Separate tags for 'crossdressing' and 'gender bender' :implemented:

[jak]

I agree with monkey123. Keep it as is.

 

[totallynotmike]

I prefer diversification in that case.

Maybe it'll stop morons triggered by "sudden" dick appearances and-or equally "sudden" gender reveals from down voting stuff. Though it begs the question why said morons would be even bothered to read the genre in the first place, it's probably healthier to not inquire about that.

So yeah, bring in gender swaps.

And while we're at it, i would like to see "tensei" added as a counterpart to "isekai" (you may argue about literal and self explanatory meaning of "another world", and that it doesn't matter whether it's protagonist's place of origin or destination, but we all know that it usually comes with it's own set of shitty tropes that sets it apart as a genre).

 

[monkey123]

@mikegnesium
yo mike, want be frienz?

 

[Wolvenworks]

IIRC Gender-Bender tag contains cross-dressing, being turned into another gender, etc. so i don't see any reason to have a separate tag for this. also, who gives a damn about SJWs

and before you criticize me about anything let me tell you something: i'm a feminist. the very worst kind of feminist: one that loves women too much.

 

[Teasday]

_{@Wolvenworks posted:}

IIRC Gender-Bender tag contains cross-dressing, being turned into another gender, etc.

Yes, and that's the entire problem. It's a tenuous mish-mash of vaguely related concepts under a name that doesn't even represent itself correctly.

_{@Wolvenworks posted:}

also, who gives a damn about SJWs

We're essentially talking about the categorization of some fetish mangos, this conversation has fuck-all to do with social justice or political correctness.

 

[totallynotmike]

this conversation has fuck-all to do with social justice or political correctness.

Don't denigrate the nice person, who only wanted to write about themselves.

 

[FredFriendly]

@Teasday

I would've thought it's common sense that the tags should be representative of the work as a whole but I guess that's not as common as I would like to think.

Methinks you're giving too much credit to the public at large. This reminds me of a tag war I had back on batoto where some idiot kept tagging Koi Inu as smut. At the time there had been 120 published chapters with no sex (no panty shots even), but out of over 5,000 total panels there had been four panels of partial nudity. Would this even qualify as ecchi?

@jasty

'Crossdressing' (boys wearing girl clothes) and 'gender bender' (boys transformed into girls)

Your definitions of crossdressing and genderbending are too narrow. There are girls who crossdress as boys (but do not pretend to be male), and there are girls who crossdress as boys and pretend to be male. Should these be sub-categories or sub-genres, as well?

 

[Pokari]

We're essentially talking about the categorization of some fetish mangos, this conversation has fuck-all to do with social justice or political correctness.

Come to think of it, that might actually be one of the reasons why most of the proposed splits would bother me.

"Gender-bender" (as used) is broad enough a term that it has some application outside of fetish tagging (e.g. it also includes manga that are playing with the idea of gender for literary reasons). Indeed, none of the current tags are specifically for searching for fetishes, per se (the handful of existing gender-related ones come close, but that's pretty much unavoidable).

Honestly, being on a site where a lot of the genre tags were about fetishes would leave me feeling a little grungy. I get why they'd be important for the hentai side of the site (which you may be able to infer, I'm not really using), but... Oh, and having the tags makes it a topic of conversation in the comments, too, so it's a bit more complicated to resolve than just averting one's eye from the genre bar.

I realize that such complaints may seem bizarre, or an overreaction, to people coming down more on the "Internet is for Porn" side of the equation. We could talk at length about the illogicality of residual puritan societal values vs. the real or imagined dangers of sexual objectification—but my point was more just to explain how I feel about the matter.

 

[Wolvenworks]

@mikegnesium @Teasday i was joking abt the SJW thing lol

 

[monkey123]

@Wolvenworks
So you love women so much you even go M and let them go S? ?

 

[Wolvenworks]

@monkey123 we're all inherently masochists. especially if you're a gamer that had played grindy games for almost 7 years

 

[Teasday]

_{@Wolvenworks posted:}

i was joking abt the SJW thing lol

Yeah I didn't think you were particularly serious about it but I wanted to give a semi-serious answer anyway

 

[Mangafreak18]

Soo many subcategories

Swap, crossdress manside, crossdress femalside, possessing, futa, 100% genderbend into female, 100% genderbend into male, genderbend homo, genderbend no homo, genderbend with relapse and so on...

Just as OP said, we are just looking for a broader subcategories. Cross dressing vs NOT crossdressing. Because Gender blender tag itself is quite big, if I were to tick only gender blender, I have to go through few hundreds of list with half of them is cross dressing.

 

[Harry_Dong]

How about primary and secondary categories? Like one for main genres (Action, Drama, Romance...etc; all that you would expect of a genre/subgenre), and the second for more specific tags which can be user suggested....something similar to how NovelUpdates does it by having both genres (checkboxes) and tags (text typed). Can't remember if this was already suggested or not though.

 

[ununseti]

@Harry_Dong There was a previous suggestion here: #6045: Separate Genres and community tags

 

[Harry_Dong]

@ununseti
There was a previous suggestion here: #6045: Separate Genres and community tags

Awesome. Looking forward to that in the future.

 

[Chrona]

Sorry if it's rude to bump an older thread like this but this has been tagged as a maybe as what looks like for two months. Has a decision been reached yet concerning whether or not the tags will be differentiated?

 

[Plykiya]

@Chrona Gender bender is going to be nuked for genderswap and crossdressing. No time estimate on when that'll happen.

 

[Chrona]

@Plykiya
Thank you very much for the replay, I really appreciate it. In that case however, would it be correct to move this thread from "maybe" to "planned"?

 

[Plykiya]

Yeah, probably.