Shokei Sareta Kenja wa Lich ni Tensei Shite Shinryaku-sensou o Hajimeru - Vol. 16 Ch. 63 - For the sake of those I must protect

[shadowhunter100]

You guys commenting about the guy choosing death being a "cop-out" are IMO, being highly unsympathetic and lacking empathy.

I'll applaud the steel knight for his mental fortitude to having maintained his sanity and care/compassion for his family. But it is very likely the guy has lost his sense of taste, smell, and sense of touch (and likely pain).
It's certainly commendable (IMO) for him to keep going for family after what he went through, but the moment the demon lord promised his family will be taken care of and protected under said demon lord's watch, what need is there for the steel knight to keep going? From a force standpoint, anything the steel knight can do, the demon lord (and Blakin) can do.

Bringing a dead person back to have them protect their family is sorta questionable IMO, unless said person is the best and only option. But at some point, a person's gotta rest after going through the hell known as reality multiple times.
I agree with Dwight here, I may not have wanted the steel knight to choose death but I would have respected his decision.
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Of course, if anyone cares about why or needs something to help their thinking, please watch the classic first Robocop movie from the 1980s and reconsider the perspective of "being human" after being reconstructed into a machine after death/injury.

 

[Amplify]

So it's just bad writing then. Figures. I've given too much credit for the reason i guess.

Your complete inability to understand the purpose of something, does not mean that it is badly written. Work on your reading comprehension, or go read w1987g's comment from page 1.

 

[goodhunter]

I think this was an EXTREMELY weak argument they're trying to bring up when it comes to "humanity." The fact that he was asked whether or not he believed he was human, and that he himself asked that to unimportant fodder scientist dude showed that he clearly felt that he lost his humanity, and that the only reason he kept going was because of his family. However, he never once fucking bothered to even ask his family what they thought, which I'm pretty fucking sure they'd say they wouldn't give a shit about how he's more golem parts than human parts, that as long as he's alive and able to be with them, that's all that matters. Dude made the most selfish decision because he thought he wasn't human enough in his own mind, and didn't take into account at all about what his family would think. Extremely short sighted. Anyone arguing that he wouldn't have a place in his home is absolutely insane and probably lived extremely estranged from their own family and has no real loved ones around them. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth, not just because he could have lived with his family, but that it wasn't even a hard decision to make honestly. This was a fucking no brainer question, and it's absolutely stupid how it panned out. Very dumb story decision.

 

[goodhunter]

You guys commenting about the guy choosing death being a "cop-out" are IMO, being highly unsympathetic and lacking empathy.

I'll applaud the steel knight for his mental fortitude to having maintained his sanity and care/compassion for his family. But it is very likely the guy has lost his sense of taste, smell, and sense of touch (and likely pain).
It's certainly commendable (IMO) for him to keep going for family after what he went through, but the moment the demon lord promised his family will be taken care of and protected under said demon lord's watch, what need is there for the steel knight to keep going? From a force standpoint, anything the steel knight can do, the demon lord (and Blakin) can do.

Bringing a dead person back to have them protect their family is sorta questionable IMO, unless said person is the best and only option. But at some point, a person's gotta rest after going through the hell known as reality multiple times.
I agree with Dwight here, I may not have wanted the steel knight to choose death but I would have respected his decision.
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Of course, if anyone cares about why or needs something to help their thinking, please watch the classic first Robocop movie from the 1980s and reconsider the perspective of "being human" after being reconstructed into a machine after death/injury.

You're literally making huge assumptions that he can't feel, taste, smell, etc. Dude still has an entire mouth that's intact and everything, why wouldn't he have his taste? He has a fully intact nose as well. I can see his sense of touch being possibly gone at least in the golem areas on his body. I don't know about you, but if that was me I'd 100% live, if not for myself but at least for the sake of my family. If he's able to go to such lengths of fighting and becoming basically a cyborg, how is he unable to at least then live for the sake of his family? Dude still has his will intact, all his memories intact, that alone makes him 100% different from robocop's situation. Robocop had his free will taken from him, and even when he did regain his free will, it was a constant fight for him to retain that free will against the cybernetic programming. This dude has none of those issues, and furthermore still has more of his body left than robocop ever did.

 

[Neutralside]

I agree with this. It's extremely unlikely that he has been home for his wife and daughter to see him, only receiving money (and maybe letters) in his name from all the war and battle he's been through. He definitely knows that they wouldn't want to see him as he is now, not to mention that he himself likely doesn't consider himself "human" anymore and thus unfit to return to regular life as one.

Ignoring the philosophical mumbo jumbo aside. People would actually want their father with him regardless of his condition lol. Its why I don't buy this at all. Seems selfish personally to me and dare I say it what a coward. Its never too late to bond with a family.

 

[ilusatus]

He realize he already not a human and should be dead long ago, he achieve his goal to save his family, he can die in peace.

 

[shadowhunter100]

You're literally making huge assumptions that he can't feel, taste, smell, etc. Dude still has an entire mouth that's intact and everything, why wouldn't he have his taste? He has a fully intact nose as well. I can see his sense of touch being possibly gone at least in the golem areas on his body. I don't know about you, but if that was me I'd 100% live, if not for myself but at least for the sake of my family. If he's able to go to such lengths of fighting and becoming basically a cyborg, how is he unable to at least then live for the sake of his family? Dude still has his will intact, all his memories intact, that alone makes him 100% different from robocop's situation. Robocop had his free will taken from him, and even when he did regain his free will, it was a constant fight for him to retain that free will against the cybernetic programming. This dude has none of those issues, and furthermore still has more of his body left than robocop ever did.

Of course it's an assumption... from my opinion based on what I read and what I felt as a reader. Most comments seems to ignore the details of the steel knight. Dwight mentioned he won't pretend to understand what led the steel knight making his decision. But it's safe to say steel knight likely suffered quite a numerous devastating traumas, if not multiple deaths and being "revived" from his own recollections by John Doe (however brief the author has made that to be).

I've already stated that:

"But at some point, a person's gotta rest after going through the hell known as reality multiple times.
I agree with Dwight here, I may not have wanted the steel knight to choose death but I would have respected his decision."

Perhaps you can try losing a few limbs, maybe replace a few organs with machinery all the while getting operated on by some psychotic John Doe to serve some dubious agenda with no end in sight. I have my doubts a normal person would could continue to be that tough. Steel knight was likely holding out until his family's safety can be guaranteed, which was done so by Dwight. And now that you raised a "free will" topic, I think some careful reading will reveal the knight never had that "Free will". John Doe dictated what the steel knight could do and when he could die (hello preprogrammed self-destruction).
You might as well respect the character's decision to rest in peace. If that is "weak" to you, then I hope you're never in a position of authority because you'd only make life miserable for "weak" people.
But sure if you want to nit-pick whatever suits your own agenda and ignore the character's experience and decision because you gotta be a holier-than-thou internet tough guy... well good for you. /shrug

Edit: Grammar and word in the first paragraph.

 

[Asaroki]

not deserving of life just because he is a cripple? that is rejecting any attempt at acceptance outright.

If a guy who was turned into a cyborg in order to fight in wars so his family can live a peaceful life wants to pass away without them seeing what he's turned into, it's his choice. In universe, Dwight could have stopped him and said no to his decision for the exactly same reasons but chose not to because that'd ruin his autonomy (which he probably lost a lot of due to the mechanization of his body)