. 118 - Saotome Senshu, Willpower
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He may lose but he already made the guy slip up again. The entire point of this fight was he wanted a perfect win. But now that has been thrown out.
Y'all must realize these martial artist often have huge as fuck ego. There are of course those with good sportsmanship, but a lot of them have the ego which hit the sky and believe themselves to be the greatest fighter alive.
It makes sense that they think that way, because you have to believe yourself to be the best in order to survive and conquer your enemies in that sort of competitive business
It makes sense that they think that way, because you have to believe yourself to be the best in order to survive and conquer your enemies in that sort of competitive business
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Weird. I think MC will win this one. If not, I'd be interested if his career will never take off when his girlfriend's will. Sounds like it could make for an interesting story.
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You 2 are acting like he wants the MC DEAD.
The guy understands how tough and unforgiving this sport is
Therefore, he is hungry to make up for past fuck ups FAIR and SQUARE.
Rather than brush the knock down off as a fluke he acknowledged the fact this dude with inferior power and stamina knocked him on his ass. Is it petty and the sign of perfectionism? Hell yes, but that doesn't suddenly make him a villan, just super competitive. Which is something ya need to win in this sport.
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You 2 are acting like he wants the MC DEAD.
The guy understands how tough and unforgiving this sport is
Therefore, he is hungry to make up for past fuck ups FAIR and SQUARE.
Rather than brush the knock down off as a fluke he acknowledged the fact this dude with inferior power and stamina knocked him on his ass. Is it petty and the sign of perfectionism? Hell yes, but that doesn't suddenly make him a villan, just super competitive. Which is something ya need to win in this sport.
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You get what I mean.
REAL Pro Fighters are ALWAYS gonna be this hungry for greatness.
REAL pros will wanna stomp out any HINT of doubt that they can be and are the Champ.
That's why Satoru is such a let down now compared to when he first met his girl. He lost his hunger for VICTORY and that's gonna keep coming back to bite him until he gets it back.
in the words of one stubborn retired boxer as he watched his student struggle against a desperate fighter
"This isn't determination it's obsession! And the higher ya go the more stubborn they get!"
You get what I mean.
REAL Pro Fighters are ALWAYS gonna be this hungry for greatness.
REAL pros will wanna stomp out any HINT of doubt that they can be and are the Champ.
That's why Satoru is such a let down now compared to when he first met his girl. He lost his hunger for VICTORY and that's gonna keep coming back to bite him until he gets it back.
in the words of one stubborn retired boxer as he watched his student struggle against a desperate fighter
"This isn't determination it's obsession! And the higher ya go the more stubborn they get!"
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How?
Who the heck is this man hurting by doing this?
He respectfully asked for a rematch. A mutually beneficial offer that gives both fighters something to gain.
Came into this fully prepared for a clean fight
And keeps any toxic tendencies to himself and(most importantly) in the ring.
The shit Bakugou and Sendou have done is over the top
This is the tamest and most level headed approach to pettiness I have ever seen in fiction
And u 3 are acting like this guy has broken the rules or somehow FORCED Satoru into this match
How?
Who the heck is this man hurting by doing this?
He respectfully asked for a rematch. A mutually beneficial offer that gives both fighters something to gain.
Came into this fully prepared for a clean fight
And keeps any toxic tendencies to himself and(most importantly) in the ring.
The shit Bakugou and Sendou have done is over the top
This is the tamest and most level headed approach to pettiness I have ever seen in fiction
And u 3 are acting like this guy has broken the rules or somehow FORCED Satoru into this match
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But that entire argument hinges on the unconfirm and assumption that he thinks like that. That would be literally stereotyping him based on the fact he wants to beat the one guy who he couldn't KO and knocked him down. Then assuming he looks down on every single one of his opponents based on this one instance. At know point does he label this as an injustice. This entire match was set up so he can prove to himself that he can in fact beat this guy. Period. So no, its not the same kind of thing.
I recognize them as toxic Tendencies but I also acknowledge the fact that he is mature enough to keep that shit under control. None of that BS shit talking before a match. No unessary bets tacked onto the fight. The guy who conducts himself as a sane human being instead of letting pettiness ruin him will always be the better alternative.
Even by real world standards this is tame as fuck. Worst case scenario that we're going to get from this guy is he loses and a competitive rivalry starts between him and Satoru. Worst case scenario when u beat other people in real life? Some idiot brings a group to jump u, some punk brings a weapon next time, they come back for more via sneak attack, or they bring an older/stronger friend to beat u up. If this guy was some sort of threat the writer would've protested or confirmed it. So far all we got is a competitive high school student.
I get what u mean. But it really makes me roll my eyes when people start saying they hate characters for stuff like this but legit murderers and total dirtbags get off scott free.
But that entire argument hinges on the unconfirm and assumption that he thinks like that. That would be literally stereotyping him based on the fact he wants to beat the one guy who he couldn't KO and knocked him down. Then assuming he looks down on every single one of his opponents based on this one instance. At know point does he label this as an injustice. This entire match was set up so he can prove to himself that he can in fact beat this guy. Period. So no, its not the same kind of thing.
I recognize them as toxic Tendencies but I also acknowledge the fact that he is mature enough to keep that shit under control. None of that BS shit talking before a match. No unessary bets tacked onto the fight. The guy who conducts himself as a sane human being instead of letting pettiness ruin him will always be the better alternative.
Even by real world standards this is tame as fuck. Worst case scenario that we're going to get from this guy is he loses and a competitive rivalry starts between him and Satoru. Worst case scenario when u beat other people in real life? Some idiot brings a group to jump u, some punk brings a weapon next time, they come back for more via sneak attack, or they bring an older/stronger friend to beat u up. If this guy was some sort of threat the writer would've protested or confirmed it. So far all we got is a competitive high school student.
I get what u mean. But it really makes me roll my eyes when people start saying they hate characters for stuff like this but legit murderers and total dirtbags get off scott free.
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@givemersspls you clearly don't know jack about boxing or boxers.
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Boxing requires the willingness and desire to hurt someone to the very best of your ability. It also requires a fearlessness of getting hurt. Often, boxers that suffer one particularly bad defeat never box professionally again, and not because they are injured. It is because in the back of their mind they have fear. Fear they could lose again, and fear they could be hurt or killed. The slightest hint of hesitation, remorse, or mercy and you have given your opponent the upper hand. That's not to say you behave unsportsmanly however, a good boxer can turn the bloodlust on and off like a tap. But if you don't turn the tap, you get hurt, and getting hurt causes fear, and fear loses matches. This is why this match is narratively important, overcoming a string of losses is an immense achievement few manage. Doing so to an opponent with strong motivation to bring you down is all the more remarkable.
Boxing requires the willingness and desire to hurt someone to the very best of your ability. It also requires a fearlessness of getting hurt. Often, boxers that suffer one particularly bad defeat never box professionally again, and not because they are injured. It is because in the back of their mind they have fear. Fear they could lose again, and fear they could be hurt or killed. The slightest hint of hesitation, remorse, or mercy and you have given your opponent the upper hand. That's not to say you behave unsportsmanly however, a good boxer can turn the bloodlust on and off like a tap. But if you don't turn the tap, you get hurt, and getting hurt causes fear, and fear loses matches. This is why this match is narratively important, overcoming a string of losses is an immense achievement few manage. Doing so to an opponent with strong motivation to bring you down is all the more remarkable.
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I never set out to criticise what you said, I was pointing out that what you are saying comes from a position of ignorance. None of what you are going on about matters. A boxer has to win, has to have the mindset to win, and that's all that matters. A knockdown puts the fear in you, getting over that fear is what matters. The reasons don't matter to a boxer, it's whatever reason gets them the win. Whatever reason puts the fight in him. Him going on about humiliation is a measure of his willingness to win, not a measure of his character.
I never set out to criticise what you said, I was pointing out that what you are saying comes from a position of ignorance. None of what you are going on about matters. A boxer has to win, has to have the mindset to win, and that's all that matters. A knockdown puts the fear in you, getting over that fear is what matters. The reasons don't matter to a boxer, it's whatever reason gets them the win. Whatever reason puts the fight in him. Him going on about humiliation is a measure of his willingness to win, not a measure of his character.
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"Him going on about humiliation is a measure of his willingness to win, not a measure of his character."
That's where you're not understanding. That's where the context is what matters. That's where you neglect to consider the context (a boxer, boxing) to make your statement about being "way over the top and completely uncalled for". It is not over the top nor uncalled for, it is necessary. It is clear that it is necessary if you consider the psyche of a fighter, as I've explained. Your assessment of his character neglects to appreciate the context and that is how I know you know jack about boxing.
Please submit any further questions privately, I'm not being held responsible for your flame war.
"Him going on about humiliation is a measure of his willingness to win, not a measure of his character."
That's where you're not understanding. That's where the context is what matters. That's where you neglect to consider the context (a boxer, boxing) to make your statement about being "way over the top and completely uncalled for". It is not over the top nor uncalled for, it is necessary. It is clear that it is necessary if you consider the psyche of a fighter, as I've explained. Your assessment of his character neglects to appreciate the context and that is how I know you know jack about boxing.
Please submit any further questions privately, I'm not being held responsible for your flame war.
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