Shitai Katsugi no Nemu - Ch. 11

[bradboy102]

I'm usually down to explore and even appreciate highly flawed characters in these comment sections. I couldn't care less about moral signalling or intent of a writing as long as it's well-written and interesting. That being said, even I think that was the dumbest, most awfully written garbage I've come across in a while.

She's too shy and perhaps incredibly autistic, leading to her freezing up in social situations, sure. Why can she talk to the bear? How did she end up with a husband? How did they make a baby? If she cares so much about these people, she clearly wasn't forced into any of this. That's a huge contradiction before you even dig into any of the rest of it!

So strange coming from a manga that usually explores its themes quite well.

 

[CountryMage]

tid bits that maybe the mother had tried somewhere, at least some hints here and there that she actually tried to connect but no

We did get tidbits, like the picture book she wrote for her daughter, that taught her the Bear's language.

 

[Pen3]

So she chose the bear and NTR her human race?

 

[MagnaDrake]

to echo the sentiments of everyone else, this chapter aint it.

it works well in series dealing with different forms of lose, but i really hate a neglectful parent who, only upon their death, reveal they really did love their child. feels like such cruel manipulation right at the end

Honestly I personally don't mind that part. It happens in real life. Sometimes parents are just so up in their butts and think they know what a child wants and needs.

My primary issue in this is that the daughter forgives the mother SO EASILY. Just one look at a diary full of unsaid words and, poof, all is well and forgiven. Now THAT'S fiction.

 

[7goat]

Honestly I personally don't mind that part. It happens in real life. Sometimes parents are just so up in their butts and think they know what a child wants and needs.

My primary issue in this is that the daughter forgives the mother SO EASILY. Just one look at a diary full of unsaid words and, poof, all is well and forgiven. Now THAT'S fiction.

Well, she never did say she forgave her mother, so you could view her crying from the diary out of frustration and grief over what could have been if the mother wasn't such a dumbass, and her visiting her mother's grave as an excuse to bone befriend the rizzly bear.

 

[Kagimizu]

Honestly I personally don't mind that part. It happens in real life. Sometimes parents are just so up in their butts and think they know what a child wants and needs.

My primary issue in this is that the daughter forgives the mother SO EASILY. Just one look at a diary full of unsaid words and, poof, all is well and forgiven. Now THAT'S fiction.

I dunno if it's forgiveness or understanding. And either way... her mother's dead. What would be the point of hanging on to the resentment? To let it fester and cling? Moreover, the daughter was never truly resentful, but instead indifferent. Or... resigned, I suppose. She thought her mother didn't care at all, when in fact the mother did care... she just couldn't convey it properly.

I do feel like not getting any POV or words from the father was a mistake, for sure. Especially what with him being an afterthought to the point of his wife not being buried beside him. But given he's implied to have been dead for several years since then, I suppose it makes sense.

I think there's supposed to be a sense of tragedy to this chapter that escapes most of us, or at least didn't land as intended. The mother loved her daughter but clearly felt unqualified to fill the role in a traditional capacity. Especially after discovering that her daughter is "like her." We get a vague hint the mother had a terrible childhood due to her implied autism, and was frightened for her daughter. In tandem with making a terrifying impression whenever she was panicking- which implies her "anger" at her daughter breaking something was instead panic for her wellbeing- she latched on to the idea of "understanding."

Specifically, that by researching the bear, his peoples' language and culture, and the surrounding area, she could bring about a better understanding of the bear-peoples' species. An understanding through which these bears and humans could connect. A connection and understanding she could provide to her daughter, who- like her- is implied to be autistic and unable to connect with other human beings in a traditional capacity. But that inability to connect in a traditional capacity extended to mother and daughter as well; the daughter had no idea the mother cared, and the mother is implied to have thought her daughter's resigned apathy was standard childhood things.

By the time the mother had finished her research she seems to have realized her mistake, believing her daughter was making her own way in the world. So she did the only thing she thought she could do at that point: publish her research, provide funds for her daughter, and live out the remainder of her days among the people she had been able to forge a connection with.

 

[Lamasis]

Man, this chapter feels like Brans dying scene in FFIX, where they had to change it for us in the west because otherwise it would have ended like this comment section. And yeah, bad mother.

 

[farranpoison]

Yeah nope. The mom was a shitter. You don't choose to have a kid then just fucking abandon them.

Kids are a RESPONSIBILITY that YOU CHOSE TO HAVE. Fucking hell.

 

[77BLc9JwJGpLVARkamJx]

lmao what the fuck. Autistic bear fucker wife and mom.

 

[feignedremoteness]

I think this chapter could have been fixed, but it might have needed more pages that it just didn’t have the space for.
kids can still resent “good” parents who leave them alone for a long time or aren’t there for them. the mother could have been nicer to her child but struggled to relate in clearer ways (like trying to give her developmentally inappropriate science equipment and then giving up when that didn’t work). the important part of the story is that she’s not there for large chunks of her life and is obviously “forcing herself” when she is there, not that she’s also harsh all the time.
it would still hurt the daughter to have the mom keep choosing work over her and be obviously happy to go back into the field after only a couple weeks at home. she could have smiled at her once or twice and the story would still work

the story could also have been done with an older grandma scientist character and a granddaughter with a mother who passed away before the grandma did. then the stories would be more second-hand, and the granddaughter would be trying to do right by both of their memories but still struggling to reconcile the different viewpoints, wondering which one was the “real” grandmother, having never really met her in person. I think that would be the better take for this manga, since it would focus it more on memories and what we “owe” to the dead. like “does the granddaughter have to hate her dead grandma on her dead mom’s behalf?”

 

[fight2live]

Brother Bear

 

[beThereShortly]

Fuck man. This is so good.

 

[AyEmPiEm]

Women really do choose the bear, huh?

 

[master-34]

Irina from trails of cold steel, is a worst mother then the mother in this manga chapter and the story also try's to act like she is a good mother. After the death of her husband Irina hired the woman that was hired to kill her husband to be a maid for her daughter after that Irina then stared to be dismissive of her daughter. And Irina betrayed her own father to take over her father company to start selling weapons of mass destruction. Irina also insults her own daughter in front of her friends multiple times. And the games still try's to make Irina out like she is a good mother.

 

[friendly]

I'm glad this one wound up the way it did.... and I do like this chapter. To me, its not about sympathizing with the mother. She was terrible at this. She knew she was terrible at this. She only knew how to do one thing, and it's all she could do.

What I like is seeing the daughter come to know the difficult person who was her mother, and how he felt, and being able to make a connection that seems like it'll be a lot more nurturing.

And that's fine by me. Lifes for the living. The dead just leave a body. And this ones fine where it is.


Also theres like x1000000000 Difficult Aloof Father Workaholic stories we can get one where it's a mom whos shitty at this lmao.

 

[Kurovah]

I'm glad this one wound up the way it did.... and I do like this chapter. To me, its not about sympathizing with the mother. She was terrible at this. She knew she was terrible at this. She only knew how to do one thing, and it's all she could do.

What I like is seeing the daughter come to know the difficult person who was her mother, and how he felt, and being able to make a connection that seems like it'll be a lot more nurturing.

And that's fine by me. Lifes for the living. The dead just leave a body. And this ones fine where it is.


Also theres like x1000000000 Difficult Aloof Father Workaholic stories we can get one where it's a mom whos shitty at this lmao.

You say "we can get one" but I'm 100% there are also thousands of aloof mother stories, especially in the stories where the MC is in a noble household

 

[Zthulu]

Hold on — there’s something off. If the mom was so attentive of the child and could write all these things about the child, how could she also have sequestered herself in her study and never interacted with her child? Either the memory of the kid is wrong, or that book is full of assumptions, hypotheticals, and unfounded claims based on glances. There’s no way you can know that much about your child if you’re not with the child for a long time; there’s so much to learn about your kids when you spend time with them. Endless little nuances, likes and dislikes that you can’t get if you rely on your spouse to do ALL of the parenting work.
Yikes. Weird chapter.