Senpai ga Uzai Kouhai no Hanashi - Ch. 220

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Natsumi has not been "Stolen away" from Futaba by Yuuto. She's literally, right in this chapter, saying that she is her friend, which is more of a resolution for Natsumi and literally a non change for Futaba who doesn't know that Natsumi ever had a thing for her.

Crazy how falling in love doesn't mean you have to stop interacting with anyone else entirely. People can be friends.
The concept of being stolen away is introduced when Natsumi and Futaba are talking about Takeda being stolen away by someone else because of the lack of romantic progress in their relationship.

Natsumi painting her nails completely yellow and saying that her reason for always being nice to Futaba is primarily because they are friends signifies that she has moved on after years of there being no romantic progress in their relationship because previously her reason for being nice to Futaba was primarily because she was in love with her.

I never said being stolen away meant that Natsumi and Futaba would stop being friends, Natsumi never said that being stolen away would mean that Futaba and Takeda would stop being friends.

You are the only person saying that being stolen away would mean the characters would stop being friends and in trying to point out how confused that I am, you're showing how confused you are.

Natsumi obviously showed that she is finally willing to accept Yuuto's love after she kissed him after he cheered her up after she was upset that Futaba recognized her feelings for Takeda, and removed the green nail polish from her hand, to signify she moved on to Yuuto. It doesn't matter whether Futaba knows that Natsumi's feelings for her have changed and that has no impact on whether or not she has been stolen away.
 
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As for the people who were duped into thinking the unrequited yuri rival subplot will ever go anywhere in a het romance story
ain't no way anyone thought that

That said, I wouldn't call it a yuri rival subplot. She never thought herself competing, and was actually playing shipper-on-deck from the minute she found out Futaba and Takeda were co-workers and that there were the makings of a relationship between them. In fact, her having a childhood crush on Futaba didn't seem like it was initially intended.

Not that I find myself now having any strong feelings about it, either way. I forget if I already mentioned this, but: I can kind of respect its being leveraged for a character development in Natsumi, but it rubbed me the wrong way at first because A) I was slow to the uptake, and B) I was expecting straightforward budding romances from this manga for the longest time before, and I was in fact getting that until this feature started to be focused on. I was thinking, "what's the point of spending all this time on this pre-doomed affection?" because I was entirely thinking in terms of the fruition of the featured intimate relationships and character developments that occurred from such fruitions.

I came to think this is still a type of the aforementioned, but in a slightly less straightforward manner: it's Natsumi's observations of Yuuto's earnestness and selflessness with her in their relationship, that helps her definitively put out this torch she's been carrying in vain as she moves to wholeheartedly support her friend in her romantic endeavor.

...and, possibly, it's supposed to thematically enable her to develop her relationship (whatever that's supposed to be, or will be) with Yuuto in earnest, because now she's matured and can now at least be equals-in-mind with Yuuto (an irony, considering she's several years older than him but this torch carrying stunted her in a way that made her remark that he was more mature than her)? I have the feeling that's what the mangaka is angling towards, but I'm not readily committing to it because-- on top of being unsure if the mangaka intends that-- I'm unsure if the mangaka is that intentional.

Well, that, and both you and (apparently) @enjoyingmanga have markedly better insights about this manga than I do.
 
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"We're friends, aren't we?" :qq:
I mean I'd be happy if Natsumi's really resolved things in her mind like so...
However, I can't help but feel like her focus on gaming with Yuuto in the previous chapter and then changing her nail color, as well as trying to push Futaba into Takeda's arms with her questioning in this one is just a way for her to try and quickly bury her own feelings to passed the point of no return without truly facing them as with a confession.
There are some things that you just can't never come clean on. The time to confess is long gone by now. It'd literally ruin their whole relationship forever. Sometimes it is best to just let it pass in silence. Confessing is not always the best choice.
 
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at this point i only keep following out of a sense of morbid curiosity
"will something happen?" fuck no lmao
 
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are you fucking 6 years old?
it's pretty evident and in-your-face symbolism. JESUS.
okay why are you turning rabid and insulting? bad day?

oh wait! your ID does match your attitude I guess. never mind. :)
 
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  • Natsumi wouldn't accept the confession of a classmate because of her feelings for Futaba.
  • Futaba only saw Natsumi as a friend and didn't care that her love and presence could be stolen away by someone else.
  • Futaba meets Takeda, who gradually grows closer to her through friendly interactions that cause her to fall in love.
  • Natsumi meets Yuuto, who comforts her with friendly interactions that slowly transform into expressions of love.
  • Yuuto helped Natsumi accept Futaba's love for Takeda enabling Natsumi to begin accepting Yuuto's love for her.
It was Futaba's disinterest in becoming closer to Natsumi that allowed her to be stolen away by Yuuto and someone could
easily steal Takeda if Futaba doesn't work hard to become closer to him.
Okay THANK YOU for being civilized and providing an actual intelligent response as opposed to arrogant internet assholes who get off calling other people they don't know names.

BUT. What's the significance with the single green fingernail? Was there some exposition in a previous chapter about it?
EDIT: Never mind. I guess I did miss a few chapters.
 
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"We're friends, aren't we?" :qq:
I mean I'd be happy if Natsumi's really resolved things in her mind like so...
However, I can't help but feel like her focus on gaming with Yuuto in the previous chapter and then changing her nail color, as well as trying to push Futaba into Takeda's arms with her questioning in this one is just a way for her to try and quickly bury her own feelings to passed the point of no return without truly facing them as with a confession.
Confessions aren't always necessary to move on. Ask any weeb out there, including me. It's tragic, yeah, but feelings can just die normally without confessing too.
 
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Natsumi has not been "Stolen away" from Futaba by Yuuto. She's literally, right in this chapter, saying that she is her friend, which is more of a resolution for Natsumi and literally a non change for Futaba who doesn't know that Natsumi ever had a thing for her.

Crazy how falling in love doesn't mean you have to stop interacting with anyone else entirely. People can be friends.
You know what he/she meant. "Stolen" in the context just means romantically. It's also a great interpretation since it mirrors the exact phrase Natsumi said to Futaba as a warning. But I have a slightly different take.

It was Futaba that got stolen away from Natsumi. Natsumi hesitated for too long to reveal her feelings to Futaba.

Several possible interpretations I guess.
 
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To the people saying there's no Yuri...
IT EXIST! In my heart and in the author's FANBOX contents. You just haven't seen it yet.
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Fun fact about this, in almost every yuri pic of Futaba and Natsumi in shiromanta's fanbox Natsumi has long hair, implying that all of them are either flashbacks from high school where Natsumi tricked Futaba into thinking there was nothing weird about what they were doing, or young Natsumi's fantasies about her best friend.

As I recall there are only 1 or 2 Futaba/Natsumi pics where it's the present day office lady versions of them and in those pics Natsumi either has a blank expression or looks coerced into doing it.

That is, unless you want to cope by saying that the pics where Futaba was alone and the other person she's doing it with is completely off screen are also Futaba/Natsumi pics.
 
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Confessions aren't always necessary to move on. Ask any weeb out there, including me. It's tragic, yeah, but feelings can just die normally without confessing too.
There are some things that you just can't never come clean on. The time to confess is long gone by now. It'd literally ruin their whole relationship forever. Sometimes it is best to just let it pass in silence. Confessing is not always the best choice.
Maybe confessing is too strong a word for what I had in mind. Natsumi is the type of character I could see disclosing her remnant feelings for Futaba to her in a passive voice or post hoc manner while they were hanging out just to get it off her chest and then reassure her that they're relationship won't ever change. Alternatively, she could disclose it in confidence to Yuuto who is still in her friend-zone at the moment (also the only character who suspects this chemistry between them from a previous chapter).

She has been in love with her since their school days and now they are in their 20s, so I don't know if she can will those desires away as appears on the surface to have occurred. It just doesn't seem healthy for her to bottle up and sink those feelings without some outlet with which to acknowledge them. Of course maybe I'm just over-analyzing and not giving Yuuto enough credit. :nyoron:
 
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ain't no way anyone thought that

That said, I wouldn't call it a yuri rival subplot. She never thought herself competing, and was actually playing shipper-on-deck from the minute she found out Futaba and Takeda were co-workers and that there were the makings of a relationship between them. In fact, her having a childhood crush on Futaba didn't seem like it was initially intended.

I think there are people who were legitimately mad because the only other option is a shota character and they tried to believe the yuri subplot was going somewhere as a cope for that. They're ignoring the fact that Futaba is a loli character because she's "legal on paper" due to her canon age and decided that it was the more "moral and correct" thing to support than her growing out of her thing with Futaba and maturing together with Yuuto. I can't really blame them, but this is a Japanese author we're talking about so you should've expected how some things would turn out coming in.

And yes, the fact that she was supportive of Futaba and Takeda from the start implies she knows she's only hurting herself and Futaba by proxy if she prioritizes keeping everything the same between them. I think the author also mentioned they didn't originally intend for the plot to go this way but went all in when it was decided. CMIIW, but I think Natsumi's first appearance in the anime had the green nail polish, and her first appearance in the manga didn't.

I came to think this is still a type of the aforementioned, but in a slightly less straightforward manner: it's Natsumi's observations of Yuuto's earnestness and selflessness with her in their relationship, that helps her definitively put out this torch she's been carrying in vain as she moves to wholeheartedly support her friend in her romantic endeavor.

...and, possibly, it's supposed to thematically enable her to develop her relationship (whatever that's supposed to be, or will be) with Yuuto in earnest, because now she's matured and can now at least be equals-in-mind with Yuuto (an irony, considering she's several years older than him but this torch carrying stunted her in a way that made her remark that he was more mature than her)? I have the feeling that's what the mangaka is angling towards, but I'm not readily committing to it because-- on top of being unsure if the mangaka intends that-- I'm unsure if the mangaka is that intentional.

No, I think this was intended by the author. The unrequited feelings on Natsumi's part were obvious, but the fact that she never discloses them and noticing Yuuto's efforts and growing maturity implies she's also suffocated by her feelings for Futaba and wants both Futaba and her to live more freely by letting go of the past. Natsumi cares about Futaba a lot, and she's afraid of creating a toxic codependency between them because as we've seen in the flashbacks, Futaba relied on Natsumi a lot when they were in school and Natsumi was probably the only friend she regularly hung around with.

Natsumi feels like her feelings would put Futaba in a cage if she ever disclosed them and they both would revert to old habits. She was afraid her interactions with Yuuto would also put him in a similar state of arrested development, but with the recent chapters with Yuuto becoming more emotionally understanding, even hinting when she fell asleep in his lap that he actually knows she has complex feelings for Futaba (and still wants to be there for her regardless of how their relationship will develop), she's starting to forgive herself for what she considers are selfish actions.

Although, we still can't really ignore the fact that Yuuto is a high school student, but I think it's intentional by the author to show a contrast between how Natsumi and Yuuto's emotional maturity is the opposite of their physical maturity.

Or maybe the author's just a pervert. What do I know.

Maybe confessing is too strong a word for what I had in mind. Natsumi is the type of character I could see disclosing her remnant feelings for Futaba to her in a passive voice or post hoc manner while they were hanging out just to get it off her chest and then reassure her that they're relationship won't ever change. Alternatively, she could disclose it in confidence to Yuuto who is still in her friend-zone at the moment (also the only character who suspects this chemistry between them from a previous chapter).

She has been in love with her since their school days and now they are in their 20s, so I don't know if she can will those desires away as appears on the surface to have occurred. It just doesn't seem healthy for her to bottle up and sink those feelings without some outlet with which to acknowledge them. Of course maybe I'm just over-analyzing and not giving Yuuto enough credit. :nyoron:

It might be you're not giving Yuuto enough credit, but I think it's more an example of how adulthood means you have to learn to willingly let go of things you can't control. While it's true that she's had these feelings for Futaba for a long time, she's aware of how detrimental it is for both of them if she keeps dwelling on it when Futaba already has her heart set on Takeda. And as shown in the flashbacks, even back then it's clear she didn't exactly have a chance with Futaba to begin with or even want to pursue anything out of their relationship.

Even intense emotions like love, grief, and grudges, can dissipate if you stop giving it power by keeping them in your mind. Adulthood and emotional maturity are big recurring themes in Natsumi's story arc, and I think the author is trying to show that despite being a flirty busty onee-san, her heart and mind never left high school, which she needs to overcome to finally be free and happy.
 
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I think there are people who were legitimately mad because the only other option is a shota character and they tried to believe the yuri subplot was going somewhere as a cope for that. They're ignoring the fact that Futaba is a loli character because she's "legal on paper" due to her canon age and decided that it was the more "moral and correct" thing to support than her growing out of her thing with Futaba and maturing together with Yuuto.
...did they forget about Takeda, too?

Assuming such people exist: I'd get it if they just wanted Natsumi to get closure, without any consideration as to who she "gets with", but wanting her feelings for Futaba to be reciprocated is... goofy, in the greater context.

CMIIW, but I think Natsumi's first appearance in the anime had the green nail polish, and her first appearance in the manga didn't.
Her first appearance in the manga was at a time when the manga wasn't being full colored. Her eyes weren't even colored.

And part of the reason I never really cared about the fingernail symbolism is that its full meaning is regardless determined by details that have to be made more explicit. That is, if she had a green colored fingernail but there was no revelation that she was carrying a torch for Futaba since they were grade schoolers, the best you could say is that she thought it cool or she did it in symbolism of their friendship.

It only has the meaning we now discuss because of the aforementioned revelation. I struggle to register it as a "load-bearing" detail.

Although, we still can't really ignore the fact that Yuuto is a high school student, but I think it's intentional by the author to show a contrast between how Natsumi and Yuuto's emotional maturity is the opposite of their physical maturity.

Or maybe the author's just a pervert.
Maybe both.

...probably both.

Adjacent to your latter conjecture is whether the author intends for an intimate relationship: for those, I'd staunchly argue that the most important factor in depicting functional fictional intimate relationships between an adult and a minor-- apart from demonstrating that the adult isn't predatory, meaning that the adult has to be the passive party-- is demonstrating that the minor is at least as mature as the adult.

That's normally accomplished through making the minor genuinely mature (either intrinsically or through a character arc, often initiated by their attraction to the older party, that sees to this development) and/or making the adult socially stunted. The younger the minor, the more ass the author has to haul to make it palatable.*

Regrettably, this is the first understanding I immediately came to when Natsumi told Yuuto that he was more mature than she was. It took someone else expositing for me to go, "oh, yeah, she is having a character arc right now, isn't she?".

*Unless it's hentai, then there's presumably no considerations that have to be taken.
 
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I think there are people who were legitimately mad because the only other option is a shota character and they tried to believe the yuri subplot was going somewhere as a cope for that. They're ignoring the fact that Futaba is a loli character because she's "legal on paper" due to her canon age and decided that it was the more "moral and correct" thing to support than her growing out of her thing with Futaba and maturing together with Yuuto. I can't really blame them, but this is a Japanese author we're talking about so you should've expected how some things would turn out coming in.

And yes, the fact that she was supportive of Futaba and Takeda from the start implies she knows she's only hurting herself and Futaba by proxy if she prioritizes keeping everything the same between them. I think the author also mentioned they didn't originally intend for the plot to go this way but went all in when it was decided. CMIIW, but I think Natsumi's first appearance in the anime had the green nail polish, and her first appearance in the manga didn't.



No, I think this was intended by the author. The unrequited feelings on Natsumi's part were obvious, but the fact that she never discloses them and noticing Yuuto's efforts and growing maturity implies she's also suffocated by her feelings for Futaba and wants both Futaba and her to live more freely by letting go of the past. Natsumi cares about Futaba a lot, and she's afraid of creating a toxic codependency between them because as we've seen in the flashbacks, Futaba relied on Natsumi a lot when they were in school and Natsumi was probably the only friend she regularly hung around with.

Natsumi feels like her feelings would put Futaba in a cage if she ever disclosed them and they both would revert to old habits. She was afraid her interactions with Yuuto would also put him in a similar state of arrested development, but with the recent chapters with Yuuto becoming more emotionally understanding, even hinting when she fell asleep in his lap that he actually knows she has complex feelings for Futaba (and still wants to be there for her regardless of how their relationship will develop), she's starting to forgive herself for what she considers are selfish actions.

Although, we still can't really ignore the fact that Yuuto is a high school student, but I think it's intentional by the author to show a contrast between how Natsumi and Yuuto's emotional maturity is the opposite of their physical maturity.

Or maybe the author's just a pervert. What do I know.



It might be you're not giving Yuuto enough credit, but I think it's more an example of how adulthood means you have to learn to willingly let go of things you can't control. While it's true that she's had these feelings for Futaba for a long time, she's aware of how detrimental it is for both of them if she keeps dwelling on it when Futaba already has her heart set on Takeda. And as shown in the flashbacks, even back then it's clear she didn't exactly have a chance with Futaba to begin with or even want to pursue anything out of their relationship.

Even intense emotions like love, grief, and grudges, can dissipate if you stop giving it power by keeping them in your mind. Adulthood and emotional maturity are big recurring themes in Natsumi's story arc, and I think the author is trying to show that despite being a flirty busty onee-san, her heart and mind never left high school, which she needs to overcome to finally be free and happy.
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