Seirei-tachi no Rakuen to Risou no Isekai Seikatsu - Ch. 85

[akasection]

Ah, a mortgage then? 😏

 

[larcek]

with so many accomplices nearby, just how will this arc conclude anyways?

 

[dingo12345]

Nah. Guildmaster just fully thinks he’s basically illiterate

Spoiler: Small wn spoiler

the wn (and maybe next chapter) explains that the contract is written intentionally complicated such that the parts that would screw him over are written in seemingly innocuous paragraph, such that only a scholar would be able to notice it. Plus mc is in a crowded room and being asked to sign immediately. The guild master thought there was no way he’d notice it that fast

So his arrogance is his undoing

By the way, which chapter is this in the WN?

 

[dingo12345]

Yuuta, sic Sylphy on them!

 

[finalm]

Yes, I get that, and I'm turning the table, using them instead as credible witnesses. Directly using the weight of their reputation and popularity

Do the trip quick enough, and dump them in the crowd so that they wouldn't have time to cook up a fake story. The worried masses will question them, where I took them, what they saw, how we got there and back so quickly. And if they start lying, pick up the liar and a few bystanders and give them a short trip. He has the ability to discredit every lie they make as quickly as they make them.

What bone would I be throwing them? The source of his abilities is not a secret: it's spirit magic. He keeps telling them. And how would they consider him a threat if he's apparently just lying and using trickery? They'd have to first admit that spirit magic is real, that they've all been wrong.

It is a secret. He told them he's a spirit mage but the world at large has a very different view of what that means. It was said that the most one could achieve is a contract with a mid-tier spirit and that's already a legendary power level as far as the human world is concerned. Do you really think it's a good idea to show them what was done by using the power of high-level spirits? And for what? Just to shut up the naysayers? His goal is not to get along with the guild, it's to have access to the dungeon and merchants. These women's reputation is to his detriment here - if they were some shmucks then everyone would ignore them when they started telling of him doing the impossible. As it stands, when they report what they saw, everyone will only triple down on hounding him and if they can't get him on their side, well would you be fine with the possibility of a rival organisation having him? Whether they actually are capable of harming him or not is irrelevant too, since they're bound to try.

Also, they know spirit magic is real, confirmed spirit mages (as in, those contracted to low-level spirits) are said to be VIP's at the courts of kings. They don't believe himm, because it's a common scam for new adventurers to claim to be one for clout. It makes sense, why would you sign up for the dangerous grunt work that adventuring is, when you can live the good life as a courtier or advisor to someone powerful?

 

[Kendrakirai]

"if all else fails, hand the other person physical evidence you're up to no good" is a terrible hail mary pass. The rest have minimal risk.

Doesn't matter if it's basically a slave contract, it's still a co tract that you signed, it's your fault for signing it.

That's true in our own world, too. The contract has to actually break the law to be deemed null.

Don't fuck with contract law, there's a reason you never sign anything you don't understand without your lawyer looking at it first.

 

[Kendrakirai]

Evil people love contracts. "I can do this horrible thing 'legally', because they 'agreed' to it!"

And so long as the contract itself doesn't actually break any laws, or make the signer break any laws, it's pretty much true. Contract Law doesn't fuck around.

 

[Kendrakirai]

Only a scholar would notice that the thing is packed with terms restricting anything he could do AND obligating him to do extra, unrelated stuff? There's only so much you could do with language while remaining intelligible, man...

That's normal contract language.

 

[finalm]

That's normal contract language.

Dude, you're clearly LARPing as a lawyer and not in the slightest bit believably. Contracts are a matter of civil law and they can be partially or fully void simply for not following formal requirements or having terms that are deemed exploitative or against the spirit of legislation, rather than the letter. An example is what I mentioned in a previous comment: lacking a way to unilaterally withdraw already makes it unenforcable by IRL standards. In fact, this is far to broad a topic to even outline here. Please just give it a rest and stop pretending they or their language are some sort of occult words of power. You are talking to adults here.

 

[Dragou]

Alwasy a coin flip if the update is a rerelease of a past chapter or an actually new chapter.

1) Who would teach spirit magic (you know, magic that relies on beings of the natural elements) in a classroomof all places?

2) Also as final plan... this is kindof dumb... I don't even think he needed Sylphy here. If they were willing to just have Yuuta be smarter then he could have figured this out himself.

I think it wasnt explained in the chapter good enough but it was written in very small fine print and he wanted to preassure him into signing fast and not reading it in the first place.

Really a last ditch effort and trying to make him look like guy (again)-

 

[Wyrm]

The way I see it...

• Plan A would have failed in any case, with or without Silphy. Empty apologies without consequences wouldn't have satisfied Yuuta. I'm not sure this even qualifies as a plan, more like a preliminary attempt at getting everything brushed under the rug at no cost.
• Plan B might have worked partially without Siplhy's warning. Yuuta might have accepted the money, but pinning him with embezzlement after the guild master publicly declared that this was his personal funds wouldn't have worked. This would have simply backfired on the GM, so predictably in fact that I wonder why that was a plan in the first place. Unless the whole crowd here were accomplices, but that seems a little far-fetched.
• Plan C might have worked without Siplhy's warning. Yuuta might not need the rank up, but he wouldn't have had a reason to object had he not known about compulsory quests. I'd say 50/50 chance here.
• Plan D would have definitely succeeded without Siplhy's warning and very heavy gaze during the meeting. Yuuta was still trying to rationalize partying with the Valkyries despite knowing it was a trap.
• Plan E probably would have failed by the time it reached this point, even without Siplhy's warning. As an isekai'ed protagonist from a modern world, Yuuta should have at least basic understanding of how treacherous contracts can be. Perhaps there would have been a chance had the GM started with it instead of showing his full dishonest hand first, but keeping it for last was very unlikely to succeed. Establishing a contract requires trust, which started pretty low already and went downhill from there. I understand that the GM basically thinks of Yuuta as a random guy without background, much less legal education, but he should still have known that his image in Yuuta's opinion was too low by now: this attempt is simply written evidence of the attempt to scam Yuuta.

So, from the perspective of a slightly smarter GM, plan A was a free attempt to placate his victim, plans B should have been avoided entirely or made in good faith, plan C was a good try, plan D had a high chance of success and plan E was pointless or should have been attempted much earlier.

 

[Dragou]

The way I see it...

• Plan A would have failed in any case, with or without Silphy. Empty apologies without consequences wouldn't have satisfied Yuuta. I'm not sure this even qualifies as a plan, more like a preliminary attempt at getting everything brushed under the rug at no cost.
• Plan B might have worked partially without Siplhy's warning. Yuuta might have accepted the money, but pinning him with embezzlement after the guild master publicly declared that this was his personal funds wouldn't have worked. This would have simply backfired on the GM, so predictably in fact that I wonder why that was a plan in the first place. Unless the whole crowd here were accomplices, but that seems a little far-fetched.
• Plan C might have worked without Siplhy's warning. Yuuta might not need the rank up, but he wouldn't have had a reason to object had he not known about compulsory quests. I'd say 50/50 chance here.
• Plan D would have definitely succeeded without Siplhy's warning and very heavy gaze during the meeting. Yuuta was still trying to rationalize partying with the Valkyries despite knowing it was a trap.
• Plan E probably would have failed by the time it reached this point, even without Siplhy's warning. As an isekai'ed protagonist from a modern world, Yuuta should have at least basic understanding of how treacherous contracts can be. Perhaps there would have been a chance had the GM started with it instead of showing his full dishonest hand first, but keeping it for last was very unlikely to succeed. Establishing a contract requires trust, which started pretty low already and went downhill from there. I understand that the GM basically thinks of Yuuta as a random guy without background, much less legal education, but he should still have known that his image in Yuuta's opinion was too low by now: this attempt is simply written evidence of the attempt to scam Yuuta.

So, from the perspective of a slightly smarter GM, plan A was a free attempt to placate his victim, plans B should have been avoided entirely or made in good faith, plan C was a good try, plan D had a high chance of success and plan E was pointless or should have been attempted much earlier.

You have the core problem that lead to the whole problem already. The Guild Master and the Receptionist lady (yes she actively participated and collaborated with the Guild master) are arrogant and believe themselves to be smarter than they are. Besides this story beeing more on the fluffy side, the Guild Master was never a big bad mastermind.

If our MC wouldnt be way to petty, he could have easy just walked to another town at the start and showed spirit magic and told them what happened there.
But this whole "battle" between those to is basically: Bad guy who is arrogant and overestimates himself vs Good Guy who is slightly dumb and really petty

 

[xEternalSoul]

I think this part is kinda dragging to the point that I might have forgotten why he had to get roped into this elaborate deal he knows is bogus. Why not just show off and prove not only his power but also the incompetence of people who misjudged his abilities.

Also, outside of the guild master getting fired and worked to the bone, does the MC get to actually show off?

Literally in this event, just have to be patient for 1 or 2 chapters.

 

[Wyrm]

You have the core problem that lead to the whole problem already.

I don't. I was just wondering and hypothesizing how much of his planning even had a chance in the first place, without spirits in general and Silphy's investigating in particular, and only factoring the relative intelligence of the two sides. Mainly, I was pondering how things could have turned out without the factors that the GM had no chance of knowing anyway. I then added opinions about a smarter GM as an afterthought.

So, in my opinion, Yuuta would likely have fallen to plan C and definitely to plan D if Silphy hadn't been here to clear all the traps in advance. How arrogant and dumb the opposition is wouldn't have been a problem to them in the end. (Note that Yuuta would have tripped at step D, so the predictable failure of plan E is irrelevant.)

Plan D in particular was actually pretty good: playing on the MC's male instincts was right on the money. The failure here is only due to the world's weak knowledge of spirits in general and more particularly the MC's ability to communicate with them very clearly. Note that it wasn't entirely impossible to learn about Yuuta's ability to communicate in particular (Yuuta wasn't hiding it particularly well), but that's where the arrogance and idiocy come back into play; also that would only help so much without knowing about the fact that his permanent spirit companion is a female with a heavy gaze.

(Going for the "smarter GM" afterthought again, he would have had an excellent opportunity to learn about these had he not pointlessly antagonized Yuuta on day one. But the arc in its entirety would have been different then.)

 

[Justking14]

So his arrogance is his undoing

By the way, which chapter is this in the WN?

This starts around 110

 

[dingo12345]

This starts around 110

Thank you!

 

[OWMWO]

Dude, you're clearly LARPing as a lawyer and not in the slightest bit believably. Contracts are a matter of civil law and they can be partially or fully void simply for not following formal requirements or having terms that are deemed exploitative or against the spirit of legislation

That is if we NOT talking about a fictional setting manga law aka law in the setting of pre modern era, which is made to protect the high class than the considered lower class.
If you know current lawyer ABC, good for you, but that is not the law logic on work in this story.

 

[finalm]

That is if we NOT talking about a fictional setting manga law aka law in the setting of pre modern era, which is made to protect the high class than the considered lower class.
If you know current lawyer ABC, good for you, but that is not the law logic on work in this story.

Firstly, there's no indication that was what he meant. Secondly, it makes even less sense in the "pre-modern era" context: the nobility of old did not enter into any agreements with the lower classes. They simply ordered them to act in a specific way and that was that. Thirdly, if a plot point is to be based on some fictional, very different set of rules, then those rules need to be introduced first, otherwise it's nonsense. Since it wasn't, one has to assume it's the rules we are familiar with.