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@chanana I appreciate you looking into this and taking the time to write down what you feel! I always like discussions and this manga is rich for them!
For your first part, I already told the person I see where they're coming from and that yes, he was indeed being homophobic in this chapter. Ono is a complicated character and like you says, he puts himself at the center stage like bragging about his sexual encounters. This is because he relishes in the happiness of others and that makes him a social person to get that fuel, as Jun says in Ch.6. Meanwhile, Jun is the opposite and likes to stay in the back without associating with people. Ono and Jun never were friends due to this lacking chemistry, noted by Jun in Ch.2. However, I feel its important to draw a line from what he actually believes in and him using his sexuality as a weapon. I'M NOT SAYING ITS RIGHT, PLEASE NOTE. I'm just saying that since Jun used it as a weapon first, he turned it around and fought harder. He shouldn't have done that as there was other ways he could've handled the situation. But he did this because kids always find the easiest and quickest way to hurt somebody, and HARD. So while he was acting homophobic here, its not known what he truly thinks deep down yet. Ono did want Jun to explain himself, from his sexuality and cheating, in Ch.6 after all. But...as always, Jun attacked him verbally. Hence the end card I wrote and mentioning Mr. Fahrenheit's words. (P.S. They don't know Jun cheated on him with a man. Miura says that in this chapter.)
For the second part, I kinda got that after reaching the first conclusion, but there is a bit more to it I found as well. Translating this series I knew that something was up for Jun. He was always so cold and then when he met with those that KNEW him, he was happy and joyous despite it not being healthy. Being homophobic himself can describe a lot of these situations I now see. I also noticed a fun fact—Jun never uses homo in front of those he knows are gay. Instead, he uses it around people that don't. ESPECIALLY to address himself since it's even present in his internal dialogue. I didn't think this was significant so chapter 1 is actually wrongly translated. He and Miura never used the word gay, nor did her friend's boyfriend. It was all "Homo". It seems he tries to respect his fellow homosexual probably because he knows they can get hurt, but doesn't feel comfortable in his own skin to give the same treatment to himself on a everyday basis. He wants his sexuality to be erased, after all. He finds himself disgusting, and without anyone to teach him otherwise as you mention, he treats himself with little respect.
As for the last, I have to say you're wrong to a certain extent. Sure, he might be somewhat scared about coming out of the closet, but that's not his main motive. More to come on this in future chapters but you could already see a bit in Ch. 1 when he escapes Ryouhei's...detailed recount of Ono's sexual experience, and at the end of the chapter when he wonders how Miura would "feel" if she knew he was a homosexual. As in, would she be troubled? Would she be accepting? Is this a burden onto her? I thought the language implied that and I tried to do the same when translating. The whole "Zero friction" plays a big role in this, too. It's why he now actively plays the "antagonist" first introduced to him in Ch.2.
Once again, thanks for this! A lot of what you wrote is actually what I was trying to say/believe in, though 😁
For your first part, I already told the person I see where they're coming from and that yes, he was indeed being homophobic in this chapter. Ono is a complicated character and like you says, he puts himself at the center stage like bragging about his sexual encounters. This is because he relishes in the happiness of others and that makes him a social person to get that fuel, as Jun says in Ch.6. Meanwhile, Jun is the opposite and likes to stay in the back without associating with people. Ono and Jun never were friends due to this lacking chemistry, noted by Jun in Ch.2. However, I feel its important to draw a line from what he actually believes in and him using his sexuality as a weapon. I'M NOT SAYING ITS RIGHT, PLEASE NOTE. I'm just saying that since Jun used it as a weapon first, he turned it around and fought harder. He shouldn't have done that as there was other ways he could've handled the situation. But he did this because kids always find the easiest and quickest way to hurt somebody, and HARD. So while he was acting homophobic here, its not known what he truly thinks deep down yet. Ono did want Jun to explain himself, from his sexuality and cheating, in Ch.6 after all. But...as always, Jun attacked him verbally. Hence the end card I wrote and mentioning Mr. Fahrenheit's words. (P.S. They don't know Jun cheated on him with a man. Miura says that in this chapter.)
For the second part, I kinda got that after reaching the first conclusion, but there is a bit more to it I found as well. Translating this series I knew that something was up for Jun. He was always so cold and then when he met with those that KNEW him, he was happy and joyous despite it not being healthy. Being homophobic himself can describe a lot of these situations I now see. I also noticed a fun fact—Jun never uses homo in front of those he knows are gay. Instead, he uses it around people that don't. ESPECIALLY to address himself since it's even present in his internal dialogue. I didn't think this was significant so chapter 1 is actually wrongly translated. He and Miura never used the word gay, nor did her friend's boyfriend. It was all "Homo". It seems he tries to respect his fellow homosexual probably because he knows they can get hurt, but doesn't feel comfortable in his own skin to give the same treatment to himself on a everyday basis. He wants his sexuality to be erased, after all. He finds himself disgusting, and without anyone to teach him otherwise as you mention, he treats himself with little respect.
As for the last, I have to say you're wrong to a certain extent. Sure, he might be somewhat scared about coming out of the closet, but that's not his main motive. More to come on this in future chapters but you could already see a bit in Ch. 1 when he escapes Ryouhei's...detailed recount of Ono's sexual experience, and at the end of the chapter when he wonders how Miura would "feel" if she knew he was a homosexual. As in, would she be troubled? Would she be accepting? Is this a burden onto her? I thought the language implied that and I tried to do the same when translating. The whole "Zero friction" plays a big role in this, too. It's why he now actively plays the "antagonist" first introduced to him in Ch.2.
Once again, thanks for this! A lot of what you wrote is actually what I was trying to say/believe in, though 😁
