Shoukoku no Altair - Vol. 26 Ch. 148 - Enemies of the General Nation

[MangaDex]

 

[alacaelum]

He got them good.

Knew this was too obvious for Zaganos to not have foreseen, he has been taken by surprise before, but in those times it was because he was read during his attacks, but this... this is child's play.

In the end... maybe Zaganos really does plan to take power, he is smart enough to know that there will be resistance, but it is clear that both nations and the coalition as a whole do need a more centralized command structure.

Turkiye's old way is a good one, it left space for the movement of talent and good discussion between involved, but it could take too much time, Balt-Rhein's way left a lot to be desired in organization but it was "centralized".

If Zaganos takes the best parts and mixes them well, he can create a good new command structure, it will hold? Well, nothing is perfect, but this new situation demands a new solution.

Last chapter we did see that things are getting better, villages that were practically abandoned have now a new lease on life and much better conditions.

Zaganos' actions are causing some hurt, but new nations always have growing pains but at this point... i have to give it to him, the guy has shown to know what he wants, needs, and what to do.

 

[talas]

Is this how the real Ottoman Empire started?

 

[Grimmycoffee]

How will Mahmut maneuvers out of this one

 

[norctune]

Is this how the real Ottoman Empire started?

I don't think there were any major Turkish states that were republican and transitioned to monarchy. I think the author probably plans to do something like the transition of the Roman republic into the Roman republic(monarchy with republican facade).

 

[Grimmycoffee]

The Imperial rebels probably should've just either surrender or run away at that point. Even if they beat Davud Pasha, they still need to either conquer the castle or flee with little to no gain.

 

[skylithos]

He got them good.

Knew this was too obvious for Zaganos to not have foreseen, he has been taken by surprise before, but in those times it was because he was read during his attacks, but this... this is child's play.

In the end... maybe Zaganos really does plan to take power, he is smart enough to know that there will be resistance, but it is clear that both nations and the coalition as a whole do need a more centralized command structure.

Turkiye's old way is a good one, it left space for the movement of talent and good discussion between involved, but it could take too much time, Balt-Rhein's way left a lot to be desired in organization but it was "centralized".

If Zaganos takes the best parts and mixes them well, he can create a good new command structure, it will hold? Well, nothing is perfect, but this new situation demands a new solution.

Last chapter we did see that things are getting better, villages that were practically abandoned have now a new lease on life and much better conditions.

Zaganos' actions are causing some hurt, but new nations always have growing pains but at this point... i have to give it to him, the guy has shown to know what he wants, needs, and what to do.

Something I've noticed during the past several chapters is that those who think of themselves of Halil faction or his friends are all drifting apart from Turkiye whereas his adopted child and the one whom inherited his vision the most are trying their best for Turkiye. It actually makes me wonder how different things would be if Halil were to still be alive, would he worked hard for new Turkiye to maintain peace or would he left because it doesn't fit his value.

 

[sssr]

I don't think there were any major Turkish states that were republican and transitioned to monarchy. I think the author probably plans to do something like the transition of the Roman republic into the Roman republic(monarchy with republican facade).

The Turkiye Stratocracy is not a republic. It's a federation of nomadic tribes where the tribal chieftains (the pashas) decide the path of the nation by consensus, but concentrating power in the hands of a chief pasha. This was actually how the Seljuk Empire originally worked. The Seljuk Empire was also a stratocracy which elected a Great Seljuk from the royal line. However, the individual tribes and Seljuk princes were give full leeway to split off and conquer new lands. One of these princes founded the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum by conquering most of the Eastern Roman Empire (hence the name).

The Osmanids were originally a subordinate clan under the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum. As the Sultanate declined, the Osmanids gained power in the stratocracy and managed to form a coalition that reunited a lot of the old Seljuk vassals. The historical Osman himself was basically just a chief pasha in a stratocracy. However, by the third generation the clan had managed to centralize power enough to become Sultans and this started their rise into the Ottoman Empire. The stratocracy structure had already disappeared by this time, and many of the original members of the Ottoman stratocracy had left for greener pastures as they rejected the centralization of Ottoman power. That's why the Ottomans then started recruiting members of the Greek Christian and Persian nobility living in the areas under their control. So yes, the Ottomans did go through a similar phase, but they did so over five generations (consolidated after Mehmed I wiped out his brothers and reestablished the Sultanate), and all before the conquest of Constantinople. In this story basically the Seljuks are transitioning straight into the Ottomans in one generation BECAUSE they conquered botb Constantinople and Vienna.

 

[norctune]

The Turkiye Stratocracy is not a republic. It's a federation of nomadic tribes where the tribal chieftains (the pashas) decide the path of the nation by consensus, but concentrating power in the hands of a chief pasha. This was actually how the Seljuk Empire originally worked. The Seljuk Empire was also a stratocracy which elected a Great Seljuk from the royal line. However, the individual tribes and Seljuk princes were give full leeway to split off and conquer new lands. One of these princes founded the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum by conquering most of the Eastern Roman Empire (hence the name).

The Osmanids were originally a subordinate clan under the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum. As the Sultanate declined, the Osmanids gained power in the stratocracy and managed to form a coalition that reunited a lot of the old Seljuk vassals. The historical Osman himself was basically just a chief pasha in a stratocracy. However, by the third generation the clan had managed to centralize power enough to become Sultans and this started their rise into the Ottoman Empire. The stratocracy structure had already disappeared by this time, and many of the original members of the Ottoman stratocracy had left for greener pastures as they rejected the centralization of Ottoman power. That's why the Ottomans then started recruiting members of the Greek Christian and Persian nobility living in the areas under their control. So yes, the Ottomans did go through a similar phase, but they did so over five generations (consolidated after Mehmed I wiped out his brothers and reestablished the Sultanate), and all before the conquest of Constantinople. In this story basically the Seljuks are transitioning straight into the Ottomans in one generation BECAUSE they conquered botb Constantinople and Vienna.

Honestly, I kinda forgot the Seljuks existed. The house of Osman really overshadowed them.