Seisou no Shinrishi - Vol. 1 Ch. 1

[Yuyu_yusha]

https://mangadex.org/title/0935af3d-2659-43f7-97f9-4cc2402fad58/lord-magear-no-deshi

Superb, man. Truly superb. I missed 3 chapters already lol

 

[Yuyu_yusha]

That's the psychology equivalent of saying "I don't trust doctors. I don't like someone assessing my health." I wouldn't call you weird, I'd call you stupid. That being said, I do understand the discomfort of having to trust someone to untangle your thoughts.

Cheers to that stupidity and distrust! 🥂

 

[jakasetan]

Whoa, psychiatrist in otherworld? Thay was some interesting concept.

Wonder how author's gonna bring unexplainable trauma and mental broke down for otherworldly people.

 

[James]

We never saw Kyle's corpse and something that this manga is going to need to do structurely is keep in traumatising the characters in new and interesting ways so that theyre not just getting therapy for the same thing over and over again so Im calling it now Kyle has double crossed the hero party! Or hes still alive somewhere but he lost his memory and an arm so he cant find and anymore and so is in hiding, or he was captured by demons and theyre winter-soldiering him. Something has happened that WILL allow the heros party to be re traumatised by Kyle.

 

[biyyuu]

Isekai therapist? Interesting

Looking forward to the next chapter

 

[Serenata]

Between all the slops that's produced withing the genre, from time to time we get actually good ideas like this one who also require the author to have some good knowledge and not just video game knowledge and repressed high school traumas for revenge.

 

[JaxunHero]

The cleric might be Yuri
but this is a good 1st chapter

 

[VerdeFPiuma]

Mental health? In my manga!?
Good then.

 

[Kampfarsch]

Shooting an arrow into your friend spine to protect him? what an outstanding guy frfr
Anyway dont let this manga fool you into thinking psychology isnt a scam

So straight that she blushed, So straight that she refused to sleep together in the same bed or so LOL

Reminds me of some dudes who are so anti-gay that they refuse to wash their ass because they think touching their ass is homo

Either way I don't believe anything will happen either and I'm just happy/shocked we ACTUALLY get a therapist isekaid person, fucking FINALLY something new

You know there were times in history when merely being in a room with another man was considered sinful/cheating right?
Her being old as shit probably just makes her an ultra prude too.
Applying this 202X hedonist "everything is gay and sex" thinking to this world doesnt really work out

 

[tremor3258]

Translator in awesome given it's got clinical terms too to handle. Thank you for picking this up.

 

[Jachinz]

Reminds me of some dudes who are so anti-gay that they refuse to wash their ass because they think touching their ass is homo

Excuse me !? But what in the fuck!??

Other than the very strange new info I have learned above.
I like this and interested to see where it goes. Reminds me of a similar series where the former hero's party are being interviewed about the Hero and how he died and who did it.

 

[CKC]

dont let this manga fool you into thinking psychology isnt a scam

I'm someone who's been helped by psychological therapy, so this is really insulting to me. If it's such a big scam, then what do you suggest we do instead to help out people with mental health? Throw up our hands and say "Well I guess it's OK people are suffering" and do nothing else? Until someone comes up with something entirely better than it then we'll keep using it. No, it doesn't help absolutely everyone, due to people and their minds being incredibly complex. Yes, it does absolutely have a positive effect on many people.

Did you know that some treatments for diseases don't always work, but we do the treatments anyways? Damn, doctors sure are a scam. They should stop treating cancer, what a ripoff. /s

And if you meant "It's way too expensive" or something: Just because the healthcare systems in a lot of the world are terrible and overcharge or don't provide proper service or whatever doesn't mean that the treatments, like psych therapy, don't work. If you want to blame something, blame the for-profit insurance and healthcare systems, not the doctors and treatments.

You know there were times in history when merely being in a room with another man was considered sinful/cheating right?
Her being old as shit probably just makes her an ultra prude too.

You're actually supporting dokidoki's opinion, "Sofia comes off as closeted," with reasons why Sofia might be (I'm not saying she is, but she could be) closeted. The non-sequitur "Because I'm straight" that Sofia said really comes off as "the lady doth protest too much," and Hoshino's reaction of "So am I. Wait, what?" reflects that somewhat. Of course, it could just be their culture conflates sleeping in the same building/inviting someone to stay with being in a relationship, but we only have one interaction in a single chapter to go off of and it doesn't really support either stance.

I do think it would make for an interesting story if Sofia was closeted and Hoshino helped Sofia come to terms with herself, but that's for the author to decide to write.

Applying this 202X hedonist "everything is gay and sex" thinking to this world doesnt really work out

Shipping has been a thing for WAY longer than since 2020, and shipping characters or thinking a character might be gay aren't being "hedonist." What exactly are you trying to say here?

 

[Kampfarsch]

I'm someone who's been helped by psychological therapy, so this is really insulting to me. If it's such a big scam, then what do you suggest we do instead to help out people with mental health? Throw up our hands and say "Well I guess it's OK people are suffering" and do nothing else? Until someone comes up with something entirely better than it then we'll keep using it. No, it doesn't help absolutely everyone, due to people and their minds being incredibly complex. Yes, it does absolutely have a positive effect on many people.

The neat part of mental issues is that its all in your head, literally imaginary
The only people psychology works on are extrinsically motivated easily manipulated mindless cattle
The kind of person that gets emotionally hurt over anonymous messages on the internet, completely incapable of differentiating reality and compartmentalizing
So these people arent just sick in the head but also potentially dangerous

Also psychology is literally just sugar pill placebo for the brain, none of it has any biologically quantifiable factual basis, just trying shit in hopes it works 🤷‍♂️
The closest we have ever gotten to functional mental health care was when germany tried just having people live a frugal life and touch some plants, that went down with WW2 though and now we have scam councillors and pills that turn you braindead

 

[CKC]

Before I begin, I'd like to point out I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't know everything (or even all that much) about psychiatry, and I don't know what's best for everyone. I've been involved with psychiatry as a patient for some of my life, and I've done a little reading on the subject and have taken a few undergrad classes. I'm not an expert. But I do my best to provide sound information.

The neat part of mental issues is that its all in your head, literally imaginary

Mental issues aren't always just a way of thinking. Sometimes there's something physically wrong with a person's brain leading to mental health issues. Depression is often caused by an imbalance of brain chemicals (or perhaps the imbalance is a factor or appears as a common symptom, we don't know exactly). Some people (Do check out Phineas Gage's story, it's an amazing bit of history) have mental issues because of physical brain damage that can (sometimes) be worked around or mitigated via therapy (Probably not in Phineas' case, though). Everything you do or see is experienced through your interpretation of your senses. Did you know that people with depression pretty consistently report the world as being less colorful, even though their eyes still have identical function? What's inside your head is all of your "self", so if mental issues are imaginary then so is the self so why do anything?

Go tell "it's all in your head don't worry about it" to people that have PTSD and see where that gets you. Just because their trauma is in their heads doesn't mean they don't suffer from it. I'm sure all of the Vietnam vets would really love to have been told "Just feel better." and then magically felt better. The therapy is there to try and get the torture and bombs and horrible imagery out of their head.

And above all, "In your head" is all anything is. So why do you care if other people treat their imaginary problems in their head? If everyone is treats their imaginary problems and then they become imaginary happier, isn't that fine?

The only people psychology works on are extrinsically motivated easily manipulated mindless cattle

So you've never felt bad as a kid because someone called you a name? Or you never felt better because someone cheered you up with something happy? Or ever have a spouse or a friend or a relative be with you when you're down, angry, or upset and make you feel better just by being there or listening to you vent? Or you've never been bummed out because of a freak accident, or been made happy by a pleasant surprise?

If you've done any of that, you've been emotionally manipulated and I'm afraid you're "easily manipulated mindless cattle".

...No, actually, you're just a human. Like super manly man Dwayne Johnson. All humans have emotions and thoughts and feelings, and they can be affected by others' actions, or random events. The stoic "I'm so cool I have no emotions and nothing can change me" outlook is both impossible to attain and actively harmful to those who try for it. And even if you attain it, all it really means is you're cutting off everyone you know from affecting you, which I feel is quite lonely. Being emotional is part of what makes people human, and with it, so is being hurt or being healed because of those emotions.

And besides, the people who truly think "I can't be influenced by anything" are prime targets of those who actually want to manipulate. Like advertisers, who spend millions of dollars yearly hiring psych consultants to help convince people to buy products. I took a psychology class where the lecturer was a former psych consultant for advertisers, and he plainly said "Those who think they aren't being influenced at all, are often the ones being influenced the most and the easiest to make think an idea was their own. The best way you avoid being influenced, is to be aware that you're being influenced from the start, and examine why the influence makes you feel a certain way." I'm paraphrasing, because it was years ago, but it's something that stuck with me. He was a funny guy, and proudly admitted he loved a certain soda brand even though he knew he was influenced to like it. But he was okay with it, because it didn't hurt him and he got enjoyment out of it.

Honestly this previous bit is only an anecdote, but I believe you need to be aware that you can be manipulated before you can identify if you're actually being manipulated.

Even if psychology works only on "extrinsically motivated easily manipulated mindless cattle" then it isn't a scam by definition because, by your words, it works. So why would it be a bad thing, then? Get those "extrinsically motivated easily manipulated mindless cattle" all the psych therapy and meds they need to be happy with their lives.

The kind of person that gets emotionally hurt over anonymous messages on the internet, completely incapable of differentiating reality and compartmentalizing
So these people arent just sick in the head but also potentially dangerous

If you're talking about me, let me be clear (and I should have been more clear earlier) that I think it was insulting specifically to the doctors working to help people. You didn't attack me personally, but I think your attack on the entirety of psychology was irresponsible and could hurt someone by way of them not seeking help for their mental health, which is what I'm aiming to correct.

So, if it's all in their heads, why are they potentially dangerous for it? Is it because human's mental health has an affect on the way they perceive the world, and might not be able to be changed without outside help? So what should be done to help them, then? Should we just let them be "potentially dangerous" or should we provide mental health care to them the best we can?

And you never answered what should be done instead of psychology-based methods. I'll ask you again: Instead of psych counseling and possible medical treatment, what should we do to help people with depression, anxiety, ADHD, bipolar, and other mental health issues?

Also psychology is literally just sugar pill placebo for the brain, none of it has any biologically quantifiable factual basis, just trying shit in hopes it works 🤷‍♂️

Yes, it mostly can't be researched directly as a "does x cause y" because that breaks research ethics laws that were established for a good reason. But studies looking at trends can still be done. There are a bunch of general different methods to help people process trauma or improve themselves, and there are long-term studies done on their effects on patients and the methods' effectiveness. No, they aren't perfect, just like there isn't one set of hamburger toppings that'll please everyone.

"Just trying shit in hopes it works" isn't entirely wrong, but you're missing the point. They aren't starting from zero like the early psychologists did, there's prior research that's been done, and that's used as a basis to further generate hypothesis for study. Psychiatrists make hypothesis, do research, and draw conclusions, following the scientific method like other scientists. Do you trust an elevator to work? Or cars? Or packaged food? Because those are also the end result of "trying shit" in a controlled way. Without materials, fuel, electrical, and aeronautical sciences we wouldn't have gone from the Wright Brothers crashing giant paper monstrosities to launching metal tubes through the sky full of people and cargo and doing it safely. Psychology follows the same basic scientific method that eventually got us to aerial metal people tubes. I'm not saying "blindly trust the process," because you shouldn't ever blindly trust anything, but you should know that in general there's a process that's being followed and it's relatively rigorous.

For the "biologically quantifiable factual basis" part, it's out there, but for obvious ethical reasons you can't just modify brain chemicals and observe reactions. For one example, check out this research on smiling signaling your brain to be happy. They did quantifiable research there by using an fMRI machine. It doesn't tell us much, other than parts of the emotion centers in the brain activated more often when different facial muscles were activated, but research like this might help instruct psychological therapy methods in the future.

The closest we have ever gotten to functional mental health care was when germany tried just having people live a frugal life and touch some plants, that went down with WW2 though

You've touched upon a subject of psychological study. Greenspace, and nature as a whole, is a known influence in the study of human psychology. Studies are still done in this direction, I don't know why you think it ended with WWII. I believe there's been discussions to incorporate more greenspace in city building plans because of this thread of research, but obviously the already built areas of cities won't see the improvements without doing major reconstruction.

The other half of that, frugality, might be fine, but going too far and living in poverty isn't something that improves mental health. Poverty and low-income are both well-documented as extreme stressors, so you'd need to tread a line of "frugality" carefully. In fact, this study claims frugality is, ironically, expensive. It's an interesting subject, though, and there are studies out there that are still looking into it.

and now we have scam councillors

You haven't supported your belief that they're scams. You claim their methods "[work on] extrinsically motivated easily manipulated mindless cattle." So which is it, do they work or don't they? What exactly is their scam?

and pills that turn you braindead

If you live in the US, UK, or Canada, and likely in most countries with established mental health care, you probably interact daily with a bunch of people who're on antidepressants, stimulants, anti-anxiety meds, and a whole host of others. This data brief by the CDC says ~11% of people in the USA are on an antidepressant in 2023, and this is just ONE type of psych medication.

They don't turn you brain dead. People would notice. In fact, some of the most abused psych drugs are stimulants like Adderall taken by students in an attempt to improve grades.

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So yeah. I don't think psychology is a scam. We're still learning so much about humans, the brain, and body that, yeah no shit, we're still in a phase where there's so much more to learn and some of our current practices might be considered ineffective, or maybe harmful, in the future. But we can apply what we do know, and attempt to make things better. And saying "It's all fake you don't actually know it's all a scam" is disingenuous, when we can improve some lives right now, and hopefully improve more lives later.

 

[Kampfarsch]

Well good job removing "mindless cattle" from the following explanation so you can rant over both in a vacuum

Studies are still done in this direction, I don't know why you think it ended with WWII.

Because I live near one of the largest pre ww2 clinics in germany and thats pretty much the gist of what they tell you there, that line of inquiry is good as dead in mainstream psychology in favor of new fangled zombie pills, why waste millions on rehabilitation centers when you can just throw pills down their throat?

You haven't supported your belief that they're scams.

If we go by the same line of reasoning as your "feeling happy over a present" analogy then yeah sure, psychiatrists are on the same level as gifting a sad person a cake and it might make them feel a little better.
Point is still they want obscene amounts of money for something that is on the same level as chakra healing for any well developed human being that didnt fail to grow a little skin as a kid.

This data brief by the CDC says ~11% of people in the USA are on an antidepressant in 2023, and this is just ONE type of psych medication.

Modern day lobotomy for the masses yeah
Go to a psychiatrist, pay him multiple hundred bucks an hour to sit there and listen to your lonely ass vent, in return you get pills that turn off your internal monologue and transform you into a mindless worker robot, awesome.

The solution to an unhappy life is to change it, not to pay somebody to pretend to know how to help you or give you pills that make you stop caring.

 

[Paru]

Man I can’t wait for an update

 

[Derpthenerd]

Before I begin, I'd like to point out I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't know everything (or even all that much) about psychiatry, and I don't know what's best for everyone. I've been involved with psychiatry as a patient for some of my life, and I've done a little reading on the subject and have taken a few undergrad classes. I'm not an expert. But I do my best to provide sound information.


Mental issues aren't always just a way of thinking. Sometimes there's something physically wrong with a person's brain leading to mental health issues. Depression is often caused by an imbalance of brain chemicals (or perhaps the imbalance is a factor or appears as a common symptom, we don't know exactly). Some people (Do check out Phineas Gage's story, it's an amazing bit of history) have mental issues because of physical brain damage that can (sometimes) be worked around or mitigated via therapy (Probably not in Phineas' case, though). Everything you do or see is experienced through your interpretation of your senses. Did you know that people with depression pretty consistently report the world as being less colorful, even though their eyes still have identical function? What's inside your head is all of your "self", so if mental issues are imaginary then so is the self so why do anything?

Go tell "it's all in your head don't worry about it" to people that have PTSD and see where that gets you. Just because their trauma is in their heads doesn't mean they don't suffer from it. I'm sure all of the Vietnam vets would really love to have been told "Just feel better." and then magically felt better. The therapy is there to try and get the torture and bombs and horrible imagery out of their head.

And above all, "In your head" is all anything is. So why do you care if other people treat their imaginary problems in their head? If everyone is treats their imaginary problems and then they become imaginary happier, isn't that fine?


So you've never felt bad as a kid because someone called you a name? Or you never felt better because someone cheered you up with something happy? Or ever have a spouse or a friend or a relative be with you when you're down, angry, or upset and make you feel better just by being there or listening to you vent? Or you've never been bummed out because of a freak accident, or been made happy by a pleasant surprise?

If you've done any of that, you've been emotionally manipulated and I'm afraid you're "easily manipulated mindless cattle".

...No, actually, you're just a human. Like super manly man Dwayne Johnson. All humans have emotions and thoughts and feelings, and they can be affected by others' actions, or random events. The stoic "I'm so cool I have no emotions and nothing can change me" outlook is both impossible to attain and actively harmful to those who try for it. And even if you attain it, all it really means is you're cutting off everyone you know from affecting you, which I feel is quite lonely. Being emotional is part of what makes people human, and with it, so is being hurt or being healed because of those emotions.

And besides, the people who truly think "I can't be influenced by anything" are prime targets of those who actually want to manipulate. Like advertisers, who spend millions of dollars yearly hiring psych consultants to help convince people to buy products. I took a psychology class where the lecturer was a former psych consultant for advertisers, and he plainly said "Those who think they aren't being influenced at all, are often the ones being influenced the most and the easiest to make think an idea was their own. The best way you avoid being influenced, is to be aware that you're being influenced from the start, and examine why the influence makes you feel a certain way." I'm paraphrasing, because it was years ago, but it's something that stuck with me. He was a funny guy, and proudly admitted he loved a certain soda brand even though he knew he was influenced to like it. But he was okay with it, because it didn't hurt him and he got enjoyment out of it.

Honestly this previous bit is only an anecdote, but I believe you need to be aware that you can be manipulated before you can identify if you're actually being manipulated.

Even if psychology works only on "extrinsically motivated easily manipulated mindless cattle" then it isn't a scam by definition because, by your words, it works. So why would it be a bad thing, then? Get those "extrinsically motivated easily manipulated mindless cattle" all the psych therapy and meds they need to be happy with their lives.


If you're talking about me, let me be clear (and I should have been more clear earlier) that I think it was insulting specifically to the doctors working to help people. You didn't attack me personally, but I think your attack on the entirety of psychology was irresponsible and could hurt someone by way of them not seeking help for their mental health, which is what I'm aiming to correct.

So, if it's all in their heads, why are they potentially dangerous for it? Is it because human's mental health has an affect on the way they perceive the world, and might not be able to be changed without outside help? So what should be done to help them, then? Should we just let them be "potentially dangerous" or should we provide mental health care to them the best we can?

And you never answered what should be done instead of psychology-based methods. I'll ask you again: Instead of psych counseling and possible medical treatment, what should we do to help people with depression, anxiety, ADHD, bipolar, and other mental health issues?


Yes, it mostly can't be researched directly as a "does x cause y" because that breaks research ethics laws that were established for a good reason. But studies looking at trends can still be done. There are a bunch of general different methods to help people process trauma or improve themselves, and there are long-term studies done on their effects on patients and the methods' effectiveness. No, they aren't perfect, just like there isn't one set of hamburger toppings that'll please everyone.

"Just trying shit in hopes it works" isn't entirely wrong, but you're missing the point. They aren't starting from zero like the early psychologists did, there's prior research that's been done, and that's used as a basis to further generate hypothesis for study. Psychiatrists make hypothesis, do research, and draw conclusions, following the scientific method like other scientists. Do you trust an elevator to work? Or cars? Or packaged food? Because those are also the end result of "trying shit" in a controlled way. Without materials, fuel, electrical, and aeronautical sciences we wouldn't have gone from the Wright Brothers crashing giant paper monstrosities to launching metal tubes through the sky full of people and cargo and doing it safely. Psychology follows the same basic scientific method that eventually got us to aerial metal people tubes. I'm not saying "blindly trust the process," because you shouldn't ever blindly trust anything, but you should know that in general there's a process that's being followed and it's relatively rigorous.

For the "biologically quantifiable factual basis" part, it's out there, but for obvious ethical reasons you can't just modify brain chemicals and observe reactions. For one example, check out this research on smiling signaling your brain to be happy. They did quantifiable research there by using an fMRI machine. It doesn't tell us much, other than parts of the emotion centers in the brain activated more often when different facial muscles were activated, but research like this might help instruct psychological therapy methods in the future.


You've touched upon a subject of psychological study. Greenspace, and nature as a whole, is a known influence in the study of human psychology. Studies are still done in this direction, I don't know why you think it ended with WWII. I believe there's been discussions to incorporate more greenspace in city building plans because of this thread of research, but obviously the already built areas of cities won't see the improvements without doing major reconstruction.

The other half of that, frugality, might be fine, but going too far and living in poverty isn't something that improves mental health. Poverty and low-income are both well-documented as extreme stressors, so you'd need to tread a line of "frugality" carefully. In fact, this study claims frugality is, ironically, expensive. It's an interesting subject, though, and there are studies out there that are still looking into it.


You haven't supported your belief that they're scams. You claim their methods "[work on] extrinsically motivated easily manipulated mindless cattle." So which is it, do they work or don't they? What exactly is their scam?


If you live in the US, UK, or Canada, and likely in most countries with established mental health care, you probably interact daily with a bunch of people who're on antidepressants, stimulants, anti-anxiety meds, and a whole host of others. This data brief by the CDC says ~11% of people in the USA are on an antidepressant in 2023, and this is just ONE type of psych medication.

They don't turn you brain dead. People would notice. In fact, some of the most abused psych drugs are stimulants like Adderall taken by students in an attempt to improve grades.

---

So yeah. I don't think psychology is a scam. We're still learning so much about humans, the brain, and body that, yeah no shit, we're still in a phase where there's so much more to learn and some of our current practices might be considered ineffective, or maybe harmful, in the future. But we can apply what we do know, and attempt to make things better. And saying "It's all fake you don't actually know it's all a scam" is disingenuous, when we can improve some lives right now, and hopefully improve more lives later.

insanely good writeup for a manga comment section

 

[Derpthenerd]

Well good job removing "mindless cattle" from the following explanation so you can rant over both in a vacuum

Because I live near one of the largest pre ww2 clinics in germany and thats pretty much the gist of what they tell you there, that line of inquiry is good as dead in mainstream psychology in favor of new fangled zombie pills, why waste millions on rehabilitation centers when you can just throw pills down their throat?

If we go by the same line of reasoning as your "feeling happy over a present" analogy then yeah sure, psychiatrists are on the same level as gifting a sad person a cake and it might make them feel a little better.
Point is still they want obscene amounts of money for something that is on the same level as chakra healing for any well developed human being that didnt fail to grow a little skin as a kid.

Modern day lobotomy for the masses yeah
Go to a psychiatrist, pay him multiple hundred bucks an hour to sit there and listen to your lonely ass vent, in return you get pills that turn off your internal monologue and transform you into a mindless worker robot, awesome.

The solution to an unhappy life is to change it, not to pay somebody to pretend to know how to help you or give you pills that make you stop caring.

i get that you might have skin in the game here but if you're not going to respond in good faith why even respond? especially egregious is "the solution to an unhappy life is to change it", which might seem like a reasonable statement but it's just a truism that makes you seem like you've not even tried to empathize with the people that would go to therapy

 

[Kampfarsch]

i get that you might have skin in the game here but if you're not going to respond in good faith why even respond?

Arguing good faith against pseudoscience bullshit preying on unhappy folk gets you nowhere
There is no group of people on this planet I respect less than a psychiatrist

especially egregious is "the solution to an unhappy life is to change it", which might seem like a reasonable statement but it's just a truism that makes you seem like you've not even tried to empathize with the people that would go to therapy

You cant argue somebody into being happy
Unless you are in a one in million with an actual fundamental mental illness the thing making you unhappy is your shitty workslave life in this capitalist hell hole, and shovelling your hard earned money to a guy that merely pretends to know what the fuck is going on is nothing but disgusting
Americans swear by their therapies but they still arent faring any better, just goes to show how useless it is

Youve got people freaking out over fluoride but this medical institution literally lobotomizing people with happy pills goes over their head