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If she learned how to cultivate white truffles, then they could simplify buy Europe and most of the new world
Sengoku Komachi Kuroutan: Noukou Giga - Vol. 2 Ch. 8 - Cultivation
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@Sep10trion not rrly^^ i mean the stuff is expensive cuz its rare... if there is a lot of it its not rrly valuable anymore
just take pepper it was super valuable in the middle ages and nowdays its nearly worthless
just take pepper it was super valuable in the middle ages and nowdays its nearly worthless
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This is getting hard to read.
In the beginning we could at least see Shizuko working, but now not even that. This mangá will keep showing us surprises like this one with the mushrooms?
One Girl Worth An Entire Nation Agricultural Output..
Just that bit with the sugar last chapter, sugar should be worth as much as gold. Just think about and ambitious lord as Nobunaga putting his hands on an income source like that, just that one. But we have the rice, all the new foods, the tools, the everything! By now Nobunaga may have resources enough to buy the whole country! And Shizuki doing all that almost alone without almost anyone noticing...
This should be the death sentence for her.
She should be jailed and exploited.
Just think, putting her in the castle like they were thinking last chapter. Do you not think that Nobunaga would see her as a threat to him? The moment she shows to be able to handle the politics and bureaucracy is the moment when some could start thinking about getting rid of Nobunaga in favor of her (after all, Shizuko don't looks like to be the cruel type like him).
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Near the end I started to suspect that.
But I was thinking that she is just feeling ill because she is refusing to eat Shizuko's food and is starving a bit.
In the beginning we could at least see Shizuko working, but now not even that. This mangá will keep showing us surprises like this one with the mushrooms?
One Girl Worth An Entire Nation Agricultural Output..
Just that bit with the sugar last chapter, sugar should be worth as much as gold. Just think about and ambitious lord as Nobunaga putting his hands on an income source like that, just that one. But we have the rice, all the new foods, the tools, the everything! By now Nobunaga may have resources enough to buy the whole country! And Shizuki doing all that almost alone without almost anyone noticing...
This should be the death sentence for her.
She should be jailed and exploited.
Just think, putting her in the castle like they were thinking last chapter. Do you not think that Nobunaga would see her as a threat to him? The moment she shows to be able to handle the politics and bureaucracy is the moment when some could start thinking about getting rid of Nobunaga in favor of her (after all, Shizuko don't looks like to be the cruel type like him).
@Cyansoul
Near the end I started to suspect that.
But I was thinking that she is just feeling ill because she is refusing to eat Shizuko's food and is starving a bit.
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That's how you grow the best mushroom on the world? Nice thinking!
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@Sep10trion
Did the Portuguese of the 15th century regard truffles highly, though? As far as I know, and I could be wrong, that truffles only started being valued during the Renaissance and wikipedia stated that only in the 17th century did truffles become widely used. Shizuko would have to wait 300 years to sell truffles then.
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You could actually see Nobunaga's stance on Shizuko in the previous chapter. Within the next few chapters, his stance regarding Shizuko will be made more distinct.
Also, jailing her and exploiting her will do nothing good. Nobunaga knows as much as anyone that a samurai conducts deals with honour and if he assumes that Shizuko is a black sheep of the Ayanokouji clan, jailing Shizuko will do the exact opposite. Shizuko will instead consider him an enemy and will refuse to help him, and then the only option will be to kill her. Since Shizuko is an Ayanokouji, there is a chance the Ayanokouji clan will consider an honourless execution of their member as grounds for vendetta, and Nobunaga doesn't need more enemies at this point in time.
Letting her do as she wishes and keeping her on a short leash is a much better option than jailing her or executing her. Nobunaga needs her.
Did the Portuguese of the 15th century regard truffles highly, though? As far as I know, and I could be wrong, that truffles only started being valued during the Renaissance and wikipedia stated that only in the 17th century did truffles become widely used. Shizuko would have to wait 300 years to sell truffles then.
@Panino
You could actually see Nobunaga's stance on Shizuko in the previous chapter. Within the next few chapters, his stance regarding Shizuko will be made more distinct.
Also, jailing her and exploiting her will do nothing good. Nobunaga knows as much as anyone that a samurai conducts deals with honour and if he assumes that Shizuko is a black sheep of the Ayanokouji clan, jailing Shizuko will do the exact opposite. Shizuko will instead consider him an enemy and will refuse to help him, and then the only option will be to kill her. Since Shizuko is an Ayanokouji, there is a chance the Ayanokouji clan will consider an honourless execution of their member as grounds for vendetta, and Nobunaga doesn't need more enemies at this point in time.
Letting her do as she wishes and keeping her on a short leash is a much better option than jailing her or executing her. Nobunaga needs her.
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@Pyoro Homosexual relationship is nothing new in Japan at this time period but gay marriage is not even accepted in modern day Japan. In old Japan, you can have relationship with anyone you want but you can only marry a person of opposite sex and your spouse even has to be on the same status with you, example: a samurai can't marry someone on a lower status like peasant or merchant class.
Oda Nobunaga is rumored to have a homosexual relationship with his page, Mori Ranmaru but he had 3 wives and multiple children. His official legal wife was Nōhime, a daughter of another daimyo, someone had the status that was worthy to be his wife.
Oda Nobunaga is rumored to have a homosexual relationship with his page, Mori Ranmaru but he had 3 wives and multiple children. His official legal wife was Nōhime, a daughter of another daimyo, someone had the status that was worthy to be his wife.
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@Zael A samurai can't marry someone on a lower status like peasant or merchant class not to mention a daimyo like Nobunaga. At this point of time, Nobunaga already married Nōhime, a daughter of another daimyo, someone had the status that was worthy to be his wife. Someone with no clear origin like Shizuko can't be his wife, his subordinates and allies would be against that and being a concubine is miserable. I could see him arrange for one of his trusted subordinates to marry her.
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They don't need her cooperation if they learn from her. Don't forget that were talking about a sengoku lord that was one of the first to invest relatively on western gunpower weapons. Those weapons were not imported, they were reverse engineered locally. What's preventing them to just put what Shizuko did on paper and repeat the whole process to achieve the same results?
Yes, they don't understand the processes, but copied well enough it doesn't matter to some degree.
And honor.. pff!
If Shizuko was just some distinguished ally I could agree, but at the speed she is doing all those things I believe it would be a bit different. Don't you think Nobunaga's followers may be wondering from where came those huge bales of rice?
They don't need her cooperation if they learn from her. Don't forget that were talking about a sengoku lord that was one of the first to invest relatively on western gunpower weapons. Those weapons were not imported, they were reverse engineered locally. What's preventing them to just put what Shizuko did on paper and repeat the whole process to achieve the same results?
Yes, they don't understand the processes, but copied well enough it doesn't matter to some degree.
And honor.. pff!
If Shizuko was just some distinguished ally I could agree, but at the speed she is doing all those things I believe it would be a bit different. Don't you think Nobunaga's followers may be wondering from where came those huge bales of rice?
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@Panino
They cannot learn from her because everything she did has been leagues beyond them. In their eyes, what she's doing is witchcraft. It's like an outer space alien bringing down an intergalactic ship down into medieval society. The medieval people won't even know where to start researching it. At least if she is allowed to continue at her own pace, she will teach them as they are now her people. How much cooperation do you think a jailed person would give?
Actually, the muskets were not reverse engineered. Story goes that the first musket was stolen from a marooned Portuguese conquistador and a blacksmith married his daughter to the Portuguese man to learn how to make them. Subsequent muskets were bought from the Portuguese at high price before the Sakai merchants were able to make their own passable designs. At this point, they still have to import gunpowder from the Portuguese. Later in the Sengoku period, the warlords were able to make their own gunpowder, but that's years in the future.
What prevents them from repeating what Shizuko did was the lack of understanding of what she was doing. Farming is not really straightforward. If your pH is off, your crop can get sick. If you miss the timing for planting, your crop will not produce good yield. If you don't watch the weather, your crop will either die or become stunted. They can do the exact same thing as she did, but the minor differences in weather can totally wreck their harvest.
You may scoff at honour because you live in the modern world, but to the samurai, honour is worth more than their own parents. As such it is not uncommon for samurai to behead their own fathers if their own fathers betray their lord. Honour was their single driving force, more than gold. That's one of the reasons why ronins were looked down on, as without a master, they were without honour and therefore, were no different than stray dogs.
Also, Nobunaga's followers already knew of Shizuko and where she was as shown in the previous chapters. The only reason why they're not attacking her is because Nobunaga personally put her under his care and placed Mori as her direct superior. If anyone has any problem with her, they will contact Mori, not her.
They cannot learn from her because everything she did has been leagues beyond them. In their eyes, what she's doing is witchcraft. It's like an outer space alien bringing down an intergalactic ship down into medieval society. The medieval people won't even know where to start researching it. At least if she is allowed to continue at her own pace, she will teach them as they are now her people. How much cooperation do you think a jailed person would give?
Actually, the muskets were not reverse engineered. Story goes that the first musket was stolen from a marooned Portuguese conquistador and a blacksmith married his daughter to the Portuguese man to learn how to make them. Subsequent muskets were bought from the Portuguese at high price before the Sakai merchants were able to make their own passable designs. At this point, they still have to import gunpowder from the Portuguese. Later in the Sengoku period, the warlords were able to make their own gunpowder, but that's years in the future.
What prevents them from repeating what Shizuko did was the lack of understanding of what she was doing. Farming is not really straightforward. If your pH is off, your crop can get sick. If you miss the timing for planting, your crop will not produce good yield. If you don't watch the weather, your crop will either die or become stunted. They can do the exact same thing as she did, but the minor differences in weather can totally wreck their harvest.
You may scoff at honour because you live in the modern world, but to the samurai, honour is worth more than their own parents. As such it is not uncommon for samurai to behead their own fathers if their own fathers betray their lord. Honour was their single driving force, more than gold. That's one of the reasons why ronins were looked down on, as without a master, they were without honour and therefore, were no different than stray dogs.
Also, Nobunaga's followers already knew of Shizuko and where she was as shown in the previous chapters. The only reason why they're not attacking her is because Nobunaga personally put her under his care and placed Mori as her direct superior. If anyone has any problem with her, they will contact Mori, not her.
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