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Yep. That's a predator's urine alright. LMAO
Sentouin, Hakenshimasu! - Vol. 6 Ch. 29
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that's why you don't left an idiot working with gunpowder xD
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@sharpedgs superman is just a regular isekai since he traveled to another world the closest thing I can think of to a reverse isekai would be someone after spending time in another world returning to their original
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God I love grimm
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its a perfect harem, every girl is best girl. except for rose who cannot be lewded as she is some kind of animal child hybrid
@Wataterp No, it does matter. The word 'world' have various meanings. The genre of 'isekai' was coined with a specific meaning.
As I said, if we use your definition of what 'isekai' is, then Star Wars, Star Trek, Planet of the Apes and tons of other regular sci-fi media would also constitute 'isekai'. More importantly, even a movie about Neil Armstrong getting onto the moon would be considered 'isekai'. None of those are even remotely 'isekai'.
As a 'genre', 'isekai' have a clearer definition. The fact that its literal meaning is 'different world' is irrelevant here. What matters is what is its implied meaning when the 'term' was coined as 'genre'.
Another example is 'souls-like' games. Dark Souls is in no way unique mechanically, special or anything of that sort. It is pure and simple TPP action game with some RPG elements. But the general THEME of 'Dark Souls', the focus on difficult, complex combat, have become so popular that this term became a sub-genre of TPP action games. This is irregardless of the actual meaning of the words "souls" and "like".
As I said, if we use your definition of what 'isekai' is, then Star Wars, Star Trek, Planet of the Apes and tons of other regular sci-fi media would also constitute 'isekai'. More importantly, even a movie about Neil Armstrong getting onto the moon would be considered 'isekai'. None of those are even remotely 'isekai'.
As a 'genre', 'isekai' have a clearer definition. The fact that its literal meaning is 'different world' is irrelevant here. What matters is what is its implied meaning when the 'term' was coined as 'genre'.
Another example is 'souls-like' games. Dark Souls is in no way unique mechanically, special or anything of that sort. It is pure and simple TPP action game with some RPG elements. But the general THEME of 'Dark Souls', the focus on difficult, complex combat, have become so popular that this term became a sub-genre of TPP action games. This is irregardless of the actual meaning of the words "souls" and "like".
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> My rank of girls
1. Tirith
2. Grimm
3. Snow
If MC were not around, these girls are so lovely.
But since this is MC's story, then those girls become a comedy supporting characters and their beauty are wreck by the craziness of MC and their own from time to time...
> He's gone his way to Tirith's room to exercise while breathing her feminine odor.... thats a pervert act.
But, it didnt shock me, because some anime back then years ago has something like this.
They've gone to girls room, and one of the character make his way to the side of cute and very pretty petite girl. What he'd done was to eat a full bowl of rice after breathing of odor on the face which is beyond MC's way of gaining points using Tirith...
1. Tirith
2. Grimm
3. Snow
If MC were not around, these girls are so lovely.
But since this is MC's story, then those girls become a comedy supporting characters and their beauty are wreck by the craziness of MC and their own from time to time...
> He's gone his way to Tirith's room to exercise while breathing her feminine odor.... thats a pervert act.
But, it didnt shock me, because some anime back then years ago has something like this.
They've gone to girls room, and one of the character make his way to the side of cute and very pretty petite girl. What he'd done was to eat a full bowl of rice after breathing of odor on the face which is beyond MC's way of gaining points using Tirith...
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I think you are underestimating Alice a little there...
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Planet of the Apes is not an isekai as it happens on Earth, just in the future, Star wars and Star Trek also are not isekai because they are space type stories and an isekai in that genre would need to go to another dimension as "space" is their original "planet".
For example Digimon is an isekai even though the genre did not exist when Digimon first aired, same for Zero no Tsukaima and Magical Knights of Rayearth and many consider Sword Art Online and .Hack as being isekai even though there is no reincarnation or summon to another world.
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There is nothing that can't be lewded.
I think you are underestimating Alice a little there...
@ kikix12
Planet of the Apes is not an isekai as it happens on Earth, just in the future, Star wars and Star Trek also are not isekai because they are space type stories and an isekai in that genre would need to go to another dimension as "space" is their original "planet".
For example Digimon is an isekai even though the genre did not exist when Digimon first aired, same for Zero no Tsukaima and Magical Knights of Rayearth and many consider Sword Art Online and .Hack as being isekai even though there is no reincarnation or summon to another world.
@Crookshanks
There is nothing that can't be lewded.
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@kikix12 @mahtan Correct in that it needs to be different for it to be 'another world,' a space story would have to find another dimension, a modern one needs to go fantasy, a historical one would need to find an untouched land, but it's always about the character being out of place, completely unused to their new environment. Which is why Superman wouldn't be any kind of isekai, he didn't know Krypton, and we don't start the story with an understanding of his homeworld beyond the name.
@mahtan Um...What?! Ignoring Planet of the Apes...what exactly makes 'space story' different from a 'medieval fantasy story'?!
It's simple. Either 'isekai' is every time a story talks about humans out of Earth (or any other species out of their own native planet and/or dimension), or it's only when a person leaves their own dimension into another one.
You seem to be supporting Wataterp's definition, and yet by his definition Star * are very much 'isekai', because they take humans out of Earth and into many other planets. It's even more of an 'isekai', since there are many OTHER races that leave their own home planets. Some of them very much unwillingly. You cannot just say that the 'home' in this story is Earth and in that story is entire universe (if it was just 'space', Star Wars would still be 'isekai', as planets are NOT part of space, they are IN space, like a rock in water is not a part of that water).
The fact that the genre of 'isekai' was not yet discerned as its own thing back when there were stories that very much fit the bill is irrelevant, and I don't have any idea what you try to achieve by even bringing that up. The term obviously was made after there were stories that fit it. More, after enough stories that fit it were made to give value to elevating it to its own genre. After all, unlike in video games where game genres affect mechanics which are more unique, stories involve merely fiction, and by definition, each story is distinct. Making a 'genre' for two or three stories would make millions of genres by now.
As for Sword Art Online and similar, you said it yourself. Some consider them 'isekai', some do not. But even those that do have more of an argument than in here. The consciousness of said characters is 'locked' in the game, and possibly tied to their life. .Hack (the game) had people trapped in the 'game', as well, in the truer sense of the word. I imagine this theme was also part of the other stories, but I've not read/watched anything other than the first, I believe, game. Even if you ignore THAT, there is still the concept of it being a foreign world of sorts. Just like we say 'real world' and 'digital world', getting 'into' the digital world would still be different than going to another place that you could walk to (if there was a super-walkway between the two planets and you'd have infinite lifespan). A different world governed by different (artificial) laws.
In Sentouin, the character simply teleports to another planet. It's no different from warp-drives/hyper-drives/wormholes/what-have-you in 'space stories'. He can move freely between them at this point even (though he does not want to).
It's simple. Either 'isekai' is every time a story talks about humans out of Earth (or any other species out of their own native planet and/or dimension), or it's only when a person leaves their own dimension into another one.
You seem to be supporting Wataterp's definition, and yet by his definition Star * are very much 'isekai', because they take humans out of Earth and into many other planets. It's even more of an 'isekai', since there are many OTHER races that leave their own home planets. Some of them very much unwillingly. You cannot just say that the 'home' in this story is Earth and in that story is entire universe (if it was just 'space', Star Wars would still be 'isekai', as planets are NOT part of space, they are IN space, like a rock in water is not a part of that water).
The fact that the genre of 'isekai' was not yet discerned as its own thing back when there were stories that very much fit the bill is irrelevant, and I don't have any idea what you try to achieve by even bringing that up. The term obviously was made after there were stories that fit it. More, after enough stories that fit it were made to give value to elevating it to its own genre. After all, unlike in video games where game genres affect mechanics which are more unique, stories involve merely fiction, and by definition, each story is distinct. Making a 'genre' for two or three stories would make millions of genres by now.
As for Sword Art Online and similar, you said it yourself. Some consider them 'isekai', some do not. But even those that do have more of an argument than in here. The consciousness of said characters is 'locked' in the game, and possibly tied to their life. .Hack (the game) had people trapped in the 'game', as well, in the truer sense of the word. I imagine this theme was also part of the other stories, but I've not read/watched anything other than the first, I believe, game. Even if you ignore THAT, there is still the concept of it being a foreign world of sorts. Just like we say 'real world' and 'digital world', getting 'into' the digital world would still be different than going to another place that you could walk to (if there was a super-walkway between the two planets and you'd have infinite lifespan). A different world governed by different (artificial) laws.
In Sentouin, the character simply teleports to another planet. It's no different from warp-drives/hyper-drives/wormholes/what-have-you in 'space stories'. He can move freely between them at this point even (though he does not want to).
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The setting. In a "medieval fantasy story" there will be multiple cities but all in one "world" and in space story there will be multiple planets in one "universe". When comparing one to another the planets in a space story are like the cities in a medieval fantasy story so going from one planet to another would not make a space story an isekai in the same way a medieval fantasy story is not an isekai just because the characters left their initial city for some other.
Star is not an isekai because in both the "humans" started in the setting, that being in a planet where travel to other planets is the norm and not something never heard off as such travelling from a planet to another is no different from going from a city to another and it doesn't change the setting of the narrative by doing it. I would agree that a story where the characters started on Earth and later were send to another planet by some event that they could not have been thought possible before it happened to be an isekai, even if there is no change at all in the dimension or universe, for example the movie "The Martian" is a light-isekai as the character in it gets stuck in another world having to do things that are outside his normal expectative to survive and I just put the "light" in it because through out the movie he still has contact with Earth and is not completely isolated. Another example would be Megas XLR where while the MC is not isekai'd one of his companions, Kiva, is even though she is not from another planet but from a future that is not part of the timeline she is in anymore as they prevent the events that would lead to her future from happening.
No, isekai started to appear as a genre not because more examples of the story started to appear but to denote a increase of stories with "isekai" in their title. That is the point of bringing up examples from before the term "isekai" started being used as it shows how the present usage of "isekai" already is outside the initial intend of the word when the genre started.
The difference of Sentounin to space stories is that the technology to travel to another worlds is not soemthing common, individuals would not think of it being possible before that and the MC still was isolated at the start and had to make a way to connect both world for easy travel between then, in a way it is close to the situation in Digimon where at first the digital world was connected but separated from the real world but with time travel between both worlds became common.
The setting. In a "medieval fantasy story" there will be multiple cities but all in one "world" and in space story there will be multiple planets in one "universe". When comparing one to another the planets in a space story are like the cities in a medieval fantasy story so going from one planet to another would not make a space story an isekai in the same way a medieval fantasy story is not an isekai just because the characters left their initial city for some other.
Star is not an isekai because in both the "humans" started in the setting, that being in a planet where travel to other planets is the norm and not something never heard off as such travelling from a planet to another is no different from going from a city to another and it doesn't change the setting of the narrative by doing it. I would agree that a story where the characters started on Earth and later were send to another planet by some event that they could not have been thought possible before it happened to be an isekai, even if there is no change at all in the dimension or universe, for example the movie "The Martian" is a light-isekai as the character in it gets stuck in another world having to do things that are outside his normal expectative to survive and I just put the "light" in it because through out the movie he still has contact with Earth and is not completely isolated. Another example would be Megas XLR where while the MC is not isekai'd one of his companions, Kiva, is even though she is not from another planet but from a future that is not part of the timeline she is in anymore as they prevent the events that would lead to her future from happening.
No, isekai started to appear as a genre not because more examples of the story started to appear but to denote a increase of stories with "isekai" in their title. That is the point of bringing up examples from before the term "isekai" started being used as it shows how the present usage of "isekai" already is outside the initial intend of the word when the genre started.
The difference of Sentounin to space stories is that the technology to travel to another worlds is not soemthing common, individuals would not think of it being possible before that and the MC still was isolated at the start and had to make a way to connect both world for easy travel between then, in a way it is close to the situation in Digimon where at first the digital world was connected but separated from the real world but with time travel between both worlds became common.
