Sasha-chan to Classmate Otaku-kun - Vol. 3 Ch. 37.5 - After the Marking.

[Speederzdk]

Well if you feel that way, I don't feel the need to change your mind. He's never lashed out. That's a bit dramatic, I'd say. It's never been a drama manga, so anything he's felt has been brief and quickly moved passed for their ecchi stuff and comedy. His interest in Sasha and what she does has always outweighed anything else. This is definitely not the first time he's shown interest in this stuff. Other than that, I don't want to go chapter by chapter with full analysis for a manga like this one. I think I write about it too much as is lol.

I don’t necessarily mean full lash out rage mode, but he has very obviously shown disdain towards her being with others.

As for the interest in Sasha, it has never felt like it was interest in that side of her at all. Sure he was thinking about it because he was confused about the overall situation, but it never felt like he was actively interested in her fucking around with others. It felt more like he was interested in the situations they together could think up, not scenarios she had been in.

 

[Dingo777]

My issue I suppose is that the author hasn’t been great at showing this. In the vast majority of scenarios, the MC absolutely abhor the thought of her with anyone else. He’s possessive, lashes out when he’s with her and others try to get with her and generally wants her for himself.

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Him being onboard like that is a complete 180 to me because this is the first time I notice he’s happy about something like this. And this isn’t some minor thing either. Maybe if it was a smaller thing like a date or something, but an implied threesome? No. He’s been more possessive and mad in much lesser moments. I don’t feel there’s been a gradual change, but maybe I completely missed something.

And yeah, I’m aware of who Sasha is as a character. The author would never allow her to be the one that changes, so obviously the MC is the one that has to degenerate to her level if they ever have to have a chance together. I guess I and others were expecting to tone it down, but he didn’t. Sure, he “gets to decide” but let’s be real, Hagu would never let the MC actively question if this is what he wants or not. He’s just going to act like the MC always wanted this.

There was never a timeline where Sasha ISNT fucking multiple dudes. It’s just a question of if MC will be involved. No one questions her actions no matter how dangerous and any attempt to do so is immediately looked down on as “forcing her to change who she is” never even considering that “who she is” right now is incredibly self destructive and the result of years of internalized abuse considering she’s literally a middle schooler and is not equipped to deal with this kinda shit. Girl needs therapy but this mangaka only has intentions of showing it in a positive light.

 

[SrNevik]

I don’t necessarily mean full lash out rage mode, but he has very obviously shown disdain towards her being with others.

As for the interest in Sasha, it has never felt like it was interest in that side of her at all. Sure he was thinking about it because he was confused about the overall situation, but it never felt like he was actively interested in her fucking around with others. It felt more like he was interested in the situations they together could think up, not scenarios she had been in.

Well that's part of the journey. As time passes and she gets more comfortable and has stronger feelings for him, she reveals more of herself since she feels safer to do so. He learns more and has normal human reactions at times but also finds that he enjoys these things as well and has to come to terms with that. He isn't forced to continue. He decides for himself that he wants to continue, like in 71.

It's not all going to happen at once, though. Have you been reading the series up to chapter 71? Evolution has been happening for a bit now and the author said around chapter 67 is now when Sasha has gotten very close to Master, from her POV this is a reflection of her growing feelings for him. It just manifests in this crazy ecchi stuff because that's what their relationship will be like. Embracing their wild sides is something Author has mentioned.

 

[Speederzdk]

Well that's part of the journey. As time passes and she gets more comfortable and has stronger feelings for him, she reveals more of herself since she feels safer to do so. He learns more and has normal human reactions at times but also finds that he enjoys these things as well and has to come to terms with that. He isn't forced to continue. He decides for himself that he wants to continue, like in 71.

It's not all going to happen at once, though. Have you been reading the series up to chapter 71? Evolution has been happening for a bit now and the author said around chapter 67 is now when Sasha has gotten very close to Master, from her POV this is a reflection of her growing feelings for him. It just manifests in this crazy ecchi stuff because that's what their relationship will be like. Embracing their wild sides is something Author has mentioned.

I have been but as I can’t read japanese, it’s all been analyzing facial expressions and overall tones. It’s very obvious that Sasha wants to show more of herself the more she likes him, but it’s the MC I have a problem with. It doesn’t generally feel like he loves much of it in any way. Sure he will always accept it because that’s how Hagu is going to make it go, but it doesn’t feel genuine, you know? This may be due to me lacking context of his inner thoughts outside of the few snippets I see translated here or there.

On another note is that it also feels like it’s only ever the MC conforming to her side and not really vice-versa here.

 

[Speederzdk]

There was never a timeline where Sasha ISNT fucking multiple dudes. It’s just a question of if MC will be involved. No one questions her actions no matter how dangerous and any attempt to do so is immediately looked down on as “forcing her to change who she is” never even considering that “who she is” right now is incredibly self destructive and the result of years of internalized abuse considering she’s literally a middle schooler and is not equipped to deal with this kinda shit. Girl needs therapy but this mangaka only has intentions of showing it in a positive light.

Yeah, I’m pretty aware. I wasn’t expecting the author to tone down her past or whatever, just maybe let some of the vanilla romcom shine through with this MC. But nah, the MC needs to be dragged down to her levels for it to be happy I guess because god forbid you go a bit more vanilla with it when it’s about two kids.

 

[SrNevik]

I have been but as I can’t read japanese, it’s all been analyzing facial expressions and overall tones. It’s very obvious that Sasha wants to show more of herself the more she likes him, but it’s the MC I have a problem with. It doesn’t generally feel like he loves much of it in any way. Sure he will always accept it because that’s how Hagu is going to make it go, but it doesn’t feel genuine, you know? This may be due to me lacking context of his inner thoughts outside of the few snippets I see translated here or there.

On another note is that it also feels like it’s only ever the MC conforming to her side and not really vice-versa here.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether he's down with it. It feels genuine to me, especially with how it's slowly transitioned from denegerate ecchi manga work to denegerate in real life. He's always been denegerate. As for moving in her direction, yeah. She's nudging him along like any outgoing female MC does for her introverted, nerdy MC. This time involves deviancy but the basic idea is the same. You might view that as a bad thing, but the story doesn't present it that way. He gets happier over time with Sasha and enjoys what she does--the line at the end of 71, but also other times he's thought about it. There'll be hiccups but that's always stuff to overcome. If that's a bit much though, its understandable.

 

[Speederzdk]

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether he's down with it. It feels genuine to me, especially with how it's slowly transitioned from denegerate ecchi manga work to denegerate in real life. He's always been denegerate. As for moving in her direction, yeah. She's pulling him along like any outgoing female MC does for her introverted, nerdy MC. This time involves deviancy but the basic idea is the same. You might view that as a bad thing, but the story doesn't present it that way.

I wouldn’t expect it to be presented in a bad way. If anything I’d like more introspection from the MC, aka questioning if he actually wants her for himself or is completely fine with what she does, but Hagu wouldn’t ever dare question whether or not what Sasha does is a bad thing, so obviously that’s not going to happen. It doesn’t feel like their journey, it feels like his journey down to her level. But I suppose that’s how Hagu be doing it. I’ll wait for chapter 72 to see how he does this, to see whether I drop or stay hanging for now.

 

[Dingo777]

Yeah, I’m pretty aware. I wasn’t expecting the author to tone down her past or whatever, just maybe let some of the vanilla romcom shine through with this MC. But nah, the MC needs to be dragged down to her levels for it to be happy I guess because god forbid you go a bit more vanilla with it when it’s about two kids.

Gender-swapped Metamorphosis written by an author with zero self-awareness

 

[SrNevik]

I wouldn’t expect it to be presented in a bad way. If anything I’d like more introspection from the MC, aka questioning if he actually wants her for himself or is completely fine with what she does, but Hagu wouldn’t ever dare question whether or not what Sasha does is a bad thing, so obviously that’s not going to happen. It doesn’t feel like their journey, it feels like his journey down to her level. But I suppose that’s how Hagu be doing it. I’ll wait for chapter 72 to see how he does this, to see whether I drop or stay hanging for now.

For her it's a journey about her growing feelings for Master. For Master its about recognizing and accepting that denegerate part of himself. So, they have two journeys but not the same type. I'd say she's done plenty of things as a result of her fondness for Master. You're right, though, Hagu won't view Sasha negatively. But again, even saying "down to her level," is part of the disconnect. If you view it that way, then yeah you'll be uncomfortable and that's fair. The series will always be a romantic comedy, so I wouldn't expect anything overly dramatic. It's meant to be lighthearted.

 

[Speederzdk]

For her it's a journey about her growing feelings for Master. For Master its about recognizing and accepting that denegerate part of himself. So, they have two journeys but not the same type. I'd say she's done plenty of things as a result of her fondness for Master. You're right, though, Hagu won't view Sasha negatively. The series will always be a romcom, so I wouldn't expect anything overly dramatic. It's meant to be lighthearted.

Her journey about her feelings just seem so much lesser because all she’s really doing it letting the MC in on stuff she has regularly done with other people. That’s probably why it doesn’t feel like a journey to me. Sure, she likes him more and more but outside of that then what really? She likes him more so therefore the MC will be dragged in with the fuckbuddies? Is that really it? Feels so lame. She doesn’t really change. Now if she conformed to the MC slightly, I’d probably be more inclined to calling it a journey. It takes two to tango, but right now it feels like the MC is getting ragdolled by her with no input of his own.

 

[SrNevik]

Her journey about her feelings just seem so much lesser because all she’s really doing it letting the MC in on stuff she has regularly done with other people. That’s probably why it doesn’t feel like a journey to me. Sure, she likes him more and more but outside of that then what really? She likes him more so therefore the MC will be dragged in with the fuckbuddies? Is that really it? Feels so lame.

The story isn't nearly done and based on what the author has said, it's only going to get more lovey dovey between them as it goes along. Whether you stick for that is up to you though.

 

[Speederzdk]

The story isn't nearly done and based on what the author has said, it's only going to get more lovey dovey between them as it goes along. Whether you stick for that is up to you though.

I suppose. I’ll see what happens in the next chapter. If it’s tame enough or a copout, I guess I can give it a bit more time. But if it goes like I believe it will, I don’t think Sasha will ever grow as a character. Because right now she just feels like a part of nature. She just is, feeling no changes herself, only everyone around her changes.

And “lovey dovey” from this author does not help because that could range from 1-on-1 vanilla session to her getting a 5-man train run on her LMAO

Btw when I say “down to her level” it’s meant as him being a relative normie while she isn’t. I don’t generally care about non-monogamous relationships, if both parts are fine and willing from the start.

 

[Dingo777]

I suppose. I’ll see what happens in the next chapter. If it’s tame enough or a copout, I guess I can give it a bit more time. But if it goes like I believe it will, I don’t think Sasha will ever grow as a character. Because right now she just feels like a part of nature. She just is, feeling no changes herself, only everyone around her changes.

And “lovey dovey” from this author does not help because that could range from 1-on-1 vanilla session to her getting a 5-man train run on her LMAO

The biggest tell for how this story’s gonna go already happened. It was when Sasha’s friends defended her behavior yet continue to criticize the MC as weird and creepy because he likes… porn. Middle school girl getting raw’d on the daily adult men? Totally fine, don’t try to change her. Teenage boy has an interest in porn? What a creepy weirdo.

 

[Speederzdk]

The biggest tell for how this story’s gonna go already happened. It was when Sasha’s friends defended her behavior yet continue to criticize the MC as weird and creepy because he likes… porn. Middle school girl getting raw’d on the daily adult men? Totally fine, don’t try to change her. Teenage boy has an interest in porn? What a creepy weirdo.

Yeah that was pretty weird ngl. Also you could really feel the retcon there because that clearly wasn’t in line with how they were talking earlier about the situation.

 

[SrNevik]

I suppose. I’ll see what happens in the next chapter. If it’s tame enough or a copout, I guess I can give it a bit more time. But if it goes like I believe it will, I don’t think Sasha will ever grow as a character. Because right now she just feels like a part of nature. She just is, feeling no changes herself, only everyone around her changes.

And “lovey dovey” from this author does not help because that could range from 1-on-1 vanilla session to her getting a 5-man train run on her LMAO

Btw when I say “down to her level” it’s meant as him being a relative normie while she isn’t. I don’t generally care about non-monogamous relationships, if both parts are fine and willing from the start.

She's definitely a force of nature. I've called her that myself. As for lovey dovey, why not both? I imagine it'll be that they get together officially with him continuing as her Master and they'll be involved in all kinds of sexual situations that they both are in to. This kind of thing is what the author said would be part of their development--he said they'd get more lovey dovey but also be involved in each other's twisted sides too. A denegerate couple is what I'd expect at the end, based on what he says the plans have always been. He reiterates this stuff often and even gave a heads up about these recent chapters.

 

[Speederzdk]

She's definitely a force of nature. I've called her that myself. As for lovey dovey, why not both? I imagine it'll be that they get together officially with him continuing as her Master and they'll be involved in all kinds of sexual situations that they both are in to.

It mean that’s my issue. She doesn’t feel like she’s going through a journey. The MC is sure, but Sasha just is. She’s who she is and you could have written this story without them falling in love and nothing would really change. If the MC became one of her sexfriends, ignoring all the romance aspects now, what actually changes here? The MC will still go through the exact same journey, minus the jealousy and the only difference is that she’ll not love the MC. She’s staying the exact same.

 

[SrNevik]

It mean that’s my issue. She doesn’t feel like she’s going through a journey. The MC is sure, but Sasha just is. She’s who she is and you could have written this story without them falling in love and nothing would really change. If the MC became one of her sexfriends, ignoring all the romance aspects now, what actually changes here?

Her behavior would not be the same if she did not have growing feelings for him. He wouldn't be involved in any of this and she wouldn't be exclusively hanging out with him as much as she has. The difference between her past sex friends and her feelings for Master is a big part of what she's figuring out and working her way through. There's been many moments between them that only work because of her growing feelings or as a showcase of their closeness. When it comes to sex though, yeah that stuff she's not changing on. We agree there for sure.

 

[Speederzdk]

Her behavior would not be the same if she did not have growing feelings for him. He wouldn't be involved in any of this and she wouldn't be exclusively hanging out with him as much as she has. The difference between her past sex friends and her feelings for Master is a big part of what she's figuring out.

I guess that’s where we disagree. I don’t really see the difference between her being more together with the MC now and her having an infatuation with whatever sexfriend she feels like banging at that moment. Because in the doujins, she regularly focuses on one guy only to bounce a bit later.

And I guess the sex stuff is a big issue. Most people don’t view this type of sexual relationship as a good one. I’m inclined to say I also don’t. If it was in the past I couldn’t give less of a shit, but if it’s still ongoing I suppose you’re right that it’s time to lay it down and move on, because no way in hell Hagu changes it.

 

[SrNevik]

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I guess that’s where we disagree. I don’t really see the difference between her being more together with the MC now and her having an infatuation with whatever sexfriend she feels like banging at that moment. Because in the doujins, she regularly focuses on one guy only to bounce a bit later.

Well, it's hard to discuss that because we can't discuss chapter to chapter as you said you mostly focused on the images and not all those doujins are canon. Explaining that to people has been a minefield so I'll leave that one.

 

[Speederzdk]

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Well, it's hard to discuss that because we can't discuss chapter to chapter as you said you mostly focused on the images and not all those doujins are canon. Explaining that to people has been a minefield so I'll leave that one.

Yeah I’m only talking about the early ones that are canon. I don’t dare relate any of the ones drawn side by side because they seem so random.